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Post by warringtonstokie on Apr 21, 2016 11:18:22 GMT
Pay him what he wants, it'd cost £20m+ and £100k a week to replace him anyway. Not so sure about that. He's been very poor of late (come to think of it, they all have). I believe in pay for performance. I'd have them all on basic salary (you know, one they could scrape by on, like 15K a week!) and implement a bonus plan with 50% based on team performance and 50% based on individual goals (no pun intended). It wouldn't be too difficult to estimate the bonus pool because it is mainly determined by tv money, which in turn is related to League position and how far they go in the cups. Sorted! That's a good idea but it's unrealistic, especially with bigger players like Arnautovic. I was referring to the fact that it'd cost us £20m and £100,000 a week to replace him with a winger who scores 15 odd goals a season and contributes a fair few assists too like he does.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 21, 2016 17:31:20 GMT
Get Yarmo in then!
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Post by Beertricks Potter on Apr 21, 2016 18:02:09 GMT
Not so sure about that. He's been very poor of late (come to think of it, they all have). I believe in pay for performance. I'd have them all on basic salary (you know, one they could scrape by on, like 15K a week!) and implement a bonus plan with 50% based on team performance and 50% based on individual goals (no pun intended). It wouldn't be too difficult to estimate the bonus pool because it is mainly determined by tv money, which in turn is related to League position and how far they go in the cups. Sorted! That's a good idea but it's unrealistic, especially with bigger players like Arnautovic. I was referring to the fact that it'd cost us £20m and £100,000 a week to replace him with a winger who scores 15 odd goals a season and contributes a fair few assists too like he does. It cost leicester £400k to get Mahrez didn't it? These finds are hard to come across but if our scouts do their jobs, there are bargains out there. Just giving an alternative to view of us having to pay out stupid money to replace Arnie, if it comes to that.
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Post by slother on Apr 21, 2016 18:10:27 GMT
There's no way Arnie has shown enough this season to be worthy of a Champions League club, at least not one paying English wages. I think he'll extend here to be honest. Cheeky bastard.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Apr 21, 2016 18:13:09 GMT
That's a good idea but it's unrealistic, especially with bigger players like Arnautovic. I was referring to the fact that it'd cost us £20m and £100,000 a week to replace him with a winger who scores 15 odd goals a season and contributes a fair few assists too like he does. It cost leicester £400k to get Mahrez didn't it? These finds are hard to come across but if our scouts do their jobs, there are bargains out there. Just giving an alternative to view of us having to pay out stupid money to replace Arnie, if it comes to that. You're right of course but the likes of Mahrez are extremely rare finds and rarely pay dividends straight away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 18:15:22 GMT
Far too inconsistent to warrant a payrise for me.
Last 2 or 3 home games I've lost count of the times he's made a run, the ball hasn't got to him, for whatever reason, and all he wants to do is sulk and WALK back to an onside position.
I'm not saying he is lazy all of the time because he does his fair share of back tracking but these instances really get my back up, particularly when we manage to recycle the ball and his attitude prohibits a through ball.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 21, 2016 19:35:20 GMT
Far too inconsistent to warrant a payrise for me. Last 2 or 3 home games I've lost count of the times he's made a run, the ball hasn't got to him, for whatever reason, and all he wants to do is sulk and WALK back to an onside position. You have hit the nail on the head, not just with Arnie, but the forwards in general. I also have lost count of the number of times that a run has been made, only to find Glen and Ibrahim are still passing it sideways or backwards on the half way line. Still it makes the possession stats look good. I'm not saying he is lazy all of the time because he does his fair share of back tracking but these instances really get my back up, particularly when we manage to recycle the ball and his attitude prohibits a through ball.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Apr 21, 2016 19:47:06 GMT
I dont get why people just don't install this ! ! It boggles my mind !! it takes the ads away from youtube videos and everything. I would be LOST without Adblock, best thing that has happened for online browsing experience and no one seems to know about it. ive been using it for a couple of years to enable me to read Plymouth Evening Herald, Sentinel and national online newspapers. It's free, easy to switch on and off and works a treat. For those who moan about pop ups on the Sentinel ......Just get it. Great advice, thanks everyone.
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Post by samba :) on Apr 21, 2016 20:19:00 GMT
That's a good idea but it's unrealistic, especially with bigger players like Arnautovic. I was referring to the fact that it'd cost us £20m and £100,000 a week to replace him with a winger who scores 15 odd goals a season and contributes a fair few assists too like he does. It cost leicester £400k to get Mahrez didn't it? These finds are hard to come across but if our scouts do their jobs, there are bargains out there. Just giving an alternative to view of us having to pay out stupid money to replace Arnie, if it comes to that. like Glenn whelan cost 500 thousand and look what he's done since he came
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 20:21:34 GMT
Far too inconsistent to warrant a payrise for me. Last 2 or 3 home games I've lost count of the times he's made a run, the ball hasn't got to him, for whatever reason, and all he wants to do is sulk and WALK back to an onside position. I'm not saying he is lazy all of the time because he does his fair share of back tracking but these instances really get my back up, particularly when we manage to recycle the ball and his attitude prohibits a through ball. This season he's actually been consistent. He seems settled and has played arguably his best football in a stoke shirt. As for the last 3 games he clearly isn't fit. He's playing through the pain barrier as we simply have no bugger else. We need arnie sign that contract
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Post by kustokie on Apr 21, 2016 20:29:39 GMT
Not so sure about that. He's been very poor of late (come to think of it, they all have). I believe in pay for performance. I'd have them all on basic salary (you know, one they could scrape by on, like 15K a week!) and implement a bonus plan with 50% based on team performance and 50% based on individual goals (no pun intended). It wouldn't be too difficult to estimate the bonus pool because it is mainly determined by tv money, which in turn is related to League position and how far they go in the cups. Sorted! great idea in theory, but it needs all (majority) of clubs to sign up for it. Otherwise players wouldn't be interested at all. & of course, in exchange for the risk of a low (by prem standards) salary they would want a phenomenal maximum, like £150k p/w Surely, the owners would love it and so would the employees (not just the players). I have worked for the state and in private industry - no prizes for guessing which one paid better. Good performances should translate to good results, finishing high in the league and good cups runs, which should translate to more TV money, higher ticket prices and more advertising revenues. Like it or not it's a capitalistic system and should be treated accordingly.
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Post by harrysburrow on Apr 21, 2016 21:17:27 GMT
I've gone from being a massive Arnie fan to not giving a fuck anymore.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 21, 2016 23:09:46 GMT
How much would you pay him to stay ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 23:33:44 GMT
How much would you pay him to stay ? About 35 pence
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Post by ukcstokie on Apr 21, 2016 23:47:52 GMT
How much would you pay him to stay ? About 35 pence Yep, that's the going rate for our top goalscorer. Isn't Arnie 4th or 5th in the Premiership goals scored + assists too?
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Post by mumf on Apr 21, 2016 23:48:59 GMT
I thought he was very average when he first arrived and that he very slowly improved over many months .
I think that he thinks that he is actually better than he is and his arrogant attitude clearly shines through .
His current reluctance to sign a new contract epitomises all that's wrong with Premier League footballers .
I think the club has to make a stand on his wage demands and not give in .
I would not pay him a single penny more than the manager believes he's worth .
Would I have any qualms about selling him ....No absolutely not.
Would he leave a bad taste if he left in such circumstances ....Yes , it's pure greed and lack of loyalty to the club and the Stoke fans .
Do I think he will be here next season ....No , I think he will move to the highest bidder .
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Post by kustokie on Apr 21, 2016 23:55:22 GMT
I've gone from being a massive Arnie fan to not giving a fuck anymore. Me too. This salary negotiation has definitely concided with a loss of form for him and for the team. It is becoming a trend with sulky players and needs sorting.
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Post by StokieNath on Apr 21, 2016 23:58:41 GMT
If he's being a little bitch and causing a fuss then fuck him off, he's basically a mercanary. Hopefully he stops the childish behaviour and stays at the club that got his career on the right path. If Arnie stays he'll play a crucial role next season.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Apr 22, 2016 0:31:09 GMT
There isn't much loyalty in football anymore, I don't think he will be here on September 1st
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Post by kustokie on Apr 22, 2016 0:38:38 GMT
There isn't much loyalty in football anymore, I don't think he will be here on September 1st This employee loyalty thing is a bit silly. I assume the club is playing hard ball, so what do you expect his agents to do - cave in and accept the first offer that comes along? That would be negligent. Who's side are you one. Bosses or workers?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 2:09:13 GMT
There isn't much loyalty in football anymore, I don't think he will be here on September 1st Loyalty? Don't take the piss. He's not born and raised in Stoke he does it for the game and for the money, not the club. If he can play at a higher level or earn a higher wage somewhere else then he's entitled to do just that, he's down to the final year of his contract and so long as he doesn't 'refuse to play' or something equally pathetic he's allowed to see out his contract and leave or make it clear to the club he isn't planning on staying and if they want to cash in, this summer is their chance. I love Arnie, I'd throw practically a blank cheque book at him to make him stay but he has ambitions and if you ask me, he has the ability too, to play at a bigger and more competitive club. Hopefully if we sign more players of his ilk we can be that competitive club but right now, and for the next couple years (Arnie's prime playing career) we aren't that team.
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 22, 2016 3:24:43 GMT
I seriously worry for the mental health of some the posters on here.
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Post by kurt on Apr 22, 2016 5:22:08 GMT
I've gone from being a massive Arnie fan to not giving a fuck anymore. Me too. This salary negotiation has definitely concided with a loss of form for him and for the team. It is becoming a trend with sulky players and needs sorting.
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Post by trigger on Apr 22, 2016 6:11:25 GMT
I've gone from being a massive Arnie fan to not giving a fuck anymore. Me too. This salary negotiation has definitely concided with a loss of form for him and for the team. It is becoming a trend with sulky players and needs sorting. Eric signed his extension and look at him now, terrible player.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 22, 2016 7:59:11 GMT
He's 27 , he has a family, this will be his last big contract you'd imagine why wouldn't he want the best deal available to him?
He's openly admitted that that he wants to fulfill his potential, our own manager has even stated that he has the ability to play at the top level. Has it become so bad now that we are now criticising people's ambition? Who else wouldn't try and better themselves and seek the best opportunities available in everyday life?
If you want consistency then look at this stats defensively and offensively , he's been our best performer by a mile. I'd love him to sign but not everything revolves around Stoke.
If he does leave then good luck to the lad he has created some exceptional memories.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 22, 2016 14:37:27 GMT
Me too. This salary negotiation has definitely concided with a loss of form for him and for the team. It is becoming a trend with sulky players and needs sorting. Eric signed his extension and look at him now, terrible player. So based on that logic, Arnie will be even worse if/when he signs a new contract. God help us.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 22, 2016 14:44:11 GMT
If he's being a little bitch and causing a fuss then fuck him off, he's basically a mercanary. Hopefully he stops the childish behaviour and stays at the club that got his career on the right path. If Arnie stays he'll play a crucial role next season. what fucking decade are you in????? by being a "mercenary" i presume you mean "Being a professional footballer who won't just take the first offer given to him by the club"? EVERY single player at Stoke will negotiate when it comes to contract extensions (including the likes of Butland..who did just that before extending, Ryan, Bojan, Whelan etc. etc.) jesus, after your utter bollocks about wanting Hughes gone but keep him for another year i'd have thought you'd have learned to at least think a little before posting such shite
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 22, 2016 14:46:21 GMT
Far too inconsistent to warrant a payrise for me. Last 2 or 3 home games I've lost count of the times he's made a run, the ball hasn't got to him, for whatever reason, and all he wants to do is sulk and WALK back to an onside position. I'm not saying he is lazy all of the time because he does his fair share of back tracking but these instances really get my back up, particularly when we manage to recycle the ball and his attitude prohibits a through ball. This season he's actually been consistent. He seems settled and has played arguably his best football in a stoke shirt. As for the last 3 games he clearly isn't fit. He's playing through the pain barrier as we simply have no bugger else. We need arnie sign that contract nah clyde bollocks to him. why the hell should a player who is top scorer and has double figures from the wing get a pay raise????
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Post by StokieNath on Apr 22, 2016 14:46:59 GMT
If he's being a little bitch and causing a fuss then fuck him off, he's basically a mercanary. Hopefully he stops the childish behaviour and stays at the club that got his career on the right path. If Arnie stays he'll play a crucial role next season. what fucking decade are you in????? by being a "mercenary" i presume you mean "Being a professional footballer who won't just take the first offer given to him by the club"? EVERY single player at Stoke will negotiate when it comes to contract extensions (including the likes of Butland..who did just that before extending, Ryan, Bojan, Whelan etc. etc.) jesus, after your utter bollocks about wanting Hughes gone but keep him for another year i'd have thought you'd have learned to at least think a little before posting such shite Why would we want keep a player that's causing a rift in the dressing room, clearly he's leaving anyway.. SterlingV2 our Arnie is... Greed no loyalty
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 22, 2016 14:58:37 GMT
what fucking decade are you in????? by being a "mercenary" i presume you mean "Being a professional footballer who won't just take the first offer given to him by the club"? EVERY single player at Stoke will negotiate when it comes to contract extensions (including the likes of Butland..who did just that before extending, Ryan, Bojan, Whelan etc. etc.) jesus, after your utter bollocks about wanting Hughes gone but keep him for another year i'd have thought you'd have learned to at least think a little before posting such shite Why would we want keep a player that's causing a rift in the dressing room, clearly he's leaving anyway.. SterlingV2 our Arnie is... Greed no loyalty and name me ONE single player that doesn't ask for more money when re-negotiating their contract in the 21st century??? i can help you there mate....you can't because there aren't any! do you know what "negotiate" actually means? if it wasn't a back and forth exercise then it wouldn't be called "Contract negotiations" Loyalty to a club died out in about 1990. i can guarantee you now that if Ryan wasn't offered what he thought he was worth and was offered what he wanted elsewhere he'd be off in a shot, no-one is any different regardless of what red and white tinted specs you have on or how much of a saint you want to claim they are that "Loves the club"!!!! the facts are that he's a winger who is our top scorer and has equalled the Prem goals record in1 season for Stoke since we came up with half as many assists on top of that....from the WING!!!! if that doesn't deserve a pay rise then what the fuck does he have to do to get one????
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