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Post by foster on Feb 16, 2016 11:03:21 GMT
Foster, it was discussed at length at the previous meeting. You can see Tony Scholes response after I pressed him on the amount of tickets we need to sell to enable expansion. When we continually revisit the items such as congestion on the concourse, parking etc we obviously get the same answers. We can only put forward what supporters ask and every time the minutes are published fans react. We will put forward all the suggestions again at the next meeting but that does not mean the club will respond as the fans want. It does mean, I hope that they consider our comments and look to see what can be addressed. It is in no one's interests to keep disappointing supporters. So no then. Thanks.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 16, 2016 11:19:47 GMT
I asked the question over social media....seems reasonable given they use social media streams. I was told I then needed to e-mail it too. This despite being told about a year before my question would be asked and to my knowledge it never was. So forgive me for my cynicism. And seriously meeting points and outside toilets, why? I have no idea! I agree that does seem odd. Speculation on my part but I suppose email is an easier method to deal with and keep a record of. With regard to your question, I have often thought that toilets outside grounds would be a good idea. At the risk of stating the obvious, so that you don't have to enter the ground earlier than you would otherwise wish to ( or pay to go into Delilah's), just to go to the loo. As I said before, if the idea of more catering/drinking outlets outside the ground were developed, it becomes more important for obvious reasons. I suspect the idea about meeting points is based on the fanzone areas, including eating and drinking outlets, which have been developed at some grounds. Somewhere specific where you can meet friends, old mates, people you are going to the game with, whatever, under cover before the game, and enjoy a drink if you want to. Personally, I think it's a reasonable idea, and it's certainly worked at Man City for example. In practice, I suspect that the geography of the Brit. might make it very difficult to do. But my main point would be, just because some fans, like yourself, don't see a need for themselves and might not use it, isn't a reason for dismissing the idea, and if some fans have suggested it, it's entirely appropriate that the SC reps. should float the idea with the club. It feels a bit like criticising for criticising's sake.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 16, 2016 11:25:53 GMT
I asked the question over social media....seems reasonable given they use social media streams. I was told I then needed to e-mail it too. This despite being told about a year before my question would be asked and to my knowledge it never was. So forgive me for my cynicism. And seriously meeting points and outside toilets, why? I have no idea! I agree that does seem odd. Speculation on my part but I suppose email is an easier method to deal with and keep a record of. With regard to your question, I have often thought that toilets outside grounds would be a good idea. At the risk of stating the obvious, so that you don't have to enter the ground earlier than you would otherwise wish to ( or pay to go into Delilah's), just to go to the loo. As I said before, if the idea of more catering/drinking outlets outside the ground were developed, it becomes more important for obvious reasons. I suspect the idea about meeting points is based on the fanzone areas, including eating and drinking outlets, which have been developed at some grounds. Somewhere specific where you can meet friends, old mates, people you are going to the game with, whatever, under cover before the game, and enjoy a drink if you want to. Personally, I think it's a reasonable idea, and it's certainly worked at Man City for example. In practice, I suspect that the geography of the Brit. might make it very difficult to do. But my main point would be, just because some fans, like yourself, don't see a need for themselves and might not use it, isn't a reason for dismissing the idea, and if some fans have suggested it, it's entirely appropriate that the SC reps. should float the idea with the club. It feels a bit like criticising for criticising's sake. Fair do's on all points! And it is sheer ignorance from my pov, I get there at 5 to 3 and just go straight in so the need for a meeting point isn't needed. But dressed as a fan zone with stuff going and not the vision of a glorified bus shelter I had in my head, it makes sense. I think that's a problem here too, it's a brief thing and with stuff like this it needs explaining. If they do indeed mean a glorified bus shelter then I still think it's laughable. But if it's a fan park type thing then it's a cracking idea. A fan zone type idea is excellent but it would have to be done properly. And this is where I think the club could do better commercially. Aim it at kids, have merchandise on sale etc. It's win-win then. I agree it would but I wouldn't be adverse to closing car parks (as controversial as that is ).
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 16, 2016 14:27:24 GMT
Catering outlets and somewhere to drink outside should be on the agenda never mind bloody toilets I don't see them as alternatives - in fact if you have more places to drink outside the ground, there will be an increased need for toilets, for obvious reasons. I think toilets outside the ground is a good idea, and it's entirely appropriate that the SC members should raise it. I can't see why anyone would be opposed to the idea ? How feasible it is and where it would sit in a priority list for improvements is another question. It must be an age thing Malcolm :-) Seriously though I think it's a good idea but for me it's down the pecking order in terms of priorities for our fans.Trying to think which grounds have toilets outside and I can only come up with Old Trafford and St Mary's off the top of my head?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 16, 2016 14:59:05 GMT
I don't see them as alternatives - in fact if you have more places to drink outside the ground, there will be an increased need for toilets, for obvious reasons. I think toilets outside the ground is a good idea, and it's entirely appropriate that the SC members should raise it. I can't see why anyone would be opposed to the idea ? How feasible it is and where it would sit in a priority list for improvements is another question. It must be an age thing Malcolm :-) Seriously though I think it's a good idea but for me it's down the pecking order in terms of priorities for our fans.Trying to think which grounds have toilets outside and I can only come up with Old Trafford and St Mary's off the top of my head? Wembley as well. I would guess that the fanzone at the Etihad would have one but I'm not sure. But I would apply the same argument to all the other grounds which don't have it - it has always surprised me that new grounds don't usually incorporate it in the design. Much harder of course when a ground is already built like ours, unless you build a new toilet block.
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Post by ginar on Feb 16, 2016 16:44:26 GMT
The reason you men don't see the point of access to the toilets is because whilst waiting to get into the ground or board the coaches you have been using the area around Sir Stans monument to relieve yourselves thus making the area smell like a urinal . Malcolm you are so right about the task of elected supporters being a thankless one .
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Post by foster on Feb 16, 2016 16:57:58 GMT
The reason you men don't see the point of access to the toilets is because whilst waiting to get into the ground or board the coaches you have been using the area around Sir Stans monument to relieve yourselves thus making the area smell like a urinal . Malcolm you are so right about the task of elected supporters being a thankless one . Er, meet n greet, stadium tour and free coffee. Thank you very much.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 16, 2016 17:18:42 GMT
Wake me up when they commit to a corner
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Post by winston on Feb 16, 2016 21:50:50 GMT
I asked the question over social media....seems reasonable given they use social media streams. I was told I then needed to e-mail it too. This despite being told about a year before my question would be asked and to my knowledge it never was. So forgive me for my cynicism. And seriously meeting points and outside toilets, why? I have no idea! Obiously you have to be careful about meeting points inside toilets bud
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Post by winston on Feb 16, 2016 21:55:35 GMT
The reason you men don't see the point of access to the toilets is because whilst waiting to get into the ground or board the coaches you have been using the area around Sir Stans monument to relieve yourselves thus making the area smell like a urinal . Malcolm you are so right about the task of elected supporters being a thankless one . I agree on thankless task and the toilets. If you read the minutes it says that it is for thick people like me that thought there was no where to go before going on the official buses. My bladder gets nervous if it can't smell a toilet, one of the many reasons why I prefer the train. On one of the other points, 2 terrorist checks before getting on a free bus to Watford????
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 16, 2016 22:03:18 GMT
I don't think the club are doing too badly at the moment. But when you give people an inch they take a mile. MEETING POINT FOR FANS. Get a fucking life (or a coat). Whats up with people?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 12:29:44 GMT
Reading those minutes is like snuggling under a lovely warm and cosy comfort blanket where, you can hide away from reality and real day to day problems and, cosy yuorself up to those
even cosier massively paid mandarins, happy to pay lip service to a fan / club dialogue process and, in turn- turn a blind eye to the real problems the club prefers to avoid opening up to real debate.
e.g.
FACT1 - the ground has real and becoming more serious, car parking and access problems
Fact 2 - The ground capacity is now quite inadequate in terms of the clubs standing and status right now
Fact 3 - such basic problems such as items 1 and 2 will inevitably constrain the clubs ability to grow its own future supporter base in the medium to longer term.
and - Adding couple of portaloos in the fucking car park so our away supporters don't wet themselves, is fine -- get it done - stop fucking about ! - how does this even get 'discussed' ?
the issues above - 1-2 -3 - are the ones that really need addressing !
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 17, 2016 12:41:44 GMT
Interesting to hear that Scudamore has tasked PL clubs to get fans to spend more time on matchdays at the ground.
Wonder how SCFC will sort this one out?!?!?!?!?!!?
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Post by foster on Feb 17, 2016 14:30:32 GMT
Interesting to hear that Scudamore has tasked PL clubs to get fans to spend more time on matchdays at the ground. Wonder how SCFC will sort this one out?!?!?!?!?!!? Perfect excuse to leave the car park as it is.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 17, 2016 15:21:25 GMT
Interesting to hear that Scudamore has tasked PL clubs to get fans to spend more time on matchdays at the ground. Wonder how SCFC will sort this one out?!?!?!?!?!!? Perfect excuse to leave the car park as it is.
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Post by foster on Feb 17, 2016 16:10:04 GMT
Was there actually an answer on anything during the meeting or was it simply a case of 'we're looking at it, we're reviewing it, we're assessing it', for everything?
I don't really get the point of that meeting.. an email from Anthony could have given me the same result.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 17, 2016 16:27:33 GMT
I don't think the club are doing too badly at the moment. But when you give people an inch they take a mile. MEETING POINT FOR FANS. Get a fucking life (or a coat). Whats up with people? If you look a few posts up the thread you will see that the meeting point for fans is actually a "fanzone". Whenever we go to Anfield, I always think that the fanzone which is just the other side of the road from the stadium, is one of the few things I like about the ground. A fanzone at the Brit is well worth campaigning for - it could probably be run at a profit and it is an obvious place to locate toilets if they decide to have them. Regarding bayern's comment that he tends to arrive at the ground just before 3pm and go straight in. I might do that myself if I lived in North Staffs. Any exile like me who arrives by car after a 150 mile drive will do what I do which is to aim to park up at least an hour or even an hour and a half before kick off to allow for the walk to the ground (I park 20 minutes walk away mainly to speed the journey home) and the fact that we often suffer (very common) delays on the English motorway system. So somewhere to unwind and eat and drink before the game is welcome. I sometimes go in Delilah's but a fanzone would be better and would hold more people than an already full Delilah's. As I said - run properly - a fanzone would pay for itself in sales.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 17, 2016 17:05:39 GMT
Was there actually an answer on anything during the meeting or was it simply a case of 'we're looking at it, we're reviewing it, we're assessing it', for everything? I don't really get the point of that meeting.. an email from Anthony could have given me the same result. That's the whole problem isn't it. The council may be a model of democratic fan representation that should be lauded but if Scholes doesn't want to do something he simply kicks into the long grass and the council is rendered as impotent as it's previous incarnations. If you go through all the minutes club intentions are rarely influenced and never changed. Lip service is paid and egos massaged both ways but in reality you'd be in the same position electing some fans to go and shout at the pigeons next to Stan's statue.
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Post by ange1 on Feb 17, 2016 17:51:25 GMT
Momo, you can say the same about any business, ultimately the owners have the final say however I have no doubt that without Council representation, free away travel on official coaches would have almost certainly gone and reciprocal ticket prices would have been less than they are.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2016 22:09:33 GMT
I don't think the club are doing too badly at the moment. But when you give people an inch they take a mile. MEETING POINT FOR FANS. Get a fucking life (or a coat). Whats up with people? If you look a few posts up the thread you will see that the meeting point for fans is actually a "fanzone". Whenever we go to Anfield, I always think that the fanzone which is just the other side of the road from the stadium, is one of the few things I like about the ground. A fanzone at the Brit is well worth campaigning for - it could probably be run at a profit and it is an obvious place to locate toilets if they decide to have them. Regarding bayern's comment that he tends to arrive at the ground just before 3pm and go straight in. I might do that myself if I lived in North Staffs. Any exile like me who arrives by car after a 150 mile drive will do what I do which is to aim to park up at least an hour or even an hour and a half before kick off to allow for the walk to the ground (I park 20 minutes walk away mainly to speed the journey home) and the fact that we often suffer (very common) delays on the English motorway system. So somewhere to unwind and eat and drink before the game is welcome. I sometimes go in Delilah's but a fanzone would be better and would hold more people than an already full Delilah's. As I said - run properly - a fanzone would pay for itself in sales. Isn't a fanzone what Malcolm perceives them to be on about? And like I said I think that's a great idea. It doesn't read to me like it's what they're on about but then that's with my cynical imagining a glorified bus shelter hat on.
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Post by mamasgloves on Feb 19, 2016 8:55:52 GMT
Was there actually an answer on anything during the meeting or was it simply a case of 'we're looking at it, we're reviewing it, we're assessing it', for everything? I don't really get the point of that meeting.. an email from Anthony could have given me the same result. That's the whole problem isn't it. The council may be a model of democratic fan representation that should be lauded but if Scholes doesn't want to do something he simply kicks into the long grass and the council is rendered as impotent as it's previous incarnations. If you go through all the minutes club intentions are rarely influenced and never changed. Lip service is paid and egos massaged both ways but in reality you'd be in the same position electing some fans to go and shout at the pigeons next to Stan's statue. Tick box exercise
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Post by TinkerT on Feb 19, 2016 9:31:02 GMT
The main issue for me is access, trying get out the stadium is a nightmare. A bridge from the carpark too a50 for traffic and then the bank at the back of the Seddon stand should be made into all steps and have some sort of fanzone made there with stalls selling beer food etc with outdoor TVs as has already been posted. It would pay for itself in the space of a season and would add too the stadium/access too. Tried contact the SC and had no reply so let's see if posting it on here will help any..
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Post by TinkerT on Feb 19, 2016 9:32:16 GMT
The main issue for me is access, trying get out the stadium is a nightmare. A bridge from the carpark too a50 for traffic and then the bank at the back of the Seddon stand should be made into all steps and have some sort of fanzone made there with stalls selling beer food etc with outdoor TVs and the banks statue would look better here. It would pay for itself in the space of a season and would add too the stadium/access too. Tried contact the SC and had no reply so let's see if posting it on here will help any..
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Post by Cast no shadow on Feb 19, 2016 9:35:03 GMT
Wake me up when they commit to a corner R.I.P
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Post by werrington on Feb 19, 2016 13:16:54 GMT
Momo, you can say the same about any business, ultimately the owners have the final say however I have no doubt that without Council representation, free away travel on official coaches would have almost certainly gone and reciprocal ticket prices would have been less than they are. Cmon Ange I have no axe to grind with any of the committee but let's not kid yourself here The free travel is a away of spending the £300k (? ) The club gets to spend how it wants on supporters each season and indeed Swansea spend theirs by supplementing away tickets prices to a maximum of £22 ...it's not out of the clubs pocket due to pressure from the committee The reciprocal away price thing has to my knowledge only happened with Newcastle ?
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Post by potterglen on Feb 19, 2016 13:57:00 GMT
The reason you men don't see the point of access to the toilets is because whilst waiting to get into the ground or board the coaches you have been using the area around Sir Stans monument to relieve yourselves thus making the area smell like a urinal . Malcolm you are so right about the task of elected supporters being a thankless one . Not just near Stans monument. We walk to/from the stadium via Campbell Road, crossing over the A500 and used to have the pleasure of watching men pissing up the wall of the offices of the unit nearest to the roundabout. The company have now erected a fence which must have cost - imagine opening the window to your office and being subjected to that stink.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 14:02:41 GMT
I'm very disheartened to learn that the meeting still went ahead without Ilford Dave. What’s the frigging point? Indeed. Who provided the Italian coffee and the Legal representation ??? I think we should be told GD
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 19, 2016 19:57:10 GMT
The ground capacity is a pathetic joke and the club needs to be pressed on this.
At your next meeting can someone really try to engage them on this?
Thankfully I managed to get a ticket from a fellow stokie for the villa game. I had two work colleagues down in the area from Glasgow who wanted to go. One of whom has been following stoke closely. He has made other plans. Another potential supporter lost.
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Post by steve66 on Feb 19, 2016 20:26:03 GMT
Don't know if already bought up at the meetings or on here but surely the toilets need an in door and a one way out door, the queue's are ridiculous and then on top you even have people standing outside of entrances talking and oblivious they are blocking entry!
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Post by no1972 on Feb 19, 2016 21:34:16 GMT
The ground capacity is a pathetic joke and the club needs to be pressed on this. At your next meeting can someone really try to engage them on this? Thankfully I managed to get a ticket from a fellow stokie for the villa game. I had two work colleagues down in the area from Glasgow who wanted to go. One of whom has been following stoke closely. He has made other plans. Another potential supporter lost. I had the same problem last May while in London,a client wanted to go to a match at Wembley could not get a ticket stupid FA should of made the capacity larger for my client .
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