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Post by kevkj on Apr 11, 2016 8:00:47 GMT
Affelay has had a very good season for us but one thing is for sure he can only play the Bojan position.
A barca fan also told me this saying he is not physical enough to play the defensive role and lacks speed and dynamism to play wide.
Him or Bojan it seems for that position
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 8:05:51 GMT
Forgive me if I'm way off, but Ibi's best play has been as an AM, within the false-9 formation.
Fitting him to most other formations alongside Bo offers all sorts of headaches. A shame as Ibi has done so well for us for most of the season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2016 8:23:25 GMT
I think for next season he will be a fantastic option from the bench.
He can come on and keep the ball whilst we're 2-0 up and he'll still start a lot of games too.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 11, 2016 8:24:39 GMT
No conundrum for me.
He was poor yesterday but since coming into the side regularly, he's arguably been our best and most consistent performer.
He plays well in midfield and he's had good games in wide positions. He had a stinker yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 8:29:22 GMT
One thing we need to consider, and it's a stat that emerged over the weekend, is that he is already 10 odd games over what he normally plays in a season, in the hustle and bustle of the Premier League.
You always go with the medics and Sport Science people but surely it's getting to the stage where he needs a rest.
Don't know what others think on this but to me it looks like he's suddenly hit the wall.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2016 8:30:35 GMT
No conundrum for me. He was poor yesterday but since coming into the side regularly, he's arguably been our best and most consistent performer. He plays well in midfield and he's had good games in wide positions. He had a stinker yesterday. Since coming into the side though we've been dull as dishwater, slow, pedestrian, not that much of a threat (especially at home) etc etc etc.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 11, 2016 8:31:51 GMT
Those 2 internationals have buggered him up. He played poorly in the second half v swansea too.
Needs a rest.
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Post by roostershair on Apr 11, 2016 8:38:03 GMT
No conundrum for me. He was poor yesterday but since coming into the side regularly, he's arguably been our best and most consistent performer. He plays well in midfield and he's had good games in wide positions. He had a stinker yesterday. Since coming into the side though we've been dull as dishwater, slow, pedestrian, not that much of a threat (especially at home) etc etc etc. Are you on medication?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2016 8:41:51 GMT
Since coming into the side though we've been dull as dishwater, slow, pedestrian, not that much of a threat (especially at home) etc etc etc. Are you on medication? Nope, we've been all of that and like I said, especially at home. The difference between when Bojan plays there and Afellay does is like night and day. He's a bits and pieces player who can keep the ball and keeps it ticking over without causing the opposition harm. I prefer him deeper (where Imbula plays) but I prefer Imbula. I think he'd be a better defensive midfielder than Geoff though.....
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Post by liamo on Apr 11, 2016 9:03:20 GMT
We're in a position where we've got good players vying for the same position in some areas and absolutely no cover for other positions, Arnie or Shaq out injured? Square peg in round holes, Afellay wanted nothing to do with that left wing and it's not his fault
We're in a position now where in the summer we could end up needing an Arnie replacement, cover for the Arnie replacement and cover for Shaqiri amongst others, Hughes' tactics have varied due to being forced by injury or just inconsistency, what works one game completely fails the next
Our best games this season came when we used the false no.9 and it's the only way to have Afellay and Bojan on the pitch at the same time now we've got Imbula but the false 9 only works if Shaq and Arnie are fit and on the pitch at the same time which is a rarity
Injuries and inconsistency have cost us the best chance at Europe we've had since being promoted and it's annoying
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 11, 2016 9:07:16 GMT
Don't believe this.....he's been excellent since breaking into the side earlier in the season, has one poor game yesterday (okay, it was a stinker, I'll give you that) and people are now making an issue of him!!!
Yet should he play an absolute blinder against Spurs, the same people will come on and say things along the lines of... "He should be the first name on the team sheet...." Or words to that effect anyhow!!!
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Post by wuzza on Apr 11, 2016 9:30:02 GMT
I struggle with Affeley's role in the side - to my eyes he is the proverbial luxury player. Very nice when other players have got a grip on the game for us but just a fringe commodity when the going is a bit tougher. Given a fully fit squad I really wouldn't see him as one of the starting eleven. (Having said that he has generally performed well this season as an individual)
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 11, 2016 9:35:07 GMT
It's unfair to link the home form with Afellay being in the team. We were doing the same thing long before he arrived.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2016 9:40:43 GMT
It's unfair to link the home form with Afellay being in the team. We were doing the same thing long before he arrived. He's part of the problem though (which people fail to realise) and when Bojan does play instead we are far more dynamic in general.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 11, 2016 9:51:20 GMT
It's unfair to link the home form with Afellay being in the team. We were doing the same thing long before he arrived. He's part of the problem though (which people fail to realise) and when Bojan does play instead we are far more dynamic in general. If you're going to play them both them you have to false 9 it. Bojan as it stands is the first name on the team sheet.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 11, 2016 10:22:24 GMT
I think it was a mistake having lost whelan to take him out of the centre yesterday espacially away fron home , he is a much better all round player than Bojan who does nothing to help the team defensively and he would have improved a woeful midfield effort , he could even have played alongside Imbula a lot better than Geoff "I want to stroll about in midfield " Cameron
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 10:29:03 GMT
Ibi was poor yday, but he looked fucking knackered.
Tbf to him, apart from yesterday, he's looked much better on the wing lately than he was near the start of the season.
Good cover I suppose. Near-essential as a AM in the false-9 formation.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 11, 2016 10:38:09 GMT
No conundrum for me. He was poor yesterday but since coming into the side regularly, he's arguably been our best and most consistent performer. He plays well in midfield and he's had good games in wide positions. He had a stinker yesterday. Since coming into the side though we've been dull as dishwater, slow, pedestrian, not that much of a threat (especially at home) etc etc etc. Im actually with Bayern on this one. Affelay looks very good on the ball and retaining possession, but hes not creating or scoring enough chances when he plays in the AM position for me. Its not like he never makes a cross or through ball but its not as regular as Bojan. Bojan can drift out of the game a lot more than Affelay but when he gets on the ball in the Final 3rd its much more likely that something will happen. I reckon our Chances Created per minutes stats with Affelay in the AM position is much worse. He has probably played too much this season, but it was fair enough when Bojan was so out of form
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Post by cozmick on Apr 11, 2016 11:15:20 GMT
His positioning was all wrong the entire game yesterday.
Would have subbed him at half time. Was pissing me right off.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 11, 2016 11:41:26 GMT
No conundrum for me. He was poor yesterday but since coming into the side regularly, he's arguably been our best and most consistent performer. He plays well in midfield and he's had good games in wide positions. He had a stinker yesterday. Since coming into the side though we've been dull as dishwater, slow, pedestrian, not that much of a threat (especially at home) etc etc etc. I'm not sure you can level that exclusively at Affelay's door. The lack of movement from the front man and the lack of pace from wide are the biggest factors in our SOMETIMES pedestrian approach, particularly at home. We don't have players who stretch the pitch sadly and that isn't a job that Affelay is tasked with doing. Affelay, for me, looks to be positive, to pass the ball quickly and interchange in position, but the rest of the team, particularly with wide men that usually always cut inside, don't really present the options for him to be more dynamic. It is very harsh to lay the teams perceived problems at Affelay's door given that he's been amongst our better performers in what ultimately has been a very inconsistent season in terms of actual performance. In terms of results, the season is remarkably consistent with previous years. We are currently tracking 2 points ahead of last season, with a worse goal difference and a draw at home to Spurs would see us on the exact same number of points from the same fixture set as last season. That is remarkable consistency in its own right.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 11, 2016 11:45:15 GMT
Nope, we've been all of that and like I said, especially at home. The difference between when Bojan plays there and Afellay does is like night and day. He's a bits and pieces player who can keep the ball and keeps it ticking over without causing the opposition harm. I prefer him deeper (where Imbula plays) but I prefer Imbula. I think he'd be a better defensive midfielder than Geoff though..... Don't agree with this, but I can see where you're coming from.
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 11, 2016 13:19:32 GMT
Afellay and Bojan are both central attacking midfielders - it is one or the other in the team. The problem is if Arnie or Shaq are injured, and Walters too, we have chuff all other wingers and Afellay has to go out wide and "do a job". This does not make the best use of his talents, nor does it help our wide play.
We need at least one new winger in the summer.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 11, 2016 13:38:47 GMT
Afellay and Bojan are both central attacking midfielders - it is one or the other in the team. The problem is if Arnie or Shaq are injured, and Walters too, we have chuff all other wingers and Afellay has to go out wide and "do a job". This does not make the best use of his talents, nor does it help our wide play. We need at least one new winger in the summer. A new winger isn't going to make Afellay's life any easier though mate. I guess he's an Imbula replacement/option and a Bojan alternative. Whether that would represent enough game time for him is questionable. If Bojan finds his feet again then you'd think Aff would be mostly on the bench.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 11, 2016 14:21:52 GMT
The solution to me seems to be to alternate between Affelay and Bojan to keep both fresh and raring to go.
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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 11, 2016 14:24:34 GMT
He is a very very good player but there are only so many shaquiri bojan affellay type players you can have in a team. The bottom line is affellay is good enough to play for Stoke but he needs a cynical midfield enforcer along side him not shaquiri and bojan. I think affellay would be brilliant along side a johnny eustace type player.. Maybe it's time we signed one?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 11, 2016 14:44:03 GMT
He is a very very good player but there are only so many shaquiri bojan affellay type players you can have in a team. The bottom line is affellay is good enough to play for Stoke but he needs a cynical midfield enforcer along side him not shaquiri and bojan. I think affellay would be brilliant along side a johnny eustace type player.. Maybe it's time we signed one? You've already bought Micah Richards. Where are you getting all of this money from?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 11, 2016 15:55:19 GMT
No conundrum for me. He was poor yesterday but since coming into the side regularly, he's arguably been our best and most consistent performer. He plays well in midfield and he's had good games in wide positions. He had a stinker yesterday. Since coming into the side though we've been dull as dishwater, slow, pedestrian, not that much of a threat (especially at home) etc etc etc. I'm not sure you can hang that on one player , we are dull when we spend too much time passing sideways and backwards very slowly and have been whenever the team does it . I think he is one of the beter options that we have
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2016 16:11:55 GMT
Since coming into the side though we've been dull as dishwater, slow, pedestrian, not that much of a threat (especially at home) etc etc etc. I'm not sure you can hang that on one player , we are dull when we spend too much time passing sideways and backwards very slowly and have been whenever the team does it . I think he is one of the beter options that we have I'm not but he's been a part of it and imo nowhere near player of the season for this reason.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 11, 2016 16:15:43 GMT
Nope, we've been all of that and like I said, especially at home. The difference between when Bojan plays there and Afellay does is like night and day. He's a bits and pieces player who can keep the ball and keeps it ticking over without causing the opposition harm. I prefer him deeper (where Imbula plays) but I prefer Imbula. I think he'd be a better defensive midfielder than Geoff though..... Do you still think Bojan is shit?
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 11, 2016 16:22:54 GMT
Problem is we're not singing his song to encourage him!
To the tune of the Radetzky March:
Affelay Affelay Affelay scores goals Affelay Affelay Affelay scores goals Affelay scores goals Aaaaaaffelay scores goals for stoke
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