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Post by Pugsley on Mar 7, 2016 21:38:43 GMT
The club have been fantastic in almost every aspect for several years now. I can see their reluctance to discuss the issue in depth because in all likelihood they aren't quite sure which way they want to proceed. However it's clearly getting a lot of fans talking/arguing about what may or may not happen. The good will that the club has built up is wavering ever so slightly because people are paying damn good money to get wet/ squeezed in concourses covered in urine (or whatever issue it may be). Would it be too much to ask for the club to make a brief statement along the lines of "we are looking into possible upgrading of facilities" or "we are looking into the feasibility of a new stadium" and then leave it at that for now. On this issue they are treating loyal fee paying customers like dimwits and that just isn't the right thing to do. It's as though they darent tell us of any motives they may have for fear of a backlash or some other negative imagined outcome. Come on stoke, tell us stokies what you are thinking ! Isn't the Supp Council the conduit for this? Pathetic.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 7, 2016 21:38:56 GMT
So the case for not adding 1,800 seats is because we might not sell every single one of them for every single match? Go & find me one, just one club on Planet Earth that sells every single seat for every single game... I'll save you the time, there isn't one! On the flip-side, go & look at lists of 'percent of capacity' in average attendance lists, you'll see Stoke City right near the top (If not at the very top) in all of them. But yeah, no need to expand 'cos we just anit got the fanbase. By giving away tickets, offering them to school kids that dampen the atmosphere and selling them on Groupon where people are only buying tickets on a folly. Let's carry this on and just kill the atmosphere altogether then. Lets reduce the capacity of the stadium to one seat, so just you can sit there you super fan, you. How dare we try & entice new fans to support the club, what scumbags we are. Who wants new fans at the ground, who wants kids being able to get tickets, who wants teenagers to be able get tickets with their mates. Fuck the lot of 'em. .... And this whole "We give thousands of tickets away each game" is absolute BULLSHIT. Just the other week Aston Villa had soldout weeks in advance, but we're such a shit, thick as fuck club that we didn't actually sell them for money to all the people who wanted tickets but couldn't get them, instead we gave them all away for free.
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 7, 2016 21:43:45 GMT
It should be front and centre all the time. We're in a golden period and now is the time to take advantage and grow the club and fanbase. I don't get the fear from Stoke City supporters over this. Small minded mentality that goes with the area. Sorry. Increasing the stadium will not increase the fanbase, success will. Stoke fans are born and bred in Stoke (for the most part) and I would imagine it's a generation thing, most supporters of Stoke follow the club because their family before them did etc. Your either an ST holder, the casual supporter who picks and chooses or the fair weather supporter who goes when they feel like it can afford. I haven't heard many complaints of non ST holders who are unhappy about not getting tickets game after game you may struggle on the bigger games but it isn't too difficult in general. The only way we will increase the fanbase is either A) a reduction in ticket prices either ST or match day (never going to happen Stoke already pride themselves on freezing the prices) B) become successful on the pitch and competing for trophies to gather what some would call the glory hunter supporter Just because you build it doesn't mean they will come, we are not going to convert vale fans to come to Stoke (maybe the odd glory hunter ????). Last week against Newcastle the ground was at most 75% full and tickets were on sale on groupon AGAIN something that has been a regular occurrence this season and again I can't imagine this is very successful who the hell goes on groupon to by football tickets? You may sell the odd chancer who sees it and thinks they'll give it a go but I can't imagine it's many. Maybe Petes theory is to build success on the field first by pumping the money into the playing squad, development squad, academy and training facilities to improve the playing side of things and if successful then improve the stadium. Our stadium isn't great but it's sufficient for our needs at the moment and I'm sure Pete and the family didn't get their billions in the fluke they are well educated business minded people and when they decide it's time I'm sure they will make the right decision. What is our fanbase? How do you define or quantify it? Maybe I haven't grasped your argument, but you appear to argue that our potential for selling tickets to see a Stoke match at the moment happens to coincide with the size the stadium was designed for 20 years ago. That's an unlikely coincidence! The plain fact is that the size of our "at the match" support is currently limited by the size of the ground. Just suppose, for the sake of argument, that 20 years ago we'd designed a stadium with a capacity of 50,000. What would our average attendance be now? I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be anywhere near 50,000, but I'm equally sure it would be somewhat more than the current 27,500 (or thereabouts).
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Post by miggo on Mar 7, 2016 21:51:16 GMT
By giving away tickets, offering them to school kids that dampen the atmosphere and selling them on Groupon where people are only buying tickets on a folly. Let's carry this on and just kill the atmosphere altogether then. Lets reduce the capacity of the stadium to one seat, so just you can sit there you super fan, you. How dare we try & entice new fans to support the club, what scumbags we are. Who wants new fans at the ground, who wants kids being able to get tickets, who wants teenagers to be able get tickets with their mates. Fuck the lot of 'em. .... And this whole "We give thousands of tickets away each game" is absolute BULLSHIT. Just the other week Aston Villa had soldout weeks in advance, but we're such a shit, thick as fuck club that we didn't actually sell them for money to all the people who wanted tickets but couldn't get them, instead we gave them all away for free. Not exactly the point I'm making but sure whatever. I'm not saying we give thousands I'm talking in the hundreds and I'm sure for the big games it's none at all. We get plenty of new fans to the stadium every season and like I've previously said there is no long list of people who miss games week in week out either if that was the case we would have increased by now as the demand would have deemed it and I'm sure the club wouldn't throw the money away just for the sake of it. The chairman has done wonderful things for the club and only has its best interest at heart but first and foremost he's a business man that looks after himself and his own first, when he decides to increase the capacity he will at the correct time that makes a decent business decision not just because some people think they know better.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Mar 7, 2016 21:51:35 GMT
Should we fill the corners in? Not sure, would we sell out? Certainly not, our average attendance is about 98%, not 100%.
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 7, 2016 21:52:18 GMT
A full ground is a good thing and I am certain there is no workable business case for 1800 extra seats. I wouldn't build if it was my club I know that. How can you be so certain? So Tescbury's look at building a new store in Elsewhereville. Now, the people of Elsewhereville aren't starving. They're all successfully buying their groceries somewhere, it's not like they're sitting at home not eating or anything. So on the face of it, there's no spare capacity in the local groceries market, all the potential custom is being catered for, so obviously there can't be a business case for putting a new shop there. But Tescbury's build their store anyway, and guess what? People come and do their shopping!
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Post by trigger on Mar 7, 2016 21:56:26 GMT
How about improving on what we've got instead of "just getting by" with spending nothing whatsoever, really is an ugly looking specimen of a stadium. Tired and cheap.
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 7, 2016 21:58:00 GMT
Lets reduce the capacity of the stadium to one seat, so just you can sit there you super fan, you. How dare we try & entice new fans to support the club, what scumbags we are. Who wants new fans at the ground, who wants kids being able to get tickets, who wants teenagers to be able get tickets with their mates. Fuck the lot of 'em. .... And this whole "We give thousands of tickets away each game" is absolute BULLSHIT. Just the other week Aston Villa had soldout weeks in advance, but we're such a shit, thick as fuck club that we didn't actually sell them for money to all the people who wanted tickets but couldn't get them, instead we gave them all away for free. Not exactly the point I'm making but sure whatever. I'm not saying we give thousands I'm talking in the hundreds and I'm sure for the big games it's none at all. We get plenty of new fans to the stadium every season and like I've previously said there is no long list of people who miss games week in week out either if that was the case we would have increased by now as the demand would have deemed it and I'm sure the club wouldn't throw the money away just for the sake of it. The chairman has done wonderful things for the club and only has its best interest at heart but first and foremost he's a business man that looks after himself and his own first, when he decides to increase the capacity he will at the correct time that makes a decent business decision not just because some people think they know better. How do you know? Has there been any attempt to make such a list? Has there been any market research to gauge the potential demand?
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Post by miggo on Mar 7, 2016 21:58:38 GMT
Increasing the stadium will not increase the fanbase, success will. Stoke fans are born and bred in Stoke (for the most part) and I would imagine it's a generation thing, most supporters of Stoke follow the club because their family before them did etc. Your either an ST holder, the casual supporter who picks and chooses or the fair weather supporter who goes when they feel like it can afford. I haven't heard many complaints of non ST holders who are unhappy about not getting tickets game after game you may struggle on the bigger games but it isn't too difficult in general. The only way we will increase the fanbase is either A) a reduction in ticket prices either ST or match day (never going to happen Stoke already pride themselves on freezing the prices) B) become successful on the pitch and competing for trophies to gather what some would call the glory hunter supporter Just because you build it doesn't mean they will come, we are not going to convert vale fans to come to Stoke (maybe the odd glory hunter ????). Last week against Newcastle the ground was at most 75% full and tickets were on sale on groupon AGAIN something that has been a regular occurrence this season and again I can't imagine this is very successful who the hell goes on groupon to by football tickets? You may sell the odd chancer who sees it and thinks they'll give it a go but I can't imagine it's many. Maybe Petes theory is to build success on the field first by pumping the money into the playing squad, development squad, academy and training facilities to improve the playing side of things and if successful then improve the stadium. Our stadium isn't great but it's sufficient for our needs at the moment and I'm sure Pete and the family didn't get their billions in the fluke they are well educated business minded people and when they decide it's time I'm sure they will make the right decision. What is our fanbase? How do you define or quantify it? Maybe I haven't grasped your argument, but you appear to argue that our potential for selling tickets to see a Stoke match at the moment happens to coincide with the size the stadium was designed for 20 years ago. That's an unlikely coincidence! The plain fact is that the size of our "at the match" support is currently limited by the size of the ground. Just suppose, for the sake of argument, that 20 years ago we'd designed a stadium with a capacity of 50,000. What would our average attendance be now? I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be anywhere near 50,000, but I'm equally sure it would be somewhat more than the current 27,500 (or thereabouts). I imagine your right but for some games like those at Newcastle we would have massive gaps of empty seats on top of what we already had that looks incredibly small time. Some games we sell out some we don't and in those cases we have to give away and resort to begging tactics like groupon to sell tickets. I'm not saying the need isn't there what I'm trying to get across is that Peter Coates is a brilliant business man that knows better than you, me or any of the 28,000 in the stadium on any given Saturday (or 20,000 any other day of the week) when he thinks it makes a sensible business decision he will do it.
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Post by owdestokie on Mar 7, 2016 21:59:21 GMT
The other remark she made was Stoke will not expand until we sell an extra 1000 season tickets The supporters council is an extended mouthpiece for the Chief Executive. It is a defunct organisation that should be disbanded immediately. Why don't you put up for election?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 7, 2016 22:03:37 GMT
What is our fanbase? How do you define or quantify it? Maybe I haven't grasped your argument, but you appear to argue that our potential for selling tickets to see a Stoke match at the moment happens to coincide with the size the stadium was designed for 20 years ago. That's an unlikely coincidence! The plain fact is that the size of our "at the match" support is currently limited by the size of the ground. Just suppose, for the sake of argument, that 20 years ago we'd designed a stadium with a capacity of 50,000. What would our average attendance be now? I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be anywhere near 50,000, but I'm equally sure it would be somewhat more than the current 27,500 (or thereabouts). I imagine your right but for some games like those at Newcastle we would have massive gaps of empty seats on top of what we already had that looks incredibly small time. Some games we sell out some we don't and in those cases we have to give away and resort to begging tactics like groupon to sell tickets. I'm not saying the need isn't there what I'm trying to get across is that Peter Coates is a brilliant business man that knows better than you, me or any of the 28,000 in the stadium on any given Saturday (or 20,000 any other day of the week) when he thinks it makes a sensible business decision he will do it. How about the marketing and sales boys get off their arses and sell some tickets rather than sitting back and expecting the PL to do all the work for them? If I was Coates I'd be asking why am I spending all this money on footballers, wages, pitches, fancy dan training facilities etc etc when there isn't demand to watch them strut their stuff? How do you know Peter Coates is right? He may be missing a massive trick.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 22:04:23 GMT
So the case for not adding 1,800 seats is because we might not sell every single one of them for every single match? Go & find me one, just one club on Planet Earth that sells every single seat for every single game... I'll save you the time, there isn't one! On the flip-side, go & look at lists of 'percent of capacity' in average attendance lists, you'll see Stoke City right near the top (If not at the very top) in all of them. But yeah, no need to expand 'cos we just anit got the fanbase. By giving away tickets, offering them to school kids that dampen the atmosphere and selling them on Groupon where people are only buying tickets on a folly. Let's carry this on and just kill the atmosphere altogether then. We can still do that with 1,800 extra seats, just means people might actually be able to BUY 2 or 3 seats together more often. Go on to scfcdirect now, every game between now and West Ham in May is just a sea of red, click on the individual blocks and it's front couple of rows if you're lucky or individual seats.....
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Post by miggo on Mar 7, 2016 22:04:33 GMT
Not exactly the point I'm making but sure whatever. I'm not saying we give thousands I'm talking in the hundreds and I'm sure for the big games it's none at all. We get plenty of new fans to the stadium every season and like I've previously said there is no long list of people who miss games week in week out either if that was the case we would have increased by now as the demand would have deemed it and I'm sure the club wouldn't throw the money away just for the sake of it. The chairman has done wonderful things for the club and only has its best interest at heart but first and foremost he's a business man that looks after himself and his own first, when he decides to increase the capacity he will at the correct time that makes a decent business decision not just because some people think they know better. How do you know? Has there been any attempt to make such a list? Has there been any market research to gauge the potential demand? I'm sure we'd be hearing much more about it if there was, all we do have is the club desperately using every outlet possible to beg people to buy tickets for half the home games a season.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 7, 2016 22:05:11 GMT
I imagine your right but for some games like those at Newcastle we would have massive gaps of empty seats on top of what we already had that looks incredibly small time. Some games we sell out some we don't and in those cases we have to give away and resort to begging tactics like groupon to sell tickets. I'm not saying the need isn't there what I'm trying to get across is that Peter Coates is a brilliant business man that knows better than you, me or any of the 28,000 in the stadium on any given Saturday (or 20,000 any other day of the week) when he thinks it makes a sensible business decision he will do it. Newcastle was a mid-week night match where they only took the small allocation & we ended up a couple of hundred shy of a sellout. Are we really basing our whole demand around that match? Why not base it around the game earlier this season, we'd so far played six matches & not one a single one of them. The away team again brought the small allocation but we set a new all-time record for the number of Stoke City supporters in the Britannia Stadium... The opposition? Bournemouth! Now, no offence to Bournemouth, but if we can set our all-time record number of Stoke City supporters inside the Britannia Stadium for a 3pm Saturday game where our season has started with zero wins from six, then we can fill 1,800 extra seats for the vast majority of our matches.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 7, 2016 22:05:18 GMT
The supporters council is an extended mouthpiece for the Chief Executive. It is a defunct organisation that should be disbanded immediately. Why don't you put up for election? Why would I want to stand for something I don't believe in and has proved totally ineffective in at least two different guises?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 22:07:09 GMT
Not sure, would we sell out? Certainly not, our average attendance is about 98%, not 100%. We've not sold approximately 600 tickets out of approximately 250,000 all season. Most of the 2% is away teams such as Norwich and West Brom not selling out....
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Post by miggo on Mar 7, 2016 22:11:00 GMT
Why don't you put up for election? Why would I want to stand for something I don't believe in and has proved totally ineffective in at least two different guises? The SC has no power, their job is to raise the supporters concerns/queries/questions to the club. Whether the club chooses to listen is a completely different thing altogether and having a pop at people who put the supporters views to the club on their own time for no gain what so ever other than their own love of the club is pretty pathetic.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Mar 7, 2016 22:12:15 GMT
Certainly not, our average attendance is about 98%, not 100%. We've not sold approximately 600 tickets out of approximately 250,000 all season. Most of the 2% is away teams such as Norwich and West Brom not selling out.... In that case, get those corners filled in...
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 7, 2016 22:12:38 GMT
The problem we have is that these empty seats are spread out. What do other clubs do in this situation?
I must admit, if it was my club (ie own) I'd want to make certain before committing to an upgrade of 2000 more seats.
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 7, 2016 22:14:02 GMT
What is our fanbase? How do you define or quantify it? Maybe I haven't grasped your argument, but you appear to argue that our potential for selling tickets to see a Stoke match at the moment happens to coincide with the size the stadium was designed for 20 years ago. That's an unlikely coincidence! The plain fact is that the size of our "at the match" support is currently limited by the size of the ground. Just suppose, for the sake of argument, that 20 years ago we'd designed a stadium with a capacity of 50,000. What would our average attendance be now? I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be anywhere near 50,000, but I'm equally sure it would be somewhat more than the current 27,500 (or thereabouts). I imagine your right but for some games like those at Newcastle we would have massive gaps of empty seats on top of what we already had that looks incredibly small time. Some games we sell out some we don't and in those cases we have to give away and resort to begging tactics like groupon to sell tickets. I'm not saying the need isn't there what I'm trying to get across is that Peter Coates is a brilliant business man that knows better than you, me or any of the 28,000 in the stadium on any given Saturday (or 20,000 any other day of the week) when he thinks it makes a sensible business decision he will do it. I agree that the size of the crowd is going to vary: obviously the demand for some is going to be higher than others. You appear to be arguing that our capacity should be limited to the lowest demand because we never want to see empty seats. To me, it makes sense to have a ground big enough to cater for the highest demand. We've sold out all but 3 league games so far. I can't imagine any stronger evidence that there is certainly enough demand to fill a fairly modest increase in capacity.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 7, 2016 22:15:58 GMT
Why would I want to stand for something I don't believe in and has proved totally ineffective in at least two different guises? The SC has no power, their job is to raise the supporters concerns/queries/questions to the club. Whether the club chooses to listen is a completely different thing altogether and having a pop at people who put the supporters views to the club on their own time for no gain what so ever other than their own love of the club is pretty pathetic. I've never ever ever been asked what my concerns/queries/questions are by a SC representative. Ever, not once. Who else has? How do you do it? Do you think they are effective then? If so give me some examples.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 22:20:37 GMT
The problem we have is that these empty seats are spread out. What do other clubs do in this situation? I must admit, if it was my club (ie own) I'd want to make certain before committing to an upgrade of 2000 more seats. Therein lies the problem, the club are doing jack shit to canvas what the potential demand is.....
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Post by Do it for dobing on Mar 7, 2016 22:22:21 GMT
Why would I want to stand for something I don't believe in and has proved totally ineffective in at least two different guises? The SC has no power, their job is to raise the supporters concerns/queries/questions to the club. Whether the club chooses to listen is a completely different thing altogether and having a pop at people who put the supporters views to the club on their own time for no gain what so ever other than their own love of the club is pretty pathetic. Are you on the supporters council by any chance or related to a member?
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 7, 2016 22:25:40 GMT
The problem we have is that these empty seats are spread out. What do other clubs do in this situation? I must admit, if it was my club (ie own) I'd want to make certain before committing to an upgrade of 2000 more seats. Therein lies the problem, the club are doing jack shit to canvas what the potential demand is..... I know what your saying but as someone said earlier (I think). Stoke city is a team generally supported by the local community or those who have lived here previously. What is the potential demand? Or Is there even a demand? I'm not so sure myself.
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Post by miggo on Mar 7, 2016 22:25:42 GMT
The SC has no power, their job is to raise the supporters concerns/queries/questions to the club. Whether the club chooses to listen is a completely different thing altogether and having a pop at people who put the supporters views to the club on their own time for no gain what so ever other than their own love of the club is pretty pathetic. I've never ever ever been asked what my concerns/queries/questions are by a SC representative. Ever, not once. Who else has? How do you do it? Do you think they are effective then? If so give me some examples. You don't have to be approached you are free to approach them and Ang has posted on here several times before how you can do so if you have points to raise. I think they do exactly what they are meant to do which is raise the points that certain fans have asked them too. It's not their job to persuade, argue or question what the club thinks is best, they pass on the supporters views it's then up to the club what they do with that information. Do I think it makes a difference, do I think the club changes anything based on the SC meetings ? No I think the club does as it pleases but that's not the SC fault is it and they shouldn't be abused because of it, your shitty comments are being aimed in the wrong place.
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Post by owdestokie on Mar 7, 2016 22:28:51 GMT
Why don't you put up for election? Why would I want to stand for something I don't believe in and has proved totally ineffective in at least two different guises? Surely your no nonsense approach would see real and meaningful change in club/supporter consultation and partnership or is it easier to snipe from the sidelines? You could be the sole speaker for truth and justice on behalf of us supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 22:30:04 GMT
It's already been mentioned that a high percentage of our ST holders are concession tickets the club also give away tickets to schools almost every game as well as encouraging lads and dads teams to purchase tickets and be flag bearers for £5 a ticket my lads team have done this twice this season and I receive the mails every week from the club offering all clubs at our level further opportunities to do so for upcoming games. Also why would Stoke supporting dads be taking their kids to watch Man City whose ticket prices are higher than our own ? I don't agree that this is happening at all. . In south Cheshire I know of parents whose children want to watch Prem football, Stoke being the nearest is the place they've tried, only to be turned away as they can't get three or more tickets together, so they've taken them up the road to Man City, more than once. The cost is irrelevant anyway, Infact you could get tickets for early champions league games for a fiver ! These kids now have a connection with Man City and Stoke have lost them. The parents don't really have any ties with Stoke or anyone else, it's the kids that wanted to go. The point I'm making is that these people could be part of a growing fanbase but the club can't accommodate them. I applaud the club for offering cheap tickets for kids but if we are talking of growing a fanbase we need to look outside of Stoke at the surrounding areas and draw people in. Most of the clubs with a bigger fanbase don't rely on fans within 20 miles of the stadium, they see a bigger picture.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 7, 2016 22:32:06 GMT
I've never ever ever been asked what my concerns/queries/questions are by a SC representative. Ever, not once. Who else has? How do you do it? Do you think they are effective then? If so give me some examples. You don't have to be approached you are free to approach them and Ang has posted on here several times before how you can do so if you have points to raise. I think they do exactly what they are meant to do which is raise the points that certain fans have asked them too. It's not their job to persuade, argue or question what the club thinks is best, they pass on the supporters views it's then up to the club what they do with that information. Do I think it makes a difference, do I think the club changes anything based on the SC meetings ? No I think the club does as it pleases but that's not the SC fault is it and they shouldn't be abused because of it, your shitty comments are being aimed in the wrong place. I have asked many a question on here and not had an acknowledgement. Approach who? Where? At the ground? Do you think it's a shitty thing to have a pop at supporters representatives who advocate a rise in ST prices? So you're agreeing with me that it is a defunct organisation then? If they have no effect on the club just what is the point? Come on, it's a cosy little tea and biscuits club.
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Post by sportsman on Mar 7, 2016 22:33:00 GMT
Increasing the stadium will not increase the fanbase, success will. Stoke fans are born and bred in Stoke (for the most part) and I would imagine it's a generation thing, most supporters of Stoke follow the club because their family before them did etc. Your either an ST holder, the casual supporter who picks and chooses or the fair weather supporter who goes when they feel like it can afford. I haven't heard many complaints of non ST holders who are unhappy about not getting tickets game after game you may struggle on the bigger games but it isn't too difficult in general. The only way we will increase the fanbase is either A) a reduction in ticket prices either ST or match day (never going to happen Stoke already pride themselves on freezing the prices) B) become successful on the pitch and competing for trophies to gather what some would call the glory hunter supporter Just because you build it doesn't mean they will come, we are not going to convert vale fans to come to Stoke (maybe the odd glory hunter ????). Last week against Newcastle the ground was at most 75% full and tickets were on sale on groupon AGAIN something that has been a regular occurrence this season and again I can't imagine this is very successful who the hell goes on groupon to by football tickets? You may sell the odd chancer who sees it and thinks they'll give it a go but I can't imagine it's many. Maybe Petes theory is to build success on the field first by pumping the money into the playing squad, development squad, academy and training facilities to improve the playing side of things and if successful then improve the stadium. Our stadium isn't great but it's sufficient for our needs at the moment and I'm sure Pete and the family didn't get their billions in the fluke they are well educated business minded people and when they decide it's time I'm sure they will make the right decision. What is our fanbase? How do you define or quantify it? Maybe I haven't grasped your argument, but you appear to argue that our potential for selling tickets to see a Stoke match at the moment happens to coincide with the size the stadium was designed for 20 years ago. That's an unlikely coincidence! The plain fact is that the size of our "at the match" support is currently limited by the size of the ground. Just suppose, for the sake of argument, that 20 years ago we'd designed a stadium with a capacity of 50,000. What would our average attendance be now? I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be anywhere near 50,000, but I'm equally sure it would be somewhat more than the current 27,500 (or thereabouts). Exactly. A fish will only grow the size of the tank.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 7, 2016 22:34:13 GMT
Why would I want to stand for something I don't believe in and has proved totally ineffective in at least two different guises? Surely your no nonsense approach would see real and meaningful change in club/supporter consultation and partnership or is it easier to snipe from the sidelines? You could be the sole speaker for truth and justice on behalf of us supporters. I certainly wouldn't be going in shooting from the hip telling the CE that ST prices should be increased. You happy with that kind of representation mate or do you think he was just passing on concerns/queries/questions?
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