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Post by bathstoke on Mar 15, 2016 20:09:38 GMT
Lest there were any doubt about the Governments motives. 1st they imposed a 7 day week on Drs, Now they are trying to impose an 8am - 8pm 6 day week on Civil Servants, now they are going to impose academy teaching on all schools, this will cast your children's education to the wind. All major ideological changes to Public Sector workers. These are changes on the very parts of our society that have already being going through huge schanges over recent years. It's a blatant attempt to undermine the fundamental structures of society. They don't give a £@#&, cause they either don't use these services or go private.
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Post by desman2 on Mar 15, 2016 20:16:01 GMT
Wait till the TTIP gets hold of some of our public services and you'll see what slavery really is.
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Post by starkiller on Mar 15, 2016 20:53:46 GMT
Government exists to wage war on its people.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 15, 2016 21:05:46 GMT
Government exists to wage war on its people. What did we do to warrant such hatred!?!
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 15, 2016 21:12:57 GMT
Lest there were any doubt about the Governments motives. 1st they imposed a 7 day week on Drs, Now they are trying to impose an 8am - 8pm 6 day week on Civil Servants, now they are going to impose academy teaching on all schools, this will cast your children's education to the wind. All major ideological changes to Public Sector workers. These are changes on the very parts of our society that have already being going through huge schanges over recent years. It's a blatant attempt to undermine the fundamental structures of society. They don't give a £@#&, cause they either don't use these services or go private. What is wrong with doctor's surgeries being open at weekends?
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Post by mumf on Mar 15, 2016 21:17:23 GMT
Lest there were any doubt about the Governments motives. 1st they imposed a 7 day week on Drs, Now they are trying to impose an 8am - 8pm 6 day week on Civil Servants, now they are going to impose academy teaching on all schools, this will cast your children's education to the wind. All major ideological changes to Public Sector workers. These are changes on the very parts of our society that have already being going through huge schanges over recent years. It's a blatant attempt to undermine the fundamental structures of society. They don't give a £@#&, cause they either don't use these services or go private. Those structures you seem to have issues with pale into insignificance when you see the ongoing erosion of the British way of life and standards we have become accustomed to over several decades as a result of our open policy with regards to immigration imposed on us by our Brussels Beaurocrats . This country is under tremendous pressure to absorb such migrants and these proposed measures are simply the result of what we have brought upon ourselves . Rather than bleating over the consequences I suggest you address the causes and Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is . The only difference is that he will never become Prime Minister and actually have to 'face the music ' . In the meantime , Wilkos have some really good offers on cheap nails and screws ideal for the construction of placards should you feel compelled in this direction .
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 15, 2016 21:57:15 GMT
Lest there were any doubt about the Governments motives. 1st they imposed a 7 day week on Drs, Now they are trying to impose an 8am - 8pm 6 day week on Civil Servants, now they are going to impose academy teaching on all schools, this will cast your children's education to the wind. All major ideological changes to Public Sector workers. These are changes on the very parts of our society that have already being going through huge schanges over recent years. It's a blatant attempt to undermine the fundamental structures of society. They don't give a £@#&, cause they either don't use these services or go private. Those structures you seem to have issues with pale into insignificance when you see the ongoing erosion of the British way of life and standards we have become accustomed to over several decades as a result of our open policy with regards to immigration imposed on us by our Brussels Beaurocrats . This country is under tremendous pressure to absorb such migrants and these proposed measures are simply the result of what we have brought upon ourselves . Rather than bleating over the consequences I suggest you address the causes and Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is . The only difference is that he will never become Prime Minister and actually have to 'face the music ' . In the meantime , Wilkos have some really good offers on cheap nails and screws ideal for the construction of placards should you feel compelled in this direction . Said with good humour, this sounds to me like someone who is genuinely concerned about the direction our great country is going in, and is frustrated that the Labour party, where his heart lies, is not representing him. We don't want rule by the EU beurocrats, but we don't want rule by the Tories either, so where does the ordinary "socialist" person put their vote?
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 15, 2016 22:02:01 GMT
Those structures you seem to have issues with pale into insignificance when you see the ongoing erosion of the British way of life and standards we have become accustomed to over several decades as a result of our open policy with regards to immigration imposed on us by our Brussels Beaurocrats . This country is under tremendous pressure to absorb such migrants and these proposed measures are simply the result of what we have brought upon ourselves . Rather than bleating over the consequences I suggest you address the causes and Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is . The only difference is that he will never become Prime Minister and actually have to 'face the music ' . In the meantime , Wilkos have some really good offers on cheap nails and screws ideal for the construction of placards should you feel compelled in this direction . Said with good humour, this sounds to me like someone who is genuinely concerned about the direction our great country is going in, and is frustrated that the Labour party, where his heart lies, is not representing him. We don't want rule by the EU beurocrats, but we don't want rule by the Tories either, so where does the ordinary "socialist" person put their vote? Just the type of war I love, Divide & conquer. We're all going into servitude in a handcart
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Post by mumf on Mar 15, 2016 22:17:22 GMT
Those structures you seem to have issues with pale into insignificance when you see the ongoing erosion of the British way of life and standards we have become accustomed to over several decades as a result of our open policy with regards to immigration imposed on us by our Brussels Beaurocrats . This country is under tremendous pressure to absorb such migrants and these proposed measures are simply the result of what we have brought upon ourselves . Rather than bleating over the consequences I suggest you address the causes and Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is . The only difference is that he will never become Prime Minister and actually have to 'face the music ' . In the meantime , Wilkos have some really good offers on cheap nails and screws ideal for the construction of placards should you feel compelled in this direction . Said with good humour, this sounds to me like someone who is genuinely concerned about the direction our great country is going in, and is frustrated that the Labour party, where his heart lies, is not representing him. We don't want rule by the EU beurocrats, but we don't want rule by the Tories either, so where does the ordinary "socialist" person put their vote? Indeed....I think that's a fair dilemma for millions of disenfranchised "socialists" . Personally , I have no social conscience in relation to any political party anymore because rather that bemoaning the consequences , I prefer to tackle the causes and aim to vote in such a way that will reflect this . The hard left seem to have a problem of casting off the shackles of their party , whereas I tend to look at the bigger picture and what's best for the country as a whole . I am no big fan of Cameron but equally the same applies to Corbyn . The difference is that one is electable and the other bordering on the clinically insane . That leaves me with an out vote and a vote for Farage . I say Farage deliberately as I still see UKIP as a ' one trick pony ' to a great extent but as the saying goes " it's any port in a storm . You could describe my situation as a protest vote , but it's more than that . UKIP is still a very young party and I am prepared to see how it develops and moves forward .......Voting for either major party for me is no longer a possibility . I believe that the time has come for people to no longer vote along party lines , but instead to vote according with their hearts and fears .
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Post by salopstick on Mar 15, 2016 22:18:02 GMT
Lest there were any doubt about the Governments motives. 1st they imposed a 7 day week on Drs, Now they are trying to impose an 8am - 8pm 6 day week on Civil Servants, now they are going to impose academy teaching on all schools, this will cast your children's education to the wind. All major ideological changes to Public Sector workers. These are changes on the very parts of our society that have already being going through huge schanges over recent years. It's a blatant attempt to undermine the fundamental structures of society. They don't give a £@#&, cause they either don't use these services or go private. Those structures you seem to have issues with pale into insignificance when you see the ongoing erosion of the British way of life and standards we have become accustomed to over several decades as a result of our open policy with regards to immigration imposed on us by our Brussels Beaurocrats . This country is under tremendous pressure to absorb such migrants and these proposed measures are simply the result of what we have brought upon ourselves . Rather than bleating over the consequences I suggest you address the causes and Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is . The only difference is that he will never become Prime Minister and actually have to 'face the music ' . In the meantime , Wilkos have some really good offers on cheap nails and screws ideal for the construction of placards should you feel compelled in this direction . We've missed you mumfies
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Post by mumf on Mar 15, 2016 22:22:03 GMT
Those structures you seem to have issues with pale into insignificance when you see the ongoing erosion of the British way of life and standards we have become accustomed to over several decades as a result of our open policy with regards to immigration imposed on us by our Brussels Beaurocrats . This country is under tremendous pressure to absorb such migrants and these proposed measures are simply the result of what we have brought upon ourselves . Rather than bleating over the consequences I suggest you address the causes and Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is . The only difference is that he will never become Prime Minister and actually have to 'face the music ' . In the meantime , Wilkos have some really good offers on cheap nails and screws ideal for the construction of placards should you feel compelled in this direction . We've missed you mumfies I love you too...Pike . Have you noticed how the viewing figures have gone up ? ....Its been like "The winter of discontent " on here but you are far to young to remember that .... Vote insanity .....You know it makes sense .
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Post by salopstick on Mar 15, 2016 22:23:35 GMT
Wilkos is upmarket for you
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Post by mumf on Mar 15, 2016 22:28:35 GMT
Wilkos is upmarket for you Thats true .....but I had a windfall at Crufts
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 15, 2016 22:44:15 GMT
Lest there were any doubt about the Governments motives. 1st they imposed a 7 day week on Drs, Now they are trying to impose an 8am - 8pm 6 day week on Civil Servants, now they are going to impose academy teaching on all schools, this will cast your children's education to the wind. All major ideological changes to Public Sector workers. These are changes on the very parts of our society that have already being going through huge schanges over recent years. It's a blatant attempt to undermine the fundamental structures of society. They don't give a £@#&, cause they either don't use these services or go private. Those structures you seem to have issues with pale into insignificance when you see the ongoing erosion of the British way of life and standards we have become accustomed to over several decades as a result of our open policy with regards to immigration imposed on us by our Brussels Beaurocrats . This country is under tremendous pressure to absorb such migrants and these proposed measures are simply the result of what we have brought upon ourselves . Rather than bleating over the consequences I suggest you address the causes and Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is . The only difference is that he will never become Prime Minister and actually have to 'face the music ' . In the meantime , Wilkos have some really good offers on cheap nails and screws ideal for the construction of placards should you feel compelled in this direction . WTF R U Talking about!?!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 15, 2016 22:50:03 GMT
Said with good humour, this sounds to me like someone who is genuinely concerned about the direction our great country is going in, and is frustrated that the Labour party, where his heart lies, is not representing him. We don't want rule by the EU beurocrats, but we don't want rule by the Tories either, so where does the ordinary "socialist" person put their vote? Indeed....I think that's a fair dilemma for millions of disenfranchised "socialists" . Personally , I have no social conscience in relation to any political party anymore because rather that bemoaning the consequences , I prefer to tackle the causes and aim to vote in such a way that will reflect this . The hard left seem to have a problem of casting off the shackles of their party , whereas I tend to look at the bigger picture and what's best for the country as a whole . I am no big fan of Cameron but equally the same applies to Corbyn . The difference is that one is electable and the other bordering on the clinically insane . That leaves me with an out vote and a vote for Farage . I say Farage deliberately as I still see UKIP as a ' one trick pony ' to a great extent but as the saying goes " it's any port in a storm . You could describe my situation as a protest vote , but it's more than that . UKIP is still a very young party and I am prepared to see how it develops and moves forward .......Voting for either major party for me is no longer a possibility . I believe that the time has come for people to no longer vote along party lines , but instead to vote according with their hearts and fears . I think that you are right. I want to vote for a "Labour" party but can't. I think that it has lost its direction, conviction and soul. The Corbynites think that he is a breath of fresh air , but in reality they are just playing the game. Has little to offer for the old working class family units nor does it offer any real hope for the young ( white in particular) working class. Good for minority rights, but, as important as this is, this isn't what the majority of the disenfranchised are primarily bothered about. Without bringing those on board they will never be an effective party. On a simple level , if they had backed Brexit, as I felt that Corbyn had really wanted ,they could have been in the driving seat now. As it is they are not even in the debate.
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Post by mumf on Mar 15, 2016 23:02:43 GMT
Yes , whilst I agree with a lot of what you say there John ....I don't share your view about If Corbyn had preferred to take the party down the 'Out' route that he would have been in the driving seat . I think he would have had more support ...but certainly nothing to restore any reasonable credibility . He's a dead loss . The party is a complete shambles and the sad decline started with Milliband . Corbyn has now hammered the final nails into Labours coffin . Those who have hunkered in behind him have done themselves no favours either . They have effectively put themselves out on a limb in the hope that they can hang on in their seats for a short while longer .
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 15, 2016 23:22:14 GMT
Yes , whilst I agree with a lot of what you say there John ....I don't share your view about If Corbyn had preferred to take the party down the 'Out' route that he would have been in the driving seat . I think he would have had more support ...but certainly nothing to restore any reasonable credibility . He's a dead loss . The party is a complete shambles and the sad decline started with Milliband . Corbyn has now hammered the final nails into Labours coffin . Those who have hunkered in behind him have done themselves no favours either . They have effectively put themselves out on a limb in the hope that they can hang on in their seats for a short while longer . Ric, I was a bit hesitant in saying that, and I thought that it is what you might say....I don't know. I just think that at least if he /the party had not appeared to be so scared to actually take a stance on something that matters that they may have appeared more credible. I just think that if they had favoured Brexit, people would at least have given them a platform. As it stands the Labour party seems have nowhere to go ,if the choice is either Corbynites or Blairite/chukkites . The working class are not stupid and know that neither truly represent them. We need a Socialist UKIP party(a dangerous concept in a different era!). Unlike you I dont think that they are a one trick pony (although they suffer from the two party system).. their policies on ,,,,,putting the UK first, HS2, the Health service are more in line with popular opinion than the other parties. If the referendum is lost,they will actually grow in strength, BUT if we get our democracy back, I have no idea which party would be best to represent the working class, I am not sure that it would be UKIP , but neither of the two other old parties, with their traditional self interest ,seem capable.
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Post by mumf on Mar 16, 2016 0:01:47 GMT
What the British public now face John , is a determined concerted effort by all three parties to convince us to stay in Europe using all manner of scare stories and spurious 'facts' to cast doubt over our possible exit .
They will make the case to stay in paramount and draw on their formidable resources to achieve this .
At no time will we the British public be encouraged to dwell and ponder as to what has gone before . We effectively will not be allowed to draw on our experiences over the last 40 years . The historical significance and experience is nil and void .
This is how this run-up to the vote will go .
As to the outcome ....well that's the difficult bit . Being honest and blunt ....I have very little faith in the BRitish publics ability to make the right decision for the reasons I have given . What we all need to do is to look beyond our own personal interests and intricacies in favour of what is best for the country long term .
Whatecer the outcome of June 23rd , I see the period afterwards as a period of redifinement . If we vote out , then we all need to pull together to make our exit fromEurope work . I see there being a temporary decline in UK confidence and a certain amount of otracisation from our former partners in Europe but hopefully nothing too significant or crippling . The major danger and fear is if the money markets and Insurance houses then decide to pull out of London in preference for a move to Europe . The Germans and the French would be only too happy to accommodate this .
Party politics would then take some time to re-adjust and re-align itself with its core support and plans . In the short term little will change on this front , but in the case of UKIP the aftermath of the EU referendum will be life or death , shit or bust .
Suffice to say that if anyone is about to take their pension in the next 12 months then be prepared to suffer a large hit as stock markets in the UK will undoubtedly take a very big hit . Don't take out any unit linked saving plans just yet either ....Wait until a good 12 months afterwards .
Which reminds me ....I need a new biscuit tin .
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 16, 2016 0:46:22 GMT
Indeed....I think that's a fair dilemma for millions of disenfranchised "socialists" . Personally , I have no social conscience in relation to any political party anymore because rather that bemoaning the consequences , I prefer to tackle the causes and aim to vote in such a way that will reflect this . The hard left seem to have a problem of casting off the shackles of their party , whereas I tend to look at the bigger picture and what's best for the country as a whole . I am no big fan of Cameron but equally the same applies to Corbyn . The difference is that one is electable and the other bordering on the clinically insane . That leaves me with an out vote and a vote for Farage . I say Farage deliberately as I still see UKIP as a ' one trick pony ' to a great extent but as the saying goes " it's any port in a storm . You could describe my situation as a protest vote , but it's more than that . UKIP is still a very young party and I am prepared to see how it develops and moves forward .......Voting for either major party for me is no longer a possibility . I believe that the time has come for people to no longer vote along party lines , but instead to vote according with their hearts and fears . I think that you are right. I want to vote for a "Labour" party but can't. I think that it has lost its direction, conviction and soul. The Corbynites think that he is a breath of fresh air , but in reality they are just playing the game. Has little to offer for the old working class family units nor does it offer any real hope for the young ( white in particular) working class. Good for minority rights, but, as important as this is, this isn't what the majority of the disenfranchised are primarily bothered about. Without bringing those on board they will never be an effective party. On a simple level , if they had backed Brexit, as I felt that Corbyn had really wanted ,they could have been in the driving seat now. As it is they are not even in the debate. I think there are similar forces at work here that has caused Trump to be a/the Presidential front runner in the States (God help us). People are realising that the mainstream politicians aren't actually doing what's best for the majority of working people (despite continually telling us so). People hunt for something different - even if it's something completely fucked up like Trump. But it/he at a least looks as though its not just an establishment supporting politician in it support the status quo and help the establishment retain it's position.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 7:53:28 GMT
I have said it before, and I will say it again, what our country misses more than anything is a tangible opposition, an opposition that will challenge the government, whether it is Tory or Labour, an opposition that offers the electorate an decent alternative. Look at recent governments making unpopular decisions... Tories...Poll Tax...No opposition. Labour...Lying twat Blair took us to war...No opposition. Now what the Tories are doing, and believe me as a dyed in the wool Tory I am well pissed off...No opposition. Corbynski and the clowns that voted for him have given the Tories a mandate to do exactly what they want, Labour are totally unelectable, and the Tories under new leadership, as Cameron has already said he is stepping down, will absolutely destroy him. What Labour need to do NOW is dump the IRA loving idiot and get a media friendly likeable figure in, much like they did with the lying war mongering idiot Blair. What will be interesting is to see when Cameron steps down, and who will be elected leader, but with Corbynski in charge it is fairly irrelevant. I for one hope and pray it is not Bo Jo...Bufoon of the highest order.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 16, 2016 8:22:42 GMT
Lest there were any doubt about the Governments motives. 1st they imposed a 7 day week on Drs, Now they are trying to impose an 8am - 8pm 6 day week on Civil Servants, now they are going to impose academy teaching on all schools, this will cast your children's education to the wind. All major ideological changes to Public Sector workers. These are changes on the very parts of our society that have already being going through huge schanges over recent years. It's a blatant attempt to undermine the fundamental structures of society. They don't give a £@#&, cause they either don't use these services or go private. Those structures you seem to have issues with pale into insignificance when you see the ongoing erosion of the British way of life and standards we have become accustomed to over several decades as a result of our open policy with regards to immigration imposed on us by our Brussels Beaurocrats . This country is under tremendous pressure to absorb such migrants and these proposed measures are simply the result of what we have brought upon ourselves . Rather than bleating over the consequences I suggest you address the causes and Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is . The only difference is that he will never become Prime Minister and actually have to 'face the music ' . In the meantime , Wilkos have some really good offers on cheap nails and screws ideal for the construction of placards should you feel compelled in this direction . "Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is" What a load of shit this comment is.
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Post by mumf on Mar 16, 2016 8:27:20 GMT
Those structures you seem to have issues with pale into insignificance when you see the ongoing erosion of the British way of life and standards we have become accustomed to over several decades as a result of our open policy with regards to immigration imposed on us by our Brussels Beaurocrats . This country is under tremendous pressure to absorb such migrants and these proposed measures are simply the result of what we have brought upon ourselves . Rather than bleating over the consequences I suggest you address the causes and Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is . The only difference is that he will never become Prime Minister and actually have to 'face the music ' . In the meantime , Wilkos have some really good offers on cheap nails and screws ideal for the construction of placards should you feel compelled in this direction . "Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is" What a load of shit this comment is. So are two rather crude and antgonistic sentences my dear....
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 16, 2016 8:33:52 GMT
"Corbyn is just as culpable as Cameron is" What a load of shit this comment is. So are two rather crude and antgonistic sentences my dear.... One has been in charge of the country since 2005, the other hasn't even been in charge of his party for 12 months. You're talking nonsense.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 16, 2016 8:38:22 GMT
I have said it before, and I will say it again, what our country misses more than anything is a tangible opposition, an opposition that will challenge the government, whether it is Tory or Labour, an opposition that offers the electorate an decent alternative. Look at recent governments making unpopular decisions... Tories...Poll Tax...No opposition. Labour...Lying twat Blair took us to war...No opposition. Now what the Tories are doing, and believe me as a dyed in the wool Tory I am well pissed off...No opposition. Corbynski and the clowns that voted for him have given the Tories a mandate to do exactly what they want, Labour are totally unelectable, and the Tories under new leadership, as Cameron has already said he is stepping down, will absolutely destroy him. What Labour need to do NOW is dump the IRA loving idiot and get a media friendly likeable figure in, much like they did with the lying war mongering idiot Blair. What will be interesting is to see when Cameron steps down, and who will be elected leader, but with Corbynski in charge it is fairly irrelevant. I for one hope and pray it is not Bo Jo...Bufoon of the highest order. Yes, or much more revolutionary, Proportional representation. We have been indoctrinated that the two party system, which serves the Political elite and status quo is the only way. You wouldn't run a business or a household based on two supposedly opposing fractions, swapping the lead every five or ten years, when one lot runs out of steam (okay some marriages are like this!).Cooperation and concensus would have to happen.It's not naive and weak. Of course it will not happen because it is not in the interest of the big two. It would scare them to death. And I am not talking about the coalition government, which was collusion for self interest and an extension of the two party system.
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Post by mumf on Mar 16, 2016 8:42:22 GMT
Rick grimes ....It may have passed your attention , but Corbyns plans on europe are no different than that of Camerons .
He's following the same path . It doesnt really matter anyway , because he'll be getting kicked out soon . Trust me .
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 16, 2016 8:52:58 GMT
Rick grimes ....It may have passed your attention , but Corbyns plans on europe are no different than that of Camerons . He's following the same path . It doesnt really matter anyway , because he'll be getting kicked out soon . Trust me . How will you feel if the people of this country vote to stay in the EU?
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Post by mumf on Mar 16, 2016 9:00:48 GMT
Has anyone noticed how the debates on here are begining to mirror the policy by the Labour partys stance nationally.? Have you noticed why its better to say nothing or as little as possible here and there so as not to bring attention to the labour partys fiasco . Its a ploy or tactic that they obviously think will work but seem to ignore the fact that Corbyn is the most unpopular labour leader in history ...yes thats right in History . They are tactics that are as weak and feeble as those that are making them and that of their pathetic leader. By the middle of June be prepared to see Corbyn hugging and kissing Cameron as they unite over Europe and why we should stay in .....
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Post by mumf on Mar 16, 2016 9:03:24 GMT
Rick grimes ....It may have passed your attention , but Corbyns plans on europe are no different than that of Camerons . He's following the same path . It doesnt really matter anyway , because he'll be getting kicked out soon . Trust me . How will you feel if the people of this country vote to stay in the EU? I will feel disapponted and sorrowful for all those soldiers who gave their lives for our freedom in two world wars .
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 16, 2016 9:11:05 GMT
Rick grimes ....It may have passed your attention , but Corbyns plans on europe are no different than that of Camerons . He's following the same path . It doesnt really matter anyway , because he'll be getting kicked out soon . Trust me . We can slag Corbyn to the hilt, but he is leader of the opposition as a reaction to what we're being spoon fed. Labour had a credible leader in Gordon Brown, but the electorate marginally put more ticks next to the Iggle Piggle looky-likey. Looking at it all in hindsight, I wonder who they'd vote for if they went head to head today...
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 16, 2016 9:13:21 GMT
How will you feel if the people of this country vote to stay in the EU? I will feel disapponted and sorrowful for all those soldiers who gave their lives for our freedom in two world wars . We'll still have our freedom if we decide to stay in the EU.
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