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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 29, 2016 22:08:44 GMT
Well, I went to the game and just back at my hotel. My observations: 1. What a crap atmosphere.....give me the Brit any day. 2. There are even more fans at England matches that know next to fuck all about football if that is possible.....couple of right knobs sat in front thinking they were an authority on the game. 3. Stones is shit. 4. Stones is shit. 5. Milner is shit. 6. Woy is clueless....all we did was go backwards and sideways. 7. Affelay was ace.....one misplaced pass all night. 8. Not sure I'll be going to another England game anytime soon. Goodnight. PS....9. Stones is shit.
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Post by futch on Mar 29, 2016 22:08:55 GMT
Well, I went to the game and just back at my hotel. My observations: 1. What a crap atmosphere.....give me the Brit any day. 2. There are even more fans at England matches that know next to fuck all about football if that is possible.....couple of right knobs sat in front thinking they were an authority on the game. 3. Stones is shit. 4. Stones is shit. 5. Milner is shit. 6. Woy is clueless....all we did was go backwards and sideways. 7. Affelay was ace.....one misplaced pass all night. 8. Not sure I'll be going to another England game anytime soon. Goodnight. PS....9. Stones is shit. I was there too mate. Totally agree with all that. Absolutely fucking toss. Like watching paint dry. England home games are always like that. I don't know why I bother.
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Post by Davef on Mar 29, 2016 22:11:23 GMT
Well, I went to the game and just back at my hotel. My observations: 1. What a crap atmosphere.....give me the Brit any day. 2. There are even more fans at England matches that know next to fuck all about football if that is possible.....couple of right knobs sat in front thinking they were an authority on the game. 3. Stones is shit. 4. Stones is shit. 5. Milner is shit. 6. Woy is clueless....all we did was go backwards and sideways. 7. Affelay was ace.....one misplaced pass all night. 8. Not sure I'll be going to another England game anytime soon. Goodnight. PS....9. Stones is shit. 7. Depay should have reached that pass.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 29, 2016 22:13:33 GMT
Plus point. Affelay came off in one piece after a productive canter. Apart from Jack let's hope we're all good for Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 22:24:40 GMT
I just don't understand the blue sleeves with red socks you and I both mate, shocking Any idea who looks at these kits and goes, hmm, looks great...let them wear it the european championships...clowns
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 29, 2016 22:39:03 GMT
you and I both mate, shockingg Any idea who looks at these kits and goes, hmm, looks great...let them wear it the european championships...clowns It will only be on show for 3 games anyway.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 29, 2016 22:55:13 GMT
don't need him, we managed to put 4 past Stones and Jagielka with what we already have Hodgson must really be insane if he thinks Jagielka and Stones are even an adequate centre back pairing. Even that swivel eyed loon Martinez has given up on them but not our Roy. And add in to that a soupcon of Kyle 'fucking wank' Walker (for that really is his middle name) and the result is disastrously predictable. Cahill is as shit at defending as Stones but a much better footballer so we might as well go with him as he wont quite give the ball away as much as Stones. It is unbelievable where this youth's reputation has come from. He is fucking gash. Over here on Fox Sports Network Warren Barton was highly critical of Stones indicating he needs to cut that fiddling about in the box if he's to be a serious International defender.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 29, 2016 22:57:43 GMT
Couldn't be arsed to watch this tonight like many others my passion for England has subsided ever since Woy was appointed and the treatment of Shawcross by the senile old fart. I have a mate who's a season ticket holder at Everton and he's hoping and praying that someone's daft enough to pay Mega bucks for Stones;he said from the word go that Stones is a defensive liability and very overrated. Only downside to that is that he would then like Everton to take Shawcross off us Your mate's deluded on both fronts. After today's performance in the International scene Stones's value just plummeted and there's no way Shawcross would jump to either set of bin dippers.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 29, 2016 22:58:31 GMT
England have problems at the back.
Only Smalling looks the part, but anyone who thinks Shawcross is the answer is deluded. He is no better then what is available.
The reality is there are few other options available to the manager. He is right to try to nurture Stones because he has got talent and is young, but there is some way to go for him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 23:01:17 GMT
England have problems at the back. Only Smalling looks the part, but anyone who thinks Shawcross is the answer is deluded. He is no better then what is available. The reality is there are few other options available to the manager. He is right to try to nurture Stones because he has got talent and is young, but there is some way to go for him. Whether he's the answer or not he's far better than Jagileka
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 29, 2016 23:04:30 GMT
England have problems at the back. Only Smalling looks the part, but anyone who thinks Shawcross is the answer is deluded. He is no better then what is available. The reality is there are few other options available to the manager. He is right to try to nurture Stones because he has got talent and is young, but there is some way to go for him. Whether he's the answer or not he's far better than Jagileka I agree that Jagielka is poor, his game seems to have regressed. We desperately need an experienced head at the back......there is no-one
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Mar 29, 2016 23:16:38 GMT
Ok call me deluded
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Mar 29, 2016 23:43:18 GMT
I think that Shawcross is the answer... As part of a flexible defensive set up.
To counter teams that play along the floor through the middle then Smalling could work with Cahill who may edge Shawcross.
For teams that play high and wide including quick counter then Smalling would be better suited with Shawcross, especially with players like Gomez/Costa...
Neither Jagielka nor Stones are suitable.... Even Dann would fit better.
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Post by damagedswan on Mar 30, 2016 0:57:17 GMT
surprised, but also not surprised as we are all both england AND stoke fans, about the amount of anxiety about the euros shown about that performance tonight. we were playing a lot of second-string players (there is surely no way that milner-drinkwater-barkley is a midfield three we're going to see at the euros, and sturridge is not currently international-standard match-fit), and missing arguably our three best players from the germany game (alli, kane, welbeck). we didn't play well at all but were still more or less better than them imo. they scored because of a fuck-up from stones, a player that i'm pretty sure is not going to be in the starting xi, and quite simply an extremely obvious foul...
our defence is the weakest link in the team obviously, but that was obvious from the germany game, they were shit. germany should have scored 3! more importantly over the two games there were a lot of decent individual performances (drinkwater tonight for example), and one extremely good team attacking performance, which i simply haven't seen england do for years. today's run-out doesn't invalidate what happened against germany at all given the team that played.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Mar 30, 2016 2:53:17 GMT
surprised, but also not surprised as we are all both england AND stoke fans, about the amount of anxiety about the euros shown about that performance tonight. we were playing a lot of second-string players (there is surely no way that milner-drinkwater-barkley is a midfield three we're going to see at the euros, and sturridge is not currently international-standard match-fit), and missing arguably our three best players from the germany game (alli, kane, welbeck). we didn't play well at all but were still more or less better than them imo. they scored because of a fuck-up from stones, a player that i'm pretty sure is not going to be in the starting xi, and quite simply an extremely obvious foul... our defence is the weakest link in the team obviously, but that was obvious from the germany game, they were shit. germany should have scored 3! more importantly over the two games there were a lot of decent individual performances (drinkwater tonight for example), and one extremely good team attacking performance, which i simply haven't seen england do for years. today's run-out doesn't invalidate what happened against germany at all given the team that played. Ahem. I'll give you the stoke fan, but I'm definitely not an (and) England fan
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 30, 2016 6:14:38 GMT
Phew - that defeat burst the euphoria bubble that appeared after the Germany game. Now let the team approach the tournament with expectations suitably low and let's see if our young guns can play some good football. A wave of media hype has hopefully been avoided.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 30, 2016 6:16:29 GMT
Plus point. Affelay came off in one piece after a productive canter. Apart from Jack let's hope we're all good for Saturday. I thought he looked class last night. Made me a little proud that he wears a Stoke shirt on a Saturday.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Mar 30, 2016 6:24:10 GMT
England have problems at the back. Only Smalling looks the part, but anyone who thinks Shawcross is the answer is deluded. He is no better then what is available. The reality is there are few other options available to the manager. He is right to try to nurture Stones because he has got talent and is young, but there is some way to go for him. 'Answer' or not.. Better than Jagielka? Check. Better than Cahill? Check. Better than Jones? Check. Better than Stones? Check.. By a fucking mile.
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Post by AlliG on Mar 30, 2016 7:13:23 GMT
Plus point. Affelay came off in one piece after a productive canter. Apart from Jack let's hope we're all good for Saturday. Despite Dele Alli going right through the back of him on the halfway touchline 3 minutes into injury time.
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Post by fca47 on Mar 30, 2016 7:48:06 GMT
It is funny that Shawcross gets binned after one bad game, but Stones habitually is a defensive disaster , but gets forgiven every time. He can't defend because he thinks he is the next Beckebbauer, but without the ability. He will never learn.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 30, 2016 7:55:08 GMT
Watched the second half. Really aren't interested in England anymore but wanted to see how our boy Ibby was doing.
I thought he did well. Comfortably better than his peers in midfield (Depay is seriously Fucking shit) and better than those in England's. His composure and ability on the ball is superb. It's a shame we won't see him at the Euros.
As for England, I just laugh nowadays. The stark reality is that Woy is tactically inept. The Germany result was an exception and partly due to their experimentation. The mass media wank off was hilarious. I knew Holland were going to win. I had a tenner ready to put on Holland days ago. They dominated large parts of the second half and while we had flurries in their box, they were cutting us open at will. We had a few decent half chances while they had several good ones.
Tbh I enjoyed listening to hoddle and that idiot tyldsley blubbing. It was very Arsenal-esque. Blame this, blame that, blame the referee. The penalty was cast iron, how the fuck they came to the conclusion it wasn't I'll never know. That's also ignoring the stonewaller they had turned down in the first half. Their second goal wasn't a foul either. Jagielka was weak and quite evidently unaware of the Dutch player behind him. Nothing wrong with either goal for me.
I've got to the point where I feel nothing for England anymore. Yeah I'll watch them in the pub when we go out in the group stages or on penalties in the first knock out stage, but the reality is, I can't support a team and management that fails to learn from it's own mistakes. This isn't me saying Shawcross this, Shawcross that. This is me saying Stones is nowhere near good enough. Smalling fine, good player, but Stones once again proved why he's not good enough and why he's not even playing for Everton at the moment.
Will Woy learn? Course he fucking won't.
So get my hopes up for England? No thanks
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Post by fca47 on Mar 30, 2016 7:59:19 GMT
I disagree about the second Dutch goal, you can shoulder charge, but I definitely think he charged him in the back. Don't disagree with the rest.
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Post by djh on Mar 30, 2016 8:03:02 GMT
Well, I went to the game and just back at my hotel. My observations: 1. What a crap atmosphere.....give me the Brit any day. 2. There are even more fans at England matches that know next to fuck all about football if that is possible.....couple of right knobs sat in front thinking they were an authority on the game. 3. Stones is shit. 4. Stones is shit. 5. Milner is shit. 6. Woy is clueless....all we did was go backwards and sideways. 7. Affelay was ace.....one misplaced pass all night. 8. Not sure I'll be going to another England game anytime soon. Goodnight. PS....9. Stones is shit. Were the twats mentioned in point 2 wearing their half and half scarves and foam England hands?
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Post by metalhead on Mar 30, 2016 8:07:52 GMT
I disagree about the second Dutch goal, you can shoulder charge, but I definitely think he charged him in the back. Don't disagree with the rest. Jagielka held all the aces yet still fucked up. For me, he clearly didn't know the player was there which is why he went down easily. It was a fair charge imo, Jagielka has to anticipate that it's coming and use his experience to his advantage. Vardy was shoving players like that all the time I was watching. Part of the game.
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 30, 2016 8:16:41 GMT
I disagree about the second Dutch goal, you can shoulder charge, but I definitely think he charged him in the back. Don't disagree with the rest. Jagielka held all the aces yet still fucked up. For me, he clearly didn't know the player was there which is why he went down easily. It was a fair charge imo, Jagielka has to anticipate that it's coming and use his experience to his advantage. Vardy was shoving players like that all the time I was watching. Part of the game. A fair challenge? If that happened to a Stoke defender we'd be on the pitch trying to strangle the referee. It was a poor England display but a draw would have been a fair result- Holland are no good either. I'm still hopeful that we'll have a good tournament. With a full-strength side (i.e no Milner) then our attacking options are as good as anyone else's. Where we'll come up short is the defence, but a bad team wouldn't come back from 0-2 down to win in Germany regardless.
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Post by Bowyer83 on Mar 30, 2016 8:33:22 GMT
Jagielka held all the aces yet still fucked up. For me, he clearly didn't know the player was there which is why he went down easily. It was a fair charge imo, Jagielka has to anticipate that it's coming and use his experience to his advantage. Vardy was shoving players like that all the time I was watching. Part of the game. A fair challenge? If that happened to a Stoke defender we'd be on the pitch trying to strangle the referee. It was a poor England display but a draw would have been a fair result- Holland are no good either. I'm still hopeful that we'll have a good tournament. With a full-strength side (i.e no Milner) then our attacking options are as good as anyone else's. Where we'll come up short is the defence, but a bad team wouldn't come back from 0-2 down to win in Germany regardless. I agree in regards to the attacking options, going forward lots of depth and different options. I think we have a good team but Hodgson will bottle in the Euros and use Milner, Rooney and possibly Wilshere. The young lads such as Ali and Dier will be benched which to me is criminal after the superb season they have had.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Mar 30, 2016 8:49:58 GMT
Not surprised by that result at all. Hodgson picking players who have been out injured half the season or bench sitting are playing for England? Sturridge,Walcott,Stones , Jagielka to name a few and Llana who is just shit.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 30, 2016 8:57:44 GMT
Jagielka held all the aces yet still fucked up. For me, he clearly didn't know the player was there which is why he went down easily. It was a fair charge imo, Jagielka has to anticipate that it's coming and use his experience to his advantage. Vardy was shoving players like that all the time I was watching. Part of the game. A fair challenge? If that happened to a Stoke defender we'd be on the pitch trying to strangle the referee. It was a poor England display but a draw would have been a fair result- Holland are no good either. I'm still hopeful that we'll have a good tournament. With a full-strength side (i.e no Milner) then our attacking options are as good as anyone else's. Where we'll come up short is the defence, but a bad team wouldn't come back from 0-2 down to win in Germany regardless. Oh come off it TDog. He didn't choke slam him into the ground, Jagielka has to be smarter there. Holland are poor (one or two exceptions aside) and that's precisely my point.... and you're somehow confident that England are going to do well? We don't learn from our mistakes. It's one step forward, two steps back. We're an average team with an average manager. Great managers can get average teams to work miracles, but average managers can only work with good teams and we're simply not a good team. Right, there's a video of the highlights, let's just pick out a few gems 1:46 - As blatant a penalty as you'll see. Rose clumsily takes the guy out from behind. I'd be more likely on the pitch strangling the referee for that, than for the Jagielka fuck up. How that isn't a penalty, fuck knows..... 7:39 - Clumsy from Stones beyond rational belief. He has three potential passes on when he turns, dreadful defending. Clearly thinks he's some sort of Beckenbauer, but isn't half as talented. The penalty is as clear as you'll see. Rose jumps with his arms tucked in then bizarrely flings them at the ball. 10:45 - OK, freeze the video at that point. Look at Jagielka, immediately you can see why he's knocked off the ball. It's quite evident from that frame alone that he doesn't know the Dutch player is behind him. Maybe nobody calls it ("man on" anyone?) but for some reason, at this point, as the ball is played, Jagielka is totally unaware that a player is behind him and is clearly under the impression that there is going to be no challenge. Freeze frame again just as Jagielka is about to control the ball (10:46). His body shape is all wrong. All he's about to do is intercept a ball, whereas he needs to anticipate a challenge. A better defender anticipates, a better defensive partner shouts it, for some reason that doesn't happen. The challenge itself is nothing as far as I'm concerned. Again, freeze frame as the tackle comes in and you realize there's not a huge amount of shoulder in it, he simply nicks the ball away from Jagielka and leans him off. Jagielka's loose stance allows him to be knocked off easily. Quote from the Guardian (who usually wank themselves so hard it's painful when talking about England) I have to say, I rate their lad up front, Vincent Janssen his name, quick Wiki check, good goal scoring record and plenty of potential. I thought he was excellent last night. I wonder if we'd consider putting in a cheeky bid.
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Post by ryan4england on Mar 30, 2016 9:22:28 GMT
Hopefully bodgson has the balls to drop the bigger names and give the team that beat Germany the group stage. No harm having these big profile players on the bench in more ways than one
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Post by ryan4england on Mar 30, 2016 9:25:38 GMT
It's a shame shawcross has had injury problems because conceeding 4 goals in w games isn't great, shawcross is twice the player of stones
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