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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2016 13:24:44 GMT
Where's the mythical striker that can score 20 goals a season in the PL? No-one has achieved that mark yet (Vardy's on 19) and only 4 have more than 14. Playing mostly 4-2-3-1 means the majority of our goals will come from someone other than the CF. We need a striker with 15+ and 3 or 4 to score 10+. We also need to score from set pieces. Sorted!  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2016 13:29:10 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Premier_League#Top_scorers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Premier_League#Top_scorers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Premier_League#Top_scorers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Premier_League#Top_scorers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Premier_League#Top_scorers
Good luck!
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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2016 14:18:20 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Premier_League#Top_scorers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Premier_League#Top_scorers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Premier_League#Top_scorers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Premier_League#Top_scorers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Premier_League#Top_scorers Good luck! ESPN is a good resource too. Actually, my question was rhetorical because I am not sure they are out there. I'd be very surprised if more than 4 players finish with 20 or more PL goals. Arnie's in 10th place with 10 PL goals. With the way we play, I'm not sure an old fashioned CF like Costa or Benteke is what we need. We need more players like Arnie that can score from MF or wide positions. Shaqiri, Affelay and Ibula are great players. However, if you look at their goals/game records they are not that impressive, Maybe they'll be more productive if they play in a settled side that doesn't chop and change from week to week. |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 17, 2016 14:42:54 GMT
Where's the mythical striker that can score 20 goals a season in the PL? No-one has achieved that mark yet (Vardy's on 19) and only 4 have more than 14. Playing mostly 4-2-3-1 means the majority of our goals will come from someone other than the CF. We need a striker with 15+ and 3 or 4 to score 10+. We also need to score from set pieces. Sorted! The ideas about what a club like us can expect from a goalscorer is one of those bizarre bits of fantasy that just seem to pervade the Stoke support (and probably other clubs of our standing) nowadays. I think maybe it's a hangover from lower league days when forwards banged them in left right and centre... in those days and divisions a 30-goal-a-season striker was not all that uncommon. In today's Premier League...: 20 goals a season is complete and utter fantasy 15 goals a season would be pretty extraordinary 10-12 goals a season (i.e. Diouf) is very good, and is about the limit of what we can expect from a striker The next best player is likely to score maybe seven or eight (Arnie is a bit of an exception this year - thank god) The others will be a mix of twos, threes and fours Re the OP, I think you're maybe trying to make the same point ku, but the idea that we would ever have a 15+ goalscorer *and* four (!) more players scoring ten or more is absolutely absurd! If we got five players on half those tallies we'd be doing well |
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Post by superheroantonius on Mar 17, 2016 15:20:11 GMT
Benteke :-)
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Post by JC9 on Mar 17, 2016 17:12:56 GMT
We should go for Bony, Benteke or Remy
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Post by Gods on Mar 17, 2016 17:15:04 GMT
We don't score 40 goals in total so no one on earth is going to get more than half of them.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 17, 2016 17:23:51 GMT
We should go for Bony, Benteke or Remy Those three might have suited 'Pulisball' but playing a more counter-attacking style would suit a Danny Ings more? |
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Post by haway on Mar 17, 2016 17:34:22 GMT
Most seasons have had a 20 goals a season striker (Aguero, Henry, Van Nistelrooy, Shearer & Phillips come to mind). And it's likely Vardy, Kane & Aguero could achieve it this season.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2016 17:38:20 GMT
Where's the mythical striker that can score 20 goals a season in the PL? No-one has achieved that mark yet (Vardy's on 19) and only 4 have more than 14. Playing mostly 4-2-3-1 means the majority of our goals will come from someone other than the CF. We need a striker with 15+ and 3 or 4 to score 10+. We also need to score from set pieces. Sorted! The ideas about what a club like us can expect from a goalscorer is one of those bizarre bits of fantasy that just seem to pervade the Stoke support (and probably other clubs of our standing) nowadays. I think maybe it's a hangover from lower league days when forwards banged them in left right and centre... in those days and divisions a 30-goal-a-season striker was not all that uncommon. In today's Premier League...: 20 goals a season is complete and utter fantasy 15 goals a season would be pretty extraordinary 10-12 goals a season (i.e. Diouf) is very good, and is about the limit of what we can expect from a striker The next best player is likely to score maybe seven or eight (Arnie is a bit of an exception this year - thank god) The others will be a mix of twos, threes and fours Re the OP, I think you're maybe trying to make the same point ku, but the idea that we would ever have a 15+ goalscorer *and* four (!) more players scoring ten or more is absolutely absurd! If we got five players on half those tallies we'd be doing well Hi Potterlog You have a good memory - I made this suggestion a while ago and it appears that your opinion is the same (absurd and fantastic!). I can fantasize if I want, can't I? At my age that's all I have! More seriously, you and I are on the same page that the possibility of Stoke signing a 20+ scorer is fairly low because there's not that many out there and they are going to get snapped up. So we have to rely on someone like Arnie being the top scorer and several others chipping in with the rest. Injuries notwithstanding, our defence is up to the job; however our GD is poor becasue we don't score enough goals (duh!). To get to the "next level' we need to score 12-15 more goals; so, the question is where are they coming from? Imbula, Bojan, Affelay Shaqiri are great players but they are not profilic goal scorers, at least not to date. Let's hope they can increase their productivity if they get more playing time and stay injury free. EDIT. Potterlog: I'll buy you a pint if Arnie does get 15 goals in all competitions (League and Cups). Right now he has 11. |
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Post by haway on Mar 17, 2016 17:42:17 GMT
Most seasons have had a 20 goals a season striker (Aguero, Henry, Van Nistelrooy, Shearer & Phillips come to mind). And it's likely Vardy, Kane & Aguero could achieve it this season. I realise the OP now means Stoke signing one I'd say Ighalo is potentially one in the right team |
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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2016 17:44:54 GMT
The ideas about what a club like us can expect from a goalscorer is one of those bizarre bits of fantasy that just seem to pervade the Stoke support (and probably other clubs of our standing) nowadays. I think maybe it's a hangover from lower league days when forwards banged them in left right and centre... in those days and divisions a 30-goal-a-season striker was not all that uncommon. In today's Premier League...: 20 goals a season is complete and utter fantasy 15 goals a season would be pretty extraordinary 10-12 goals a season (i.e. Diouf) is very good, and is about the limit of what we can expect from a striker The next best player is likely to score maybe seven or eight (Arnie is a bit of an exception this year - thank god) The others will be a mix of twos, threes and fours Re the OP, I think you're maybe trying to make the same point ku, but the idea that we would ever have a 15+ goalscorer *and* four (!) more players scoring ten or more is absolutely absurd! If we got five players on half those tallies we'd be doing well Hi Potterlog You have a good memory - I made this suggestion a while ago and it appears that your opinion is the same (absurd and fantastic!). I can fantasize if I want, can't I? At my age that's all I have! More seriously, you and I are on the same page that the possibility of Stoke signing a 20+ scorer is fairly low because there's not that many out there and they are going to get snapped up. So we have to rely on someone like Arnie being the top scorer and several others chipping in with the rest. Injuries notwithstanding, our defence is up to the job; however our GD is poor becasue we don't score enough goals (duh!). To get to the "next level' we need to score 12-15 more goals; so, the question is where are they coming from? Imbula, Bojan, Affelay Shaqiri are great players but they are not profilic goal scorers, at least not to date. Let's hope they can increase their productivity if they get more playing time and stay injury free. EDIT. Potterlog: I'll buy you a pint if Arnie does get 15 goals in all competitions (League and Cups). Right now he has 11. Typo. I meant does NOT get 15 goals. |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 17, 2016 17:47:33 GMT
The ideas about what a club like us can expect from a goalscorer is one of those bizarre bits of fantasy that just seem to pervade the Stoke support (and probably other clubs of our standing) nowadays. I think maybe it's a hangover from lower league days when forwards banged them in left right and centre... in those days and divisions a 30-goal-a-season striker was not all that uncommon. In today's Premier League...: 20 goals a season is complete and utter fantasy 15 goals a season would be pretty extraordinary 10-12 goals a season (i.e. Diouf) is very good, and is about the limit of what we can expect from a striker The next best player is likely to score maybe seven or eight (Arnie is a bit of an exception this year - thank god) The others will be a mix of twos, threes and fours Re the OP, I think you're maybe trying to make the same point ku, but the idea that we would ever have a 15+ goalscorer *and* four (!) more players scoring ten or more is absolutely absurd! If we got five players on half those tallies we'd be doing well Hi Potterlog You have a good memory - I made this suggestion a while ago and it appears that your opinion is the same (absurd and fantastic!). I can fantasize if I want, can't I? At my age that's all I have! More seriously, you and I are on the same page that the possibility of Stoke signing a 20+ scorer is fairly low because there's not that many out there and they are going to get snapped up. So we have to rely on someone like Arnie being the top scorer and several others chipping in with the rest. Injuries notwithstanding, our defence is up to the job; however our GD is poor becasue we don't score enough goals (duh!). To get to the "next level' we need to score 12-15 more goals; so, the question is where are they coming from? Imbula, Bojan, Affelay Shaqiri are great players but they are not profilic goal scorers, at least not to date. Let's hope they can increase their productivity if they get more playing time and stay injury free. It's just about everyone across the team chipping in a goal or two more each, and that hinges on our general attacking play and our ability to create good chances, far more than - as you correctly say - getting one star striker to magic up 20 goals on his own. Set-pieces (opportunities for defenders to score) is the other area we're massively letting ourselves down. The more you think about it, the dafter the idea that our problems lie solely with our striking personnel gets. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 17:49:26 GMT
I wouldn't have us sign Remy, he'd basically be 30 when we signed him and he's surely nowhere close to match-sharp.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 17, 2016 17:50:42 GMT
Hi Potterlog You have a good memory - I made this suggestion a while ago and it appears that your opinion is the same (absurd and fantastic!). I can fantasize if I want, can't I? At my age that's all I have! More seriously, you and I are on the same page that the possibility of Stoke signing a 20+ scorer is fairly low because there's not that many out there and they are going to get snapped up. So we have to rely on someone like Arnie being the top scorer and several others chipping in with the rest. Injuries notwithstanding, our defence is up to the job; however our GD is poor becasue we don't score enough goals (duh!). To get to the "next level' we need to score 12-15 more goals; so, the question is where are they coming from? Imbula, Bojan, Affelay Shaqiri are great players but they are not profilic goal scorers, at least not to date. Let's hope they can increase their productivity if they get more playing time and stay injury free. EDIT. Potterlog: I'll buy you a pint if Arnie does get 15 goals in all competitions (League and Cups). Right now he has 11. Typo. I meant does NOT get 15 goals. That would give him 14 in the league, which would be quite easily our best total of any Stoke player in the Prem... you're on (although I hope you win)  |
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Post by superheroantonius on Mar 17, 2016 17:53:09 GMT
We have signed 20 goal a season strikers before when we had a lot less money than now
Mark stein signed for small change from Oxford united and I don't think mike Sheron cost a fortune either.
Good scouting and a bit luck did us well in those days and that's probably what we need now.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2016 20:05:08 GMT
Typo. I meant does NOT get 15 goals. That would give him 14 in the league, which would be quite easily our best total of any Stoke player in the Prem... you're on (although I hope you win)  |
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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2016 20:07:16 GMT
We have signed 20 goal a season strikers before when we had a lot less money than now Mark stein signed for small change from Oxford united and I don't think mike Sheron cost a fortune either. Good scouting and a bit luck did us well in those days and that's probably what we need now. There's a world of difference between scoring 20 goals in the Championship or Division 1 and in the Prem. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 17, 2016 23:57:37 GMT
A 20 goal a season striker is just a cliche spouted out by lazy supporters and pundits.
In reality we need a 10-15 goal a season striker with our two wide forwards and attacking midfielder chipping in on a more regular basis.
The other issue is that we don't score enough goals from other areas of the pitch. How many goals have our central defenders or midfielders plundered this season?
A club of our size will never realistically have a 20 goal a season striker (and even if we do a bigger club will soon snap him up). What we do need is more goals, more consistently from other areas of the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 8:50:19 GMT
A 20 goal a season striker is just a cliche spouted out by lazy supporters and pundits. In reality we need a 10-15 goal a season striker with our two wide forwards and attacking midfielder chipping in on a more regular basis. The other issue is that we don't score enough goals from other areas of the pitch. How many goals have our central defenders or midfielders plundered this season? A club of our size will never realistically have a 20 goal a season striker (and even if we do a bigger club will soon snap him up). What we do need is more goals, more consistently from other areas of the pitch. We've already got one. If Diouff had a full season in his rightful position he would bag 15 goals plus. |
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Post by j3st3r on Mar 18, 2016 14:53:19 GMT
A 20 goal a season striker is just a cliche spouted out by lazy supporters and pundits. In reality we need a 10-15 goal a season striker with our two wide forwards and attacking midfielder chipping in on a more regular basis. The other issue is that we don't score enough goals from other areas of the pitch. How many goals have our central defenders or midfielders plundered this season? A club of our size will never realistically have a 20 goal a season striker (and even if we do a bigger club will soon snap him up). What we do need is more goals, more consistently from other areas of the pitch. Is Arnie not our top scorer this season? |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 18, 2016 17:06:53 GMT
A 20 goal a season striker is just a cliche spouted out by lazy supporters and pundits. In reality we need a 10-15 goal a season striker with our two wide forwards and attacking midfielder chipping in on a more regular basis. The other issue is that we don't score enough goals from other areas of the pitch. How many goals have our central defenders or midfielders plundered this season? A club of our size will never realistically have a 20 goal a season striker (and even if we do a bigger club will soon snap him up). What we do need is more goals, more consistently from other areas of the pitch. Is Arnie not our top scorer this season? Indeed, but based on his previous two campaigns, this year's has been the exception. It also raises the issues as to how few goals others are contributing! |
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Mar 18, 2016 17:18:51 GMT
Is Arnie not our top scorer this season? Indeed, but based on his previous two campaigns, this year's has been the exception. It also raises the issues as to how few goals others are contributing!This. Our goal tally would look nowhere near as terrible if we were chipping in at the same rate as your average team from set pieces. It's a problem that needs to be addressed for next year. Has a defender scored this season for us in the league? |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 18, 2016 17:50:35 GMT
Indeed, but based on his previous two campaigns, this year's has been the exception. It also raises the issues as to how few goals others are contributing!This. Our goal tally would look nowhere near as terrible if we were chipping in at the same rate as your average team from set pieces. It's a problem that needs to be addressed for next year. Has a defender scored this season for us in the league? Bit disappointed Glen hasn't curled one in for us yet |
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Post by j3st3r on Mar 18, 2016 18:02:39 GMT
Indeed, but based on his previous two campaigns, this year's has been the exception. It also raises the issues as to how few goals others are contributing!This. Our goal tally would look nowhere near as terrible if we were chipping in at the same rate as your average team from set pieces. It's a problem that needs to be addressed for next year. Has a defender scored this season for us in the league? Bards with one... |
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Mar 18, 2016 19:07:14 GMT
This. Our goal tally would look nowhere near as terrible if we were chipping in at the same rate as your average team from set pieces. It's a problem that needs to be addressed for next year. Has a defender scored this season for us in the league? Bards with one... Thought that was a cup match |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 18, 2016 19:12:04 GMT
Thought that was a cup match It was |
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Post by alansuddick on Mar 18, 2016 19:24:09 GMT
Id buy keegan, that michelle sort who was on coronation street.
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Post by barcaontrent on Mar 18, 2016 19:30:01 GMT
Id buy keegan, that michelle sort who was on coronation street. get the feeling if she joined everyone would be 'banging' them in |
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Post by Gods on Mar 18, 2016 20:07:08 GMT
We don't score 40 goals in total so no one on earth is going to get more than half of them. I don't know what else I can do to make this all important point short of setting it to music!? |
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