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Post by Pugsley on Apr 19, 2016 10:51:42 GMT
Pulis hoofball got us into the box more often than not. Hughes' passing it square tactics get us fucking nowhere. Bar more points and higher league positions. Carry on. |
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Post by cozmick on Apr 19, 2016 10:54:35 GMT
Pulis hoofball got us into the box more often than not. Hughes' passing it square tactics get us fucking nowhere. Yet somehow Hughes' passing it square tactics consistently get us more points than under the Pulis era? Will we compare squad players from each manager? The results aren't down to the players, its Hughes' lack of changing it up when plan A goes tits up. He has no plan B. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 19, 2016 10:55:46 GMT
Just raises a lot of questions in my mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 10:56:54 GMT
Yet somehow Hughes' passing it square tactics consistently get us more points than under the Pulis era? Will we compare squad players from each manager? The results aren't down to the players, its Hughes' lack of changing it up when plan A goes tits up. Of course we can compare squads. Pulis had plenty of time and money to spend on his squad so why did his tactics not merit the same return as the last 2.5 years? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 19, 2016 10:58:22 GMT
Just raises a lot of questions in my mind. Such as? Are we talking personnel? |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 19, 2016 11:02:30 GMT
Just raises a lot of questions in my mind. Such as? Are we talking personnel? Well yes. Why can't Joselu seemingly get a break in the team? Where does this leave Diouf? If Bojan is still seen as a striker by Sparky, does that mean Joselu and Diouf have no futures? For me, Joselu hasn't done much wrong and yet can't seemingly get a break in the team. Why? |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 19, 2016 11:03:31 GMT
Yet somehow Hughes' passing it square tactics consistently get us more points than under the Pulis era? Will we compare squad players from each manager? The results aren't down to the players, its Hughes' lack of changing it up when plan A goes tits up. He has no plan B. Would you like to compare the best part of £40million spent on forwards by the ex-manager and the funds spent by the current manager on forwards? |
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Post by cozmick on Apr 19, 2016 11:05:12 GMT
Will we compare squad players from each manager? The results aren't down to the players, its Hughes' lack of changing it up when plan A goes tits up. Of course we can compare squads. Pulis had plenty of time and money to spend on his squad so why did his tactics not merit the same return as the last 2.5 years? Pulis spent big on average players. It was the only way to attract anyone to come to little ol' stoke. Hughes had an established premier league side playing fancy football. Of course he could attract bigger and better for less. However.... The honeymoon period is over. Other clubs see right through us now, we're a one trick pony. No balls, no bottle and a complete lack of a plan B. I have never seen a team performance like that in the prem at home under pulis l. Away from home is another matter. Clubs expected us to park the bus and got caught out. Thats not gonna last long unfortunately, they're already getting wise to it. |
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Post by foster on Apr 19, 2016 11:06:54 GMT
Yet somehow Hughes' passing it square tactics consistently get us more points than under the Pulis era? Will we compare squad players from each manager? The results aren't down to the players, its Hughes' lack of changing it up when plan A goes tits up. He has no plan B. Yeah because Tone had a plan B didn't he! Short memories and all that jazz. |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 19, 2016 11:07:24 GMT
Of course we can compare squads. Pulis had plenty of time and money to spend on his squad so why did his tactics not merit the same return as the last 2.5 years? Pulis spent big on average players. It was the only way to attract anyone to come to little ol' stoke. Hughes had an established premier league side playing fancy football. Of course he could attract bigger and better for less. However.... The honeymoon period is over. Other clubs see right through us now, we're a one trick pony. No balls, no bottle and a complete lack of a plan B. I have never seen a team performance like that at home under pulis the entire time he was here.Away from home is another matter. Clubs expected us to park the bus and got caught out. Thats not gonna last long unfortunately, they're already getting wise to it. You didn't go to the games then. |
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Post by yellowfang on Apr 19, 2016 11:07:40 GMT
I'm sorry, guys, but tonight we were shambolic. We had no shape, no attack, no defence and no idea. Wollsheid was poor, Afellay passed backwards more in one game than N'Zonzi ďid in his Stoke City appearances combined and we were clueless going forward. I was as anti-Pulis as anyone apart from Pugsley and Jarhead, but this was abysmal. We have gone backwards this season, and only the lack of quality in the Premier League has enabled us to finish mid table. We have had a few brilliant performances, but we have avoided several dickings due to Butland and good luck. I expect to be shot down, but I was fucking embarrassed tonight. I noticed on the screen last night a "Murder Mystery Night" at the Britannia next month...........I would take the Mrs along if the victim was going to be M Hughes, but then again with over 20,000 suspects it could be a very long night!  under Hughes we are next seasons Villa, get rid at the end of the season, he couldn't motivate a starving man to eat a wrights pie and listening to him stumble and bumble his way through post match interviews is embarrassing!   |
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Post by cozmick on Apr 19, 2016 11:10:05 GMT
Pulis spent big on average players. It was the only way to attract anyone to come to little ol' stoke. Hughes had an established premier league side playing fancy football. Of course he could attract bigger and better for less. However.... The honeymoon period is over. Other clubs see right through us now, we're a one trick pony. No balls, no bottle and a complete lack of a plan B. I have never seen a team performance like that at home under pulis the entire time he was here.Away from home is another matter. Clubs expected us to park the bus and got caught out. Thats not gonna last long unfortunately, they're already getting wise to it. You didn't go to the games then. I didn't need to. I had a better view from my arm chair. Teams were scared of us under pulis. (@home). Can you say the same about Hughes? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 19, 2016 11:12:06 GMT
Such as? Are we talking personnel? Well yes. Why can't Joselu seemingly get a break in the team? Where does this leave Diouf? If Bojan is still seen as a striker by Sparky, does that mean Joselu and Diouf have no futures? For me, Joselu hasn't done much wrong and yet can't seemingly get a break in the team. Why? I completely agree. It's baffling. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 11:13:17 GMT
You didn't go to the games then. I didn't need to. I had a better view from my arm chair. Teams were scared of us under pulis. (@home). Can you say the same about Hughes? I remember Man Utd and Chelsea both being shit scared as they used to rock up season after season and go home with the 3 points..... |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 19, 2016 11:15:37 GMT
Will we compare squad players from each manager? The results aren't down to the players, its Hughes' lack of changing it up when plan A goes tits up. He has no plan B. Yeah because Tone had a plan B didn't he! Short memories and all that jazz. He did, unfortunately it was identical to his Plan A. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 19, 2016 11:32:18 GMT
I didn't need to. I had a better view from my arm chair. Teams were scared of us under pulis. (@home). Can you say the same about Hughes? I remember Man Utd and Chelsea both being shit scared as they used to rock up season after season and go home with the 3 points..... Lol, cozmick is on the piss. Chelsea weren't shit scared at all, after we beat them twice in the space of about 2 weeks. Man Utd weren't either, as we took them apart time and time again.... funny  |
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Post by trigger on Apr 19, 2016 17:48:23 GMT
I hadn't got the foggiest where Affellay was playing last night or his role in the team, fckiung shambolic team display and we made them look far better than they were, I mean how Alli found himself unmarked on the edge/in our box time after time was embarrassing.
Pathetic management.
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Post by milky on Apr 19, 2016 17:54:21 GMT
The same names with their same agendas are back posting I see.
Top stuff.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2016 18:19:50 GMT
Of course we can compare squads. Pulis had plenty of time and money to spend on his squad so why did his tactics not merit the same return as the last 2.5 years? Pulis spent big on average players. It was the only way to attract anyone to come to little ol' stoke. Hughes had an established premier league side playing fancy football. Of course he could attract bigger and better for less. However.... The honeymoon period is over. Other clubs see right through us now, we're a one trick pony. No balls, no bottle and a complete lack of a plan B. I have never seen a team performance like that in the prem at home under pulis l. Away from home is another matter. Clubs expected us to park the bus and got caught out. Thats not gonna last long unfortunately, they're already getting wise to it. Utter bollocks. We were established after two seasons in the league and signing established internationals and 'names'. Don't make out like the previous manager didn't have a choice about how to play or that this manager had it easy with the team he inherited. |
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Post by milky on Apr 19, 2016 18:33:21 GMT
Of course we can compare squads. Pulis had plenty of time and money to spend on his squad so why did his tactics not merit the same return as the last 2.5 years? Pulis spent big on average players. It was the only way to attract anyone to come to little ol' stoke. Hughes had an established premier league side playing fancy football. Of course he could attract bigger and better for less. However.... The honeymoon period is over. Other clubs see right through us now, we're a one trick pony. No balls, no bottle and a complete lack of a plan B. I have never seen a team performance like that in the prem at home under pulis l. Away from home is another matter. Clubs expected us to park the bus and got caught out. Thats not gonna last long unfortunately, they're already getting wise to it. Man Utd at home in his last season around April ? When he put up the white flag and let his mate Fergie walk away with 3 points without even attempting to score a goal. .even though we were hovering dangerously close to the bottom 3 having won once since boxing day. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Apr 19, 2016 18:55:56 GMT
Spurs were awesome and they rightly have their eye on the title (though I think they're too late), but that's no excuse for yet another shameful capitulation from us.
Terrible, terrible, terrible.
Awesome squad, awesome players, awesome manager, shite performances. Not really sure what's going on.
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Post by Scrotnig on Apr 19, 2016 19:01:52 GMT
Funny you should say that...I live in Leicester these days and was discussing things with a Leicester fan I know here, I remarked that Stoke City sometimes feels to me like we are only a couple of bad performances away from completely losing it and 'doing a Villa', or for those old enough, 'repeating the holocaust season'. Some of our performances this season have been truly embarrassing, and whilst I accept we've also had some that are truly stunning, it is certainly food for thought. A bad start to next season will not look good and could blow confidence for the whole season. I honestly believe we came close to this scenario this season with our terrible start but we managed to turn it round. However we have arguably slumped back to that starting form in the latter stages of the season and on current form I am unsure how we will string any wins together next year. Something has to change. I have faith that Hughes can change it but he first needs to recognise that things are quite badly amiss somewhere and I'm not sure he does. |
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Post by capto on Apr 19, 2016 19:10:20 GMT
Surely it's pointless comparing the new manager with the old manager?
The point is the here and now - and the shambles that the team is in? Are we in transisition and on the way up - or have we lost our way and in decline?
I can't see that our style of play offers any threat at the moment - people can quote number of points, highest place etc - but that's this season ; next season? Will we carry on like we are at the moment - or is something going to happen that we will start to play like a TEAM - capitals on purpose because I'm not seeing any evidence of that over the last few months.
I expect a profession attitude from the players and I have not seen that for several months ( unforced errors; no attacking threat; not supporting each other when in possession; doing there talking off the pitch and not on it; lack of nous - not going down to get advantages : free kicks, yellow cards for the opposition, like they do to us; not getting in the referees face , like other teams do; being outfought especially by pulis teams; too much tippy tappy not going anywhere ).
Hughes position is in the balance - at the mo, it's on the ebb, but if he can come back stronger, then great for him, us and stoke - if not, then bye bye - the decision whatever it is has to be in the best interests of our club.
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Post by milky on Apr 19, 2016 19:19:24 GMT
I'm sorry, guys, but tonight we were shambolic. We had no shape, no attack, no defence and no idea. Wollsheid was poor, Afellay passed backwards more in one game than N'Zonzi ďid in his Stoke City appearances combined and we were clueless going forward. I was as anti-Pulis as anyone apart from Pugsley and Jarhead, but this was abysmal. We have gone backwards this season, and only the lack of quality in the Premier League has enabled us to finish mid table. We have had a few brilliant performances, but we have avoided several dickings due to Butland and good luck. I expect to be shot down, but I was fucking embarrassed tonight. I noticed on the screen last night a "Murder Mystery Night" at the Britannia next month...........I would take the Mrs along if the victim was going to be M Hughes, but then again with over 20,000 suspects it could be a very long night! under Hughes we are next seasons Villa, get rid at the end of the season, he couldn't motivate a starving man to eat a wrights pie and listening to him stumble and bumble his way through post match interviews is embarrassing! What's strange though is a manager who "hasn't a fucking clue " and is "tactically inept "is still on course to deliver a third consecutive top 10 finish...something the previous manager couldn't do in five. It seems to some supporters managing expectations ceased to exist after May 2013. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Apr 19, 2016 19:25:43 GMT
What's strange though is a manager who "hasn't a fucking clue " and is "tactically inept "is still on course to deliver a third consecutive top 10 finish... He's neither of those things and I am very firmly pro-Hughes. But, it's not unreasonable to proffer that things are slowly starting to go very wrong. I don't think he has long next season to sort it out, if we start with two months of losses and the odd draw like we've been having recently, then I think his time will come to an abrupt end. We need to start next season with a series of wins and keep it going. 'The team is still gelling' isn't going to work as an excuse once the relegation trapdoor starts to creak open. |
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Post by milky on Apr 19, 2016 19:33:06 GMT
What's strange though is a manager who "hasn't a fucking clue " and is "tactically inept "is still on course to deliver a third consecutive top 10 finish... He's neither of those things and I am very firmly pro-Hughes. But, it's not unreasonable to proffer that things are slowly starting to go very wrong. I don't think he has long next season to sort it out, if we start with two months of losses and the odd draw like we've been having recently, then I think his time will come to an abrupt end. We need to start next season with a series of wins and keep it going. 'The team is still gelling' isn't going to work as an excuse once the relegation trapdoor starts to creak open. In fairness after about an hour of the Swansea game everything in the garden was looking reasonably rosy.We were sitting in 7th place in real time for gods sake .so its two and half games at best. Coates has proved he isn't that trigger happy ...or he'd have got rid of Tone around the Villa home defeat time when we were hurtling towards the bottom 3. I do agree with you that he needs a decent start this time though to stop fans turning on him. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Apr 19, 2016 19:39:01 GMT
In fairness after about an hour of the Swansea game everything in the garden was looking reasonably rosy.We were sitting in 7th place in real time for gods sake .so its two and half games at best. Coates has proved he isn't that trigger happy ...or he'd have got rid of Tone around the Villa home defeat time when we were hurtling towards the bottom 3. I do agree with you that he needs a decent start this time though to stop fans turning on him. I have to say, I do think we've had a good season, but you're only as good as your last game and for several months now, pretty much since Christmas, that for us has been 'bloody awful'. Recently there have been a lot of stats extrapolating Leicester's post-Christmas results across a whole season. Would be interesting to see how we'd fair if you did the same for us. Second bottom after Villa, I suspect. |
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 19, 2016 19:40:15 GMT
Pulis spent big on average players. It was the only way to attract anyone to come to little ol' stoke. Hughes had an established premier league side playing fancy football. Of course he could attract bigger and better for less. However.... The honeymoon period is over. Other clubs see right through us now, we're a one trick pony. No balls, no bottle and a complete lack of a plan B. I have never seen a team performance like that at home under pulis the entire time he was here.Away from home is another matter. Clubs expected us to park the bus and got caught out. Thats not gonna last long unfortunately, they're already getting wise to it. You didn't go to the games then. Cozmick never goes to games, all his amazing thoughts come from sitting in his armchair... Cozmick is also a bellend. |
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Post by butlerstbob on Apr 19, 2016 19:41:25 GMT
Of course we can compare squads. Pulis had plenty of time and money to spend on his squad so why did his tactics not merit the same return as the last 2.5 years? Pulis spent big on average players. It was the only way to attract anyone to come to little ol' stoke. Hughes had an established premier league side playing fancy football. Of course he could attract bigger and better for less. However.... The honeymoon period is over. Other clubs see right through us now, we're a one trick pony. No balls, no bottle and a complete lack of a plan B. I have never seen a team performance like that in the prem at home under pulis l. Away from home is another matter. Clubs expected us to park the bus and got caught out. Thats not gonna last long unfortunately, they're already getting wise to it. What complete and utter bullshit! |
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 19, 2016 19:43:59 GMT
What's strange though is a manager who "hasn't a fucking clue " and is "tactically inept "is still on course to deliver a third consecutive top 10 finish...something the previous manager couldn't do in five. It seems to some supporters managing expectations ceased to exist after May 2013. Don't spoil the Hughes out bullshit with something so silly as cold hard facts  |
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