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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 13, 2016 16:38:05 GMT
I'll try this again: When teams sit deep and don't give us any space, how is a lone striker supposed to make the runs when there aren't any gaps? And there aren't any gaps in large part because the rest of the team isn't making those runs in the final third either to open up the space, or they're ignoring the striker or others when they do make the runs and hold on to the ball too long? They didn't sit deep yesterday Rob , perfect game for jos IMO Not as deep as, say, Watford did, they flooded the midfield and left space out wide. But Diouf constantly had 3-4 players round him. There was no way for him to play on the shoulder of the last defender. And this has been a problem regardless of who starts up front. So how do you make those runs when you're a lone striker against a team who set their stall out to defend and pick you off on the break?
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 13, 2016 16:42:52 GMT
They didn't sit deep yesterday Rob , perfect game for jos IMO Not as deep as, say, Watford did, they flooded the midfield and left space out wide. But Diouf constantly had 3-4 players round him. There was no way for him to play on the shoulder of the last defender. And this has been a problem regardless of who starts up front. So how do you make those runs when you're a lone striker against a team who set their stall out to defend and pick you off on the break? They defended well and they still managed to get 3 or 4 players breaking into our box when they went forward
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 13, 2016 16:44:04 GMT
Not as deep as, say, Watford did, they flooded the midfield and left space out wide. But Diouf constantly had 3-4 players round him. There was no way for him to play on the shoulder of the last defender. And this has been a problem regardless of who starts up front. So how do you make those runs when you're a lone striker against a team who set their stall out to defend and pick you off on the break? They defended well and they still managed to get 3 or 4 players breaking into our box when they went forward That'll be the 'pick us off on the break' stuff I mentioned.
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 13, 2016 17:14:07 GMT
I can not for the life of me see how Jos is not picked over Diouf every week. He was coming into some great form when he was starting a few weeks back. Given the chance, he'll work wonders for this club. I can't see what else he has to do to start, he's our best striker IMO Both are decent players and both usually struggle when playing on their own up front - especially at home.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 13, 2016 18:04:21 GMT
Why not play them together in a 4-4-2?
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Mar 13, 2016 23:00:19 GMT
Diouf has to try and get the ball out of his feet before striking it, should have done better but it wasn't an absolute sitter. 2nd game back in his natural position and should start at Watford for me..... Spot on.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 14, 2016 9:52:54 GMT
Why not play them together in a 4-4-2? Who do you drop from midfield?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 14, 2016 9:55:27 GMT
Why not play them together in a 4-4-2? Who do you drop from midfield? That's the burning question. Reluctantly, it'd probably be Afellay. If Shaq's injured he could play wide right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 9:57:14 GMT
With Shaqiri injured, we'll end up with something like this:
Afellay Imbula Whelan Arnautovic
..........Bojan
................Joselu
not quite a 4-4-2 but very close.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 14, 2016 10:05:46 GMT
With Shaqiri injured, we'll end up with something like this: Afellay Imbula Whelan Arnautovic ..........Bojan ................Joselu not quite a 4-4-2 but very close. Doubt it, although would like to see that or Jos and Diouf together However expect to see Walters wide right and Diouf or Jose on their tod up front
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Post by metalhead on Mar 14, 2016 10:41:33 GMT
Who do you drop from midfield? That's the burning question. Reluctantly, it'd probably be Afellay. If Shaq's injured he could play wide right? Can't drop Afellay, only player who seems to consistently perform.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 14, 2016 10:44:18 GMT
That's the burning question. Reluctantly, it'd probably be Afellay. If Shaq's injured he could play wide right? Can't drop Afellay, only player who seems to consistently perform. Something has to change at home though.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 14, 2016 10:51:49 GMT
Can't drop Afellay, only player who seems to consistently perform. Something has to change at home though. Go on....
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Post by borat on Mar 14, 2016 10:55:38 GMT
Funny this board, Walters starts then everyone wants Diouf, Diouf starts then they want Joselu, If Joselu started some would probably want Crouch!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 14, 2016 11:02:28 GMT
Something has to change at home though. Go on.... Well we've either got to work on moving the ball more quickly in training and getting our creative players to actually run at defenders and open up space, or introduce another striker so we've got more to aim for, or revisit the false nine... What are your suggestions?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 11:24:18 GMT
Straight 4-3-3 for me with Bojan and Arnautovic tucked in alongside Diouf.
Afellay Whelan Imbula
Bojan Diouf Arnautovic
I'd even be tempted to sacrifice Pieters for Muniesa for the odd game to help with our distribution going forward, Erik is far and away the better defender but against teams that sit back the benefits of having someone who can pass to his own player might be a massive benefit. Need to get likes of Bojan and Arnie in that area between midfield and defence where they can stretch the opposition and play in Diouf on the shoulder of their centre backs.
Above all we need to raise the intensity by 10%, we're allowing teams to get back in their positions at the moment with our slow build up, the out ball from Butland and the defence needs to be Afellay not Whelan, bloody love Glenn but he takes two touches at times where others only need one....
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 14, 2016 11:30:59 GMT
Funny this board, Walters starts then everyone wants Diouf, Diouf starts then they want Joselu, If Joselu started some would probably want Crouch! That's Stoke fans for you; consistently inconsistent. reminds me of a football team I watch!
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Post by metalhead on Mar 14, 2016 11:34:49 GMT
Well we've either got to work on moving the ball more quickly in training and getting our creative players to actually run at defenders and open up space, or introduce another striker so we've got more to aim for, or revisit the false nine... What are your suggestions? I would have given Joselu more of a run this season, but right now, I don't have any concrete suggestions.
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Post by jarvinski on Mar 14, 2016 11:47:56 GMT
None of them are premier league strikers, crouch diouf walters or joselu
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Mar 14, 2016 11:54:26 GMT
None of them are premier league strikers, crouch diouf walters or joselu Based on the fact that they've all scored goals in the role of 'striker' may I suggest that you are wrong.
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Post by superheroantonius on Mar 14, 2016 15:45:23 GMT
There was a profile on horse racing trainer Dan Skeleton in the Sun and he said the best advice he ever had was from racehorse owner and former football manager Alex Ferguson... 'make a decision and stick to it, that's what brave people do ' It's time for sparky to either start Joselu every match then keep him or sell depending on how he does. Or start Diouf every match, then keep him or sell him. It's time to be brave and stop messing both players about and giving neither their chance.
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Post by skip on Mar 14, 2016 16:00:52 GMT
I love Diouf but I vote for the Lucky Cat to get a run of games.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Mar 14, 2016 16:33:15 GMT
we need midfield players to get beyond the strikers more often, opposing centre backs rarely have 2 men to mark. When Arnie goes into the box the results are clear but Imbula or Afellay/Bojan should have been doing this on Saturday. First ahlf in particular, when Imbula got the ball, Whelan was next to him, or even bizarrely given Whelan's lack of pace or trickery, in front of him, and Afellay close by. Easy to shut us down
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2016 18:34:50 GMT
Why not play them together in a 4-4-2? Who do you drop from midfield? I don't know. Rob's reluctant suggestion might be the best we've got.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 14, 2016 22:18:55 GMT
Who do you drop from midfield? I don't know. Rob's reluctant suggestion might be the best we've got. We did the Joselu and Diouf 4-4-2 against Arsenal at theirs. We lost but it wasn't so bad, but he abandoned it second half. Hughes has used two up top to finish games though. Would like both Jos and Diouf given a go. Still interested to see what Joselu's best game is. Does great work outside the box, so would like to see more of him in a partnership.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 15, 2016 2:04:47 GMT
That's the burning question. Reluctantly, it'd probably be Afellay. If Shaq's injured he could play wide right? Can't drop Afellay, only player who seems to consistently perform. I agree. Why is Whelan an automatic pick? I like him a lot; however, he is not entitled to start. In the last two matches he's been substituted with Bojan and it didn't hurt us. Why not start that way and hit them hard from the get go? Assuming Shaqiri and Shawcross are out, why not try: 4-3-2-1 Butland Muniesa Cameron Wollscheid Pieters (capt) Imbula Affelay Shenton Bojan Arnie Joselu and, if go behind switching to 4-4-2 Butland Muniesa Cameron Wollscheid Pieters (capt) Shenton Imbula Affelay Arnie Bojan Joselu PS: And tell them they're playing for a place on the team next season and all we need to see for 90 minutes is "assholes and elbows". Anything less and they be on loan at the Vale.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 15, 2016 7:18:50 GMT
Can't drop Afellay, only player who seems to consistently perform. I agree. Why is Whelan an automatic pick? I like him a lot; however, he is not entitled to start. In the last two matches he's been substituted with Bojan and it didn't hurt us. Why not start that way and hit them hard from the get go? Assuming Shaqiri and Shawcross are out, why not try: 4-3-2-1 Butland Muniesa Cameron Wollscheid Pieters (capt) Imbula Affelay Shenton Bojan Arnie Joselu and, if go behind switching to 4-4-2 Butland Muniesa Cameron Wollscheid Pieters (capt) Shenton Imbula Affelay Arnie Bojan Joselu PS: And tell them they're playing for a place on the team next season and all we need to see for 90 minutes is "assholes and elbows". Anything less and they be on loan at the Vale. Whelan is an automatic pick because nobody else is disciplined enough to play the holding role and it shows pretty quickly when he doesn't play. It did on Saturday, it did when we failed to win 75% of the games he didn't start last season, and it'll show til we sign another proper holding midfield player. Ask Imbula to do that and you neuter his main strength. Can you see Afellay sitting deep and holding his position? He played that role years ago at PSV but tracking runners isn't exactly his specialty.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 7:23:52 GMT
It amazes me how many people have Bojan in their teams. He's done nothing to warrant a starting place. For me he needs a full pre-season and let's take it from there. Im worried to be honest.
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Post by malisastokie on Mar 15, 2016 7:37:08 GMT
Diouf for all his hard work continually misses chances which Joselu would take.
Did anybody see Bojan,s face when Diouf managed not to take a chance v Southampton, his face said it all...............how did you miss that chance !!!!!!!
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Post by misterj on Mar 15, 2016 19:51:07 GMT
agree with jarvinski, we don't have a PL striker, sell any 3 from 4 and buy summat decent ?
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