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Post by mumf on Mar 16, 2016 9:16:36 GMT
I will feel disapponted and sorrowful for all those soldiers who gave their lives for our freedom in two world wars . We'll still have our freedom if we decide to stay in the EU. No ...Thats an easy one to answer . We won't . We will still be under the rules of the EU .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 9:24:03 GMT
If the Brexit wins the poll, it will take years, some estimate 5 to 7 s, to actually leave the EU, it won't happen overnight, and it may even not happen under a Tory government, certainly not Cameron...
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 16, 2016 10:03:44 GMT
We'll still have our freedom if we decide to stay in the EU. No ...Thats an easy one to answer . We won't . We will still be under the rules of the EU . EU policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital, enact legislation in justice and home affairs, and maintain common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development. I think it's pretty shameful of you to bring in the sacrifices of our soldiers in two world wars into this debate because the purpose of the EU as described above is to promote freedom between the member states, ironically enough to try and get rid of the extreme nationalism which led to the world wars in the first place.
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Post by starkiller on Mar 16, 2016 10:48:45 GMT
'Moving public money and assets into private hands at record speed' is the mantra of this truly appalling government.
The most despicable government this country has ever seen and a true enemy of ordinary people.
And, no, I'm not a supporter of any party, before anyone starts boring, political party arguments from a false dichotomy mindset.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 11:10:18 GMT
Al I've ever wanted to see is a fair society. Some people have far too much and want more. Some people do not have enough and have no means of improving their lot. There seems to be nobody in power, or out of it to change things. Some people have enough and are happy with their lot. What is the answer? I know which way I'm voting regards Europe, but whether it's right or wrong, only time will tell.
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Post by britsabroad on Mar 16, 2016 11:11:11 GMT
Rick grimes ....It may have passed your attention , but Corbyns plans on europe are no different than that of Camerons . He's following the same path . It doesnt really matter anyway , because he'll be getting kicked out soon . Trust me . We can slag Corbyn to the hilt, but he is leader of the opposition as a reaction to what we're being spoon fed. Labour had a credible leader in Gordon Brown, but the electorate marginally put more ticks next to the Iggle Piggle looky-likey. Looking at it all in hindsight, I wonder who they'd vote for if they went head to head today... You do come out with some absolute bollocks
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Post by desman2 on Mar 16, 2016 11:34:22 GMT
No ...Thats an easy one to answer . We won't . We will still be under the rules of the EU . EU policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital, enact legislation in justice and home affairs, and maintain common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development. I think it's pretty shameful of you to bring in the sacrifices of our soldiers in two world wars into this debate because the purpose of the EU as described above is to promote freedom between the member states, ironically enough to try and get rid of the extreme nationalism which led to the world wars in the first place. Isnt the EU a form of nationalism in itself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 12:19:22 GMT
What education?
Our children's education standards are the lowest they have been for decades, if they closed EVERY school and had them taught by migrants they would for the most part do better.
After attending a works party where 99% of the workers were Polish, Romanian or Hungarian I was pleasantly surprised to find they spoke better English tan most of our teenagers and certainly had better manners.
They all had a job and a clear vision of what they wanted, to say they were motivated was an understatement. Our youth could have learned a lot from them, not least the ability to say THREE instead of FREE and to not start every sentence with EH and end it with IS IT.
Every single lad and man at the party shook my hand as we left in a show of respect I have not seen in a long long time.
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Post by mumf on Mar 16, 2016 12:40:03 GMT
No ...Thats an easy one to answer . We won't . We will still be under the rules of the EU . EU policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital, enact legislation in justice and home affairs, and maintain common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development. I think it's pretty shameful of you to bring in the sacrifices of our soldiers in two world wars into this debate because the purpose of the EU as described above is to promote freedom between the member states, ironically enough to try and get rid of the extreme nationalism which led to the world wars in the first place. Well , let me you enlighten you further if you find that shameful ....a common phrase used by serviceman during the war and after , was one I will always remember . It was often mentioned by dad and grandad . My father was a RSM and he always said that , "there's only one good German and that's a dead one . Sometime in the future they'll try and take over Europe again ...." He he died in 1975 but his prophetic words were not lost me . There are plenty other examples I can draw on....Japanese ones too . Far far worse than that , but you see unless you have ever had the opportunity to make that direct connection then you are clearly not aware of the hatred . When Datsun started importing cars into the Uk many old timers who had fought in the war refused to buy them on principle .....and the same went for Japanese and German bikes too . You see they were very proud and brave men . They wouldn't put up with all the pandering poncy shit that appears the 'norm' these days .. So there you go ....a history lesson that you would do well to remember and prevent further fucking embarrassment .
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Post by desman2 on Mar 16, 2016 12:43:30 GMT
EU policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital, enact legislation in justice and home affairs, and maintain common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development. I think it's pretty shameful of you to bring in the sacrifices of our soldiers in two world wars into this debate because the purpose of the EU as described above is to promote freedom between the member states, ironically enough to try and get rid of the extreme nationalism which led to the world wars in the first place. Well , let me you enlighten you further if you find that shameful ....a common phrase used by serviceman during the war and after , was one I will always remember . It was often mentioned by dad and grandad . My father was a RSM and he always said that , "there's only one good German and that's a dead one . Sometime in the future they'll try and take over Europe again ...." He he died in 1975 but his prophetic words were not lost me . There are plenty other examples I can draw on....Japanese ones too . Far far worse than that , but you see unless you have ever had the opportunity to make that direct connection then you are clearly not aware of the hatred . When Datsun started importing cars into the Uk many old timers who had fought in the war refused to buy them on principle .....and the same went for Japanese and German bikes too . You see they were very proud and brave men . They wouldn't put up with all the pandering poncy shit that appears the 'norm' these days .. So there you go ....a history lesson that you would do well to remember and prevent further fucking embarrassment . The problem is, since those days, weve never had to defend our freedoms. We have no idea where it came from nor indeed what it cost and some people simply don't care.
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Post by mumf on Mar 16, 2016 12:47:22 GMT
Well , let me you enlighten you further if you find that shameful ....a common phrase used by serviceman during the war and after , was one I will always remember . It was often mentioned by dad and grandad . My father was a RSM and he always said that , "there's only one good German and that's a dead one . Sometime in the future they'll try and take over Europe again ...." He he died in 1975 but his prophetic words were not lost me . There are plenty other examples I can draw on....Japanese ones too . Far far worse than that , but you see unless you have ever had the opportunity to make that direct connection then you are clearly not aware of the hatred . When Datsun started importing cars into the Uk many old timers who had fought in the war refused to buy them on principle .....and the same went for Japanese and German bikes too . You see they were very proud and brave men . They wouldn't put up with all the pandering poncy shit that appears the 'norm' these days .. So there you go ....a history lesson that you would do well to remember and prevent further fucking embarrassment . The problem is, since those days, weve never had to defend our freedoms. We have no idea where it came from nor indeed what it cost and some people simply don't care. Correct ....but the power stronghold is still Germany . It has been divide and conquer by treaty and agreement rather than the bullet . It's only now that we are all having second thoughts as to where all this taking us ....
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 16, 2016 12:59:56 GMT
EU policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital, enact legislation in justice and home affairs, and maintain common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development. I think it's pretty shameful of you to bring in the sacrifices of our soldiers in two world wars into this debate because the purpose of the EU as described above is to promote freedom between the member states, ironically enough to try and get rid of the extreme nationalism which led to the world wars in the first place. Well , let me you enlighten you further if you find that shameful ....a common phrase used by serviceman during the war and after , was one I will always remember . It was often mentioned by dad and grandad . My father was a RSM and he always said that , "there's only one good German and that's a dead one . Sometime in the future they'll try and take over Europe again ...." He he died in 1975 but his prophetic words were not lost me . There are plenty other examples I can draw on....Japanese ones too . Far far worse than that , but you see unless you have ever had the opportunity to make that direct connection then you are clearly not aware of the hatred . When Datsun started importing cars into the Uk many old timers who had fought in the war refused to buy them on principle .....and the same went for Japanese and German bikes too . You see they were very proud and brave men . They wouldn't put up with all the pandering poncy shit that appears the 'norm' these days .. So there you go ....a history lesson that you would do well to remember and prevent further fucking embarrassment . yeah, but folk were far less cosmopolitan back then. Other than being a part of a fighting machine, they wouldn't have left Stoke, nevermind Blighty. Anyway, were all Anglo-Saxons
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 16, 2016 14:17:29 GMT
Being in the EU and being in Europe are two entirely different concepts. It's the EU I have a problem with. It depends if you want to be part of an ever closer United States of Europe, AND give up your democracy to 'others' to do so. The EU is undemocratic and bureaucratic amongst other issues. Perhaps an EU model would work for SOME countries in Europe, but in my opinion to stick 27 diverse nations with proud histories and economic situations together and expect them to become one country, is unrealistic when the vested interests and power of the political masters is taken into account. I think that the The Euro may work for some but not all. ?
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Post by starkiller on Mar 16, 2016 14:18:42 GMT
No ...Thats an easy one to answer . We won't . We will still be under the rules of the EU . EU policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital, enact legislation in justice and home affairs, and maintain common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development. I think it's pretty shameful of you to bring in the sacrifices of our soldiers in two world wars into this debate because the purpose of the EU as described above is to promote freedom between the member states, ironically enough to try and get rid of the extreme nationalism which led to the world wars in the first place. Idealistic, at best. And why do I still need a passport for the EU?
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 16, 2016 14:30:19 GMT
EU policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital, enact legislation in justice and home affairs, and maintain common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development. I think it's pretty shameful of you to bring in the sacrifices of our soldiers in two world wars into this debate because the purpose of the EU as described above is to promote freedom between the member states, ironically enough to try and get rid of the extreme nationalism which led to the world wars in the first place. Well , let me you enlighten you further if you find that shameful ....a common phrase used by serviceman during the war and after , was one I will always remember . It was often mentioned by dad and grandad . My father was a RSM and he always said that , "there's only one good German and that's a dead one . Sometime in the future they'll try and take over Europe again ...." He he died in 1975 but his prophetic words were not lost me . There are plenty other examples I can draw on....Japanese ones too . Far far worse than that , but you see unless you have ever had the opportunity to make that direct connection then you are clearly not aware of the hatred . When Datsun started importing cars into the Uk many old timers who had fought in the war refused to buy them on principle .....and the same went for Japanese and German bikes too . You see they were very proud and brave men . They wouldn't put up with all the pandering poncy shit that appears the 'norm' these days .. So there you go ....a history lesson that you would do well to remember and prevent further fucking embarrassment . Nice story (it's not a lesson though) it's understandable why your father and grandfather would have such attitudes in those times because the world and the attitudes people had were very different back then. However since then a lot of things have changed and such attitudes in our modern society are neither relevant or valid.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 16, 2016 14:39:07 GMT
EU policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital, enact legislation in justice and home affairs, and maintain common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development. I think it's pretty shameful of you to bring in the sacrifices of our soldiers in two world wars into this debate because the purpose of the EU as described above is to promote freedom between the member states, ironically enough to try and get rid of the extreme nationalism which led to the world wars in the first place. Idealistic, at best. And why do I still need a passport for the EU? It's very idealistic but those are the aims of the EU whether or not they achieve them is a different argument entirely. That's not the point I'm making, the EU is designed to be in the member states best interests and promotes freedom rather than what riccochet is suggesting it is. I'd have thought the reason you need a passport or ID card is pretty obvious, you can move about the EU as much as you like but you have to be able to prove you're part of the EU in order to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 15:20:02 GMT
No ...Thats an easy one to answer . We won't . We will still be under the rules of the EU . EU policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital, enact legislation in justice and home affairs, and maintain common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development. I think it's pretty shameful of you to bring in the sacrifices of our soldiers in two world wars into this debate because the purpose of the EU as described above is to promote freedom between the member states, ironically enough to try and get rid of the extreme nationalism which led to the world wars in the first place. It was the sacrifices made by our servicemen in two World Wars that enabled Europe to become a free and democratic ( of sorts ) society that we are part of today, without those sacrifices there would not be an E.U. , it can never be shameful to remind people of those sacrifices made by our fathers and it can not be considered irrelevant because it was from a different era .....the past has been very instrumental in creating the Europe we have today .
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Post by britsabroad on Mar 16, 2016 15:37:26 GMT
EU policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital, enact legislation in justice and home affairs, and maintain common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development. I think it's pretty shameful of you to bring in the sacrifices of our soldiers in two world wars into this debate because the purpose of the EU as described above is to promote freedom between the member states, ironically enough to try and get rid of the extreme nationalism which led to the world wars in the first place. Idealistic, at best. And why do I still need a passport for the EU? You don't, if you're in one of the 26 countries that signed the Schengen Agreement. The UK simply had an opt out.
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Post by desman2 on Mar 16, 2016 15:52:48 GMT
Idealistic, at best. And why do I still need a passport for the EU? You don't, if you're in one of the 26 countries that signed the Schengen Agreement. The UK simply had an opt out. So did half the middle east, Africa and any other opportunist
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 16, 2016 16:10:05 GMT
The EU as an organisation, Europe and attitudes to Europe are different things
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 16, 2016 17:39:21 GMT
You don't, if you're in one of the 26 countries that signed the Schengen Agreement. The UK simply had an opt out. So did half the middle east, Africa and any other opportunist Half the population of the Middle East and Africa is about 537.5 million people, so I see immigration is a bigger problem then we thought. The only things missing from my in-depth figures is how many opportunists there are, as I don't know the population of Opportunistan.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 16, 2016 18:08:55 GMT
EU policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital, enact legislation in justice and home affairs, and maintain common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development. I think it's pretty shameful of you to bring in the sacrifices of our soldiers in two world wars into this debate because the purpose of the EU as described above is to promote freedom between the member states, ironically enough to try and get rid of the extreme nationalism which led to the world wars in the first place. It was the sacrifices made by our servicemen in two World Wars that enabled Europe to become a free and democratic ( of sorts ) society that we are part of today, without those sacrifices there would not be an E.U. , it can never be shameful to remind people of those sacrifices made by our fathers and it can not be considered irrelevant because it was from a different era .....the past has been very instrumental in creating the Europe we have today . It most certainly is shameful to use their sacrifices in the way that riccochet/mumf has. They fought for our freedom, we've got it. We used our freedom to opt into being part of a union that has the aim of making all of Europe a better and more harmonious place with common goals. It is irrelevant now because riccochet was saying we can't trust the Germans because his dad told him so. Such attitudes are no longer relevant in modern society.
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Post by desman2 on Mar 16, 2016 18:36:12 GMT
It was the sacrifices made by our servicemen in two World Wars that enabled Europe to become a free and democratic ( of sorts ) society that we are part of today, without those sacrifices there would not be an E.U. , it can never be shameful to remind people of those sacrifices made by our fathers and it can not be considered irrelevant because it was from a different era .....the past has been very instrumental in creating the Europe we have today . It most certainly is shameful to use their sacrifices in the way that riccochet/mumf has. They fought for our freedom, we've got it. We used our freedom to opt into being part of a union that has the aim of making all of Europe a better and more harmonious place with common goals. It is irrelevant now because riccochet was saying we can't trust the Germans because his dad told him so. Such attitudes are no longer relevant in modern society. Yes Europes a much better place. Unless youre a female that is. I cant believe the harmony the Greeks have with Germany. The EU is nothing about making Europe or anywhere else a better place. Its about power and nothing else. You let yourself down when you said we used our freedom to opt into a union. We didnt. We opted into a common market of trade between nation states in Europe.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Mar 16, 2016 18:37:38 GMT
Other nations also fought for freedom
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 16, 2016 18:57:46 GMT
It most certainly is shameful to use their sacrifices in the way that riccochet/mumf has. They fought for our freedom, we've got it. We used our freedom to opt into being part of a union that has the aim of making all of Europe a better and more harmonious place with common goals. It is irrelevant now because riccochet was saying we can't trust the Germans because his dad told him so. Such attitudes are no longer relevant in modern society. Yes Europes a much better place. Unless youre a female that is. I cant believe the harmony the Greeks have with Germany. The EU is nothing about making Europe or anywhere else a better place. Its about power and nothing else. You let yourself down when you said we used our freedom to opt into a union. We didnt. We opted into a common market of trade between nation states in Europe. It is freedom though isn't because we've got the freedom to opt out, we have the choice. If we choose to stay in then that's fine and it certainly doesn't mean that people like riccochet should be 'disappointed and sorrowful' because tbey feel our freedom is somehow compromised.
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Post by mumf on Mar 16, 2016 19:00:56 GMT
It was the sacrifices made by our servicemen in two World Wars that enabled Europe to become a free and democratic ( of sorts ) society that we are part of today, without those sacrifices there would not be an E.U. , it can never be shameful to remind people of those sacrifices made by our fathers and it can not be considered irrelevant because it was from a different era .....the past has been very instrumental in creating the Europe we have today . It most certainly is shameful to use their sacrifices in the way that riccochet/mumf has. They fought for our freedom, we've got it. We used our freedom to opt into being part of a union that has the aim of making all of Europe a better and more harmonious place with common goals. It is irrelevant now because riccochet was saying we can't trust the Germans because his dad told him so. Such attitudes are no longer relevant in modern society. You obviously don't read the headlines . You don't see the shitty disgraceful mess our country has become ... When I grew up we had freedom . Now we have daily terrorist attacks , white males deliberately getting run over , we have taxi wars by Muslims , We have had Rotherham , Rochdale , Luton , Telford , people trafficking , several hundred active terrorist investigations , hundreds of slavery cases and you haven't got the brains to see what's happening . The reason is because you were born into it and I wasn't . I never had to endure or put up with some of the filth walking our streets and committing these crimes . Thats what The European Union has brought us and continues to bring us . You're welcome to it ....the freedom that they fought for during the war has now been forfeited for a disgraceful state of affairs and standards . You have no idea how much better life was back then ...and safer ,..and happier . But you're welcome to it .....I don't want any part of it . Everything comes at a price and the British public is paying for it ...both culturally , morally and financially . Long live Trump .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 22:37:05 GMT
It was the sacrifices made by our servicemen in two World Wars that enabled Europe to become a free and democratic ( of sorts ) society that we are part of today, without those sacrifices there would not be an E.U. , it can never be shameful to remind people of those sacrifices made by our fathers and it can not be considered irrelevant because it was from a different era .....the past has been very instrumental in creating the Europe we have today . It most certainly is shameful to use their sacrifices in the way that riccochet/mumf has. They fought for our freedom, we've got it. We used our freedom to opt into being part of a union that has the aim of making all of Europe a better and more harmonious place with common goals. It is irrelevant now because riccochet was saying we can't trust the Germans because his dad told him so. Such attitudes are no longer relevant in modern society. The British public did not " opt " as you put it into any form of Union of European countries .....they opted to join a common market purely for the purpose of trade.....making Europe a better and more harmonious place with common goals was never part of the deal ....." Union " never became part of the deal until the Mastricht agreement was signed in the early nineties and that was a different animal completely from the one that we joined in 1973, one that has become so far removed from the original concept that it no longer serves this country's best interest in remaining part of it , it's time for us to try and recover some of what we have lost of ourselves over the last 40 years .
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 16, 2016 23:06:10 GMT
It most certainly is shameful to use their sacrifices in the way that riccochet/mumf has. They fought for our freedom, we've got it. We used our freedom to opt into being part of a union that has the aim of making all of Europe a better and more harmonious place with common goals. It is irrelevant now because riccochet was saying we can't trust the Germans because his dad told him so. Such attitudes are no longer relevant in modern society. The British public did not " opt " as you put it into any form of Union of European countries .....they opted to join a common market purely for the purpose of trade.....making Europe a better and more harmonious place with common goals was never part of the deal ....." Union " never became part of the deal until the Mastricht agreement was signed in the early nineties and that was a different animal completely from the one that we joined in 1973, one that has become so far removed from the original concept that it no longer serves this country's best interest in remaining part of it , it's time for us to try and recover some of what we have lost of ourselves over the last 40 years . Britain could have opted out at any time, we've chosen not to up until this point. What have we lost of ourselves over the last 40 years?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 9:42:59 GMT
The British public did not " opt " as you put it into any form of Union of European countries .....they opted to join a common market purely for the purpose of trade.....making Europe a better and more harmonious place with common goals was never part of the deal ....." Union " never became part of the deal until the Mastricht agreement was signed in the early nineties and that was a different animal completely from the one that we joined in 1973, one that has become so far removed from the original concept that it no longer serves this country's best interest in remaining part of it , it's time for us to try and recover some of what we have lost of ourselves over the last 40 years . Britain could have opted out at any time, we've chosen not to up until this point. What have we lost of ourselves over the last 40 years? Self determination for a start ! Ask yourself why have the British public suddenly over the last few months decided that they want out ? You are probably younger than someone like myself , you will not have witnessed the seed change that has gradually occurred in Britain over the last 40 odd years and certainly even more so in the last 20 since the EU expanded its membership to the former eastern bloc countries .
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 17, 2016 10:46:56 GMT
It most certainly is shameful to use their sacrifices in the way that riccochet/mumf has. They fought for our freedom, we've got it. We used our freedom to opt into being part of a union that has the aim of making all of Europe a better and more harmonious place with common goals. It is irrelevant now because riccochet was saying we can't trust the Germans because his dad told him so. Such attitudes are no longer relevant in modern society. You obviously don't read the headlines . You don't see the shitty disgraceful mess our country has become ... When I grew up we had freedom . Now we have daily terrorist attacks , white males deliberately getting run over , we have taxi wars by Muslims , We have had Rotherham , Rochdale , Luton , Telford , people trafficking , several hundred active terrorist investigations , hundreds of slavery cases and you haven't got the brains to see what's happening . The reason is because you were born into it and I wasn't . I never had to endure or put up with some of the filth walking our streets and committing these crimes . Thats what The European Union has brought us and continues to bring us . You're welcome to it ....the freedom that they fought for during the war has now been forfeited for a disgraceful state of affairs and standards . You have no idea how much better life was back then ...and safer ,..and happier . But you're welcome to it .....I don't want any part of it . Everything comes at a price and the British public is paying for it ...both culturally , morally and financially . Long live Trump . I find it amazing that you've always got so much to say, and yet there's so little behind it. Once again you're banging on about the freedom that the solidiers fought for and you're completely wrong and shameful in doing so. The European Union was formally established in 1993, by choosing to remain in it up until this point we've exercised our freedom. By choosing to have a referendum we're exercising our freedom, the freedom the soldiers fought for so to suggest otherwise as you have continue to do so is laughable. Daily terrorist attacks? In this country? You're just making stuff up, there's no substance behind it. As for your other comments you've clearly done no research, reading the news doesn't count. The report below looks into race and ethnicty of those involved in the criminal justice system. www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/480250/bulletin.pdfArticles like these below indicate 'The crime rate in England and Wales fell by 7% in 2014 to an estimated 6.9 million incidents, its lowest level since 1981, according to the latest official figures.'. So crime levels are at it's lowest level since 1981, well before the EU was formally formed in 1993, and you're blaming the influx of 'filth' from the EU causing our country to become a 'shitty disgraceful mess' which is again laughably incorrect. Life clearly wasn't 'safer' as you suggest before we entered the EU. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/23/crime-rate-ons-lowest-level-england-wales-policewww.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30931732
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