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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 14:28:45 GMT
McClaren has always been overrated for me.....he had a fan run to the dug out at middlesbourgh... and throw his season ticket book at him
how he got the England job I will never know.....perhaps it was a fifa type appointment
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 14:29:45 GMT
Mark Hughes, if we still had Pulis we might be challenging for the title like Leicester are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 14:33:22 GMT
Mcclaren overrated? Never,anyone who knows anything about football knows he's a wank manager  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 14:50:40 GMT
Mcclaren overrated? Never,anyone who knows anything about football knows he's a wank manager and still he's overrated at 'wank manager' |
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 11, 2016 14:57:54 GMT
I think being Fergie's assistant seems to carry a lot of kudos in football.
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Post by stokiejohnss on Mar 11, 2016 15:01:47 GMT
Sven
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Post by superheroantonius on Mar 11, 2016 15:08:08 GMT
Martinez
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Post by mondeoman on Mar 11, 2016 15:17:49 GMT
Pep, Fergie, Bob Paisley, Alan A'court and George Eastham.
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Post by mozzer68 on Mar 11, 2016 15:21:17 GMT
Definitely Martinez
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Mar 11, 2016 15:30:51 GMT
Overrated managers tend to be excellent coaches.
A lot of chairman don't seem to understand that there's a big difference between being an excellent coach and an excellent manager and just think "well, he's a great coach, so if i don't allow him control of transfers, whats the difference".
Chairman want someone they can control but forget that players aren't daft, they know when the manager has power and influence at a club and when he doesn't. And that can impact severely on the managers effectiveness.
Someone like McClaren comes into Newcastle, and he's desperate, he'll accept any terms to get the job at a club that size. The players who come in aren't his players, they have no respect for him and they know he'll be out the door shortly anyway.
It's a recipe for disaster that can only be countered by one thing, consistency. The sort of consistency that Peter Coates has shown. You could argue he let TP go a season too long, but the fact he has stuck with a manager through 7 seasons, and the next one through another 3, sends a message to the players. The manager is going nowhere, and will be backed by the board.
My main concern when we appointed Hughes was that the QRP debacle would lead him to promise the world on a shoestring of a budget, as it was fairly clearly PC wanted to tighten the purse strings for a few transfer windows at least. Or that he would agree to give up too much control over players coming in.
Thankfully that seem not to be the case and we have struck a decent balance in terms of recruitment, and after a few bargains the manager now clearly has the complete trust of the board as far as players comin in goes.
A manager has to at least appear to be in control, if there isn't even the illusion of power, as in Mclarens case, you're fucked.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 11, 2016 15:36:14 GMT
I think I've come to the conclusion that I despise Martinez and everything he represents, he's done shit all in the Prem apart from turning a solid team into relegation fodder, finally taking them down, some how landing a better job and is now fucking them up too, style over substance (not his poorly fitted suits) and unfortunately the thick fuckers will keep lapping it up. |
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 11, 2016 15:38:07 GMT
I think I've come to the conclusion that I despise Martinez and everything he represents, he's done shit all in the Prem apart from turning a solid team into relegation fodder, finally taking them down, some how landing a better job and is now fucking them up too, style over substance (not his poorly fitted suits) and unfortunately the thick fuckers will keep lapping it up. He did brilliant and swansea. Winning the fa cup with Wigan Is a brilliant achievement too. |
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Post by foster on Mar 11, 2016 15:38:18 GMT
Mourinho - No excuse for how shit Chelsea were earlier in the season.
Guardiola - unproven until he actually manages a side which isn't already the best in its respective league and has the most money.
LVG - Looking at United now I don't see how he's any better than Moyes. Spent a fortune and still can't score goals.
Giggs - Already touted as a future Man United manager. A disaster waiting to happen
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Post by metalhead on Mar 11, 2016 15:38:49 GMT
Martinez for sure. I think Paul Merson's rant about him was pure genius.
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Post by greystokie on Mar 11, 2016 15:43:30 GMT
I think being Fergie's assistant seems to carry a lot of kudos in football. McLaren is a very good training ground coach - as demonstrated at Manyoo. It's his management skills that are crap |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 11, 2016 15:45:42 GMT
I think I've come to the conclusion that I despise Martinez and everything he represents, he's done shit all in the Prem apart from turning a solid team into relegation fodder, finally taking them down, some how landing a better job and is now fucking them up too, style over substance (not his poorly fitted suits) and unfortunately the thick fuckers will keep lapping it up. He did brilliant and swansea. Winning the fa cup with Wigan Is a brilliant achievement too. He's done fuck all in the Prem, yep he won the FA cup, it was well timed for him to hide his inadequacies, league over cup every time. |
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Mar 11, 2016 15:47:43 GMT
Schteve did a good job at FC Twente winning the Dutch league with an unfancied outfit .. at newcastle like the other "Managers" he was handed a squad bought by others and signings decided by others so some mitigation. He did a good job at Boro but was shite at England & Derby so maybe its case of who his employers are and how much influence they exert..
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 11, 2016 15:48:04 GMT
Definitely Martinez.
The only impressive thing about him is that shine he's got on his cranium.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 11, 2016 15:51:20 GMT
I think I've come to the conclusion that I despise Martinez and everything he represents, he's done shit all in the Prem apart from turning a solid team into relegation fodder, finally taking them down, some how landing a better job and is now fucking them up too, style over substance (not his poorly fitted suits) and unfortunately the thick fuckers will keep lapping it up. Not the Everton fans I know, they're absolutely sick of him and want him gone. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 11, 2016 15:53:23 GMT
I think I've come to the conclusion that I despise Martinez and everything he represents, he's done shit all in the Prem apart from turning a solid team into relegation fodder, finally taking them down, some how landing a better job and is now fucking them up too, style over substance (not his poorly fitted suits) and unfortunately the thick fuckers will keep lapping it up. Not the Everton fans I know, they're absolutely sick of him and want him gone. I'm not surprised, they've got some good players and all he's managing is mid table, even if he was to go he'd still get another Prem job. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 11, 2016 15:55:53 GMT
I think I've come to the conclusion that I despise Martinez and everything he represents, he's done shit all in the Prem apart from turning a solid team into relegation fodder, finally taking them down, some how landing a better job and is now fucking them up too, style over substance (not his poorly fitted suits) and unfortunately the thick fuckers will keep lapping it up. Not the Everton fans I know, they're absolutely sick of him and want him gone. same here mate. know a few of them and they're seeing what everyone else did before he got there...knows how to build a quick attacking side but hasn't the foggiest when it comes to building a really solid CM and back 4. can be dangerous going forwards but an absolute shower at the back...just like Wigan were! as i've said many many times, if he had a Yorkshire accent a wore a trackie instead of a sharp suit no-one would have paid him any attention after getting Wigan relegated. |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 11, 2016 16:04:08 GMT
Not the Everton fans I know, they're absolutely sick of him and want him gone. same here mate. know a few of them and they're seeing what everyone else did before he got there...knows how to build a quick attacking side but hasn't the foggiest when it comes to building a really solid CM and back 4. can be dangerous going forwards but an absolute shower at the back...just like Wigan were! as i've said many many times, if he had a Yorkshire accent a wore a trackie instead of a sharp suit no-one would have paid him any attention after getting Wigan relegated. Another major bugbear they have is that he is apparently a pathological excuse-maker... referees, injuries, you name it - even off the pitch, one example given was when Everton lost out on a player to West Ham, "Brown Shoes" (as they call him) claimed the player "wasn't right for Everton" - despite the fact he'd just made an offer of 4m quid for him  |
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 11, 2016 16:08:02 GMT
Benitez, Martinez and Mancini.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 11, 2016 16:11:43 GMT
Benitez, Martinez and Mancini. How are Benitez and Mancini overrated? Both have cracking records. |
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Mar 11, 2016 16:12:56 GMT
Wenger
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 11, 2016 16:26:31 GMT
Why? He consistently "wins" them their trophy of competing for the title then imploding and being content with just top 4 every season. Fair enough they do fuck all in the champs league when they get there but they're just bonus games anyway 
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 11, 2016 16:31:35 GMT
Avram Grant.
You know he won the Champions League?
Also didn't bother turning up at the Brit when facing relegation when he was with West Ham due to Yom Kippur.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 16:35:46 GMT
Peter Reid
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Post by outspaced on Mar 11, 2016 16:47:00 GMT
Martin O'Neill.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 11, 2016 17:26:10 GMT
Benitez, Martinez and Mancini. How are Benitez and Mancini overrated? Both have cracking records. Benitez has a CV featuring failure after failure. He started the rot at Liverpool, which they've never recovered from. He was rubbish at Inter, he was rubbish at Napoli and he was rubbish at Real Madrid. He's nowhere near the semi-deity that Liverpool supporters paint him as. Mancini is alright if you give him all of the money in the world and ask him to win a league title. He hasn't got a clue how to approach European football, which is why Inter and Man City ditched him, and he'd be totally out of his depth at a club like Stoke. Had he worked his way up from the bottom, nobody would ever have heard of him. Oh, and I've seen his tactical ineptitude at the Brit, several times. |
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