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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2016 19:47:49 GMT
Not really no. I just find it odd. That's the worry with Ryan and why I don't like how it was managed. In what way do you think Ryans injury could have been managed better? (If you have already explained this then forgive me but I cannot be arsed to read the whole thread) I haven't. I just think he needed to be rested a few times since he came back. He was out for a long time and back way sooner than expected. It just seemed a rush.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 19:52:08 GMT
In what way do you think Ryans injury could have been managed better? (If you have already explained this then forgive me but I cannot be arsed to read the whole thread) I haven't. I just think he needed to be rested a few times since he came back. He was out for a long time and back way sooner than expected. It just seemed a rush. Fair enough,I don't know and you don't either to be fair,enough about his injury,I would imagine that Hughes would only be picking him to play under the guidance of the club's physios and doctors. Although i can see where you're coming from he is stupidly important to us as a team and a very hard player to rest, especially if Hughes is being told he is fit to play.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2016 19:53:33 GMT
I haven't. I just think he needed to be rested a few times since he came back. He was out for a long time and back way sooner than expected. It just seemed a rush. Fair enough,I don't know and you don't either to be fair,enough about his injury,I would imagine that Hughes would only be picking him to play under the guidance of the club's physios and doctors. Although i can see where you're coming from he is stupidly important to us as a team and a very hard player to rest, especially if Hughes is being told he is fit to play. It those people I'd be questioning! 2 years running now we've had "bad luck" with injuries.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 20:00:55 GMT
Fair enough,I don't know and you don't either to be fair,enough about his injury,I would imagine that Hughes would only be picking him to play under the guidance of the club's physios and doctors. Although i can see where you're coming from he is stupidly important to us as a team and a very hard player to rest, especially if Hughes is being told he is fit to play. It those people I'd be questioning! 2 years running now we've had "bad luck" with injuries. We have had bad luck,ridiculously bad luck to be honest,is there something more to it? I'm not sure,but for now I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the medical team, because I really don't believe that a club as well run as ours is employing an incompetent medical staff.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2016 20:03:02 GMT
It those people I'd be questioning! 2 years running now we've had "bad luck" with injuries. We have had bad luck,ridiculously bad luck to be honest,is there something more to it? I'm not sure,but for now I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the medical team, because I really don't believe that a club as well run as ours is employing an incompetent medical staff. Arsenal have the same bad luck time after time.... Of course they don't, it's down to poor training methods and poor medical judgements. Are we the same? It is probably too early to say but the amount of muscle injuries (again) are worrying.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 14, 2016 20:09:51 GMT
They made the point on Sky during the Spurs game today that Spurs have double training sessions and have had hardly any injuries all season. Does make you wonder if we aren't doing enough in the week?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2016 20:14:46 GMT
They made the point on Sky during the Spurs game today that Spurs have double training sessions and have had hardly any injuries all season. Does make you wonder if we aren't doing enough in the week? Not sure how doing more would help injuries?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 14, 2016 20:24:54 GMT
They made the point on Sky during the Spurs game today that Spurs have double training sessions and have had hardly any injuries all season. Does make you wonder if we aren't doing enough in the week? Not sure how doing more would help injuries? Could make them stronger? not sure tbh, just thought I'd mention it.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Feb 14, 2016 20:26:36 GMT
They made the point on Sky during the Spurs game today that Spurs have double training sessions and have had hardly any injuries all season. Does make you wonder if we aren't doing enough in the week? Not sure how doing more would help injuries? The intensity of games would be lessened I think is the logic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2016 20:28:45 GMT
Not sure how doing more would help injuries? The intensity of games would be lessened I think is the logic. Ah ok. But surely more training=more fatigue=increases the likelihood of injury? I think with us it doesn't help with the players we have. In general I think we have a brittle bunch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 20:37:14 GMT
We have had bad luck,ridiculously bad luck to be honest,is there something more to it? I'm not sure,but for now I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the medical team, because I really don't believe that a club as well run as ours is employing an incompetent medical staff. Arsenal have the same bad luck time after time.... Of course they don't, it's down to poor training methods and poor medical judgements. Are we the same? It is probably too early to say but the amount of muscle injuries (again) are worrying. I can see why you're concerned and I suppose only time will tell,but surely a manager who is as successful and knowledgeable as Mark Hughes is doesn't have poor training methods? Although the "Hughes' teams always start slow and finish well" theory is starting to wear thin and could indicate some sort of "different" training regime perhaps.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Feb 14, 2016 20:37:31 GMT
The intensity of games would be lessened I think is the logic. Ah ok. But surely more training=more fatigue=increases the likelihood of injury? I think with us it doesn't help with the players we have. In general I think we have a brittle bunch. Not sure really I think the biggest number of injuries occur when you are trying to build up fitness rather than maintain it. If you look at something like cycling even during something like the tour de france the riders still ride for a good 3-4 hours during a rest day. Don't get me wrong there I some of our lot could do with a rest but you do see players getting injured on the way back from long lay offs because the body isn't adjusted enough to the rigours of matches.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2016 20:39:51 GMT
Arsenal have the same bad luck time after time.... Of course they don't, it's down to poor training methods and poor medical judgements. Are we the same? It is probably too early to say but the amount of muscle injuries (again) are worrying. I can see why you're concerned and I suppose only time will tell,but surely a manager who is as successful and knowledgeable as Mark Hughes is doesn't have poor training methods? Although the "Hughes' teams always start slow and finish well" theory is starting to wear thin and could indicate some sort of "different" training regime perhaps. Arsenal do and they're managed by a more experienced, knowledgeable and successful coach. That annoys me to high heaven just like TP's sides starting well and faded. They should be able to get some consistency, it's bollocks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2016 20:41:43 GMT
Ah ok. But surely more training=more fatigue=increases the likelihood of injury? I think with us it doesn't help with the players we have. In general I think we have a brittle bunch. Not sure really I think the biggest number of injuries occur when you are trying to build up fitness rather than maintain it. If you look at something like cycling even during something like the tour de france the riders still ride for a good 3-4 hours during a rest day. Don't get me wrong there I some of our lot could do with a rest but you do see players getting injured on the way back from long lay offs because the body isn't adjusted enough to the rigours of matches. Isn't that just to keep stiffness (ooh er) away? So I guess for short periods like the TDF it makes sense but over 9 months? No idea really! Seems like a good way of burning out to me. That I agree with though!
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Post by Clem Fandango on Feb 14, 2016 21:13:12 GMT
Not sure really I think the biggest number of injuries occur when you are trying to build up fitness rather than maintain it. If you look at something like cycling even during something like the tour de france the riders still ride for a good 3-4 hours during a rest day. Don't get me wrong there I some of our lot could do with a rest but you do see players getting injured on the way back from long lay offs because the body isn't adjusted enough to the rigours of matches. Isn't that just to keep stiffness (ooh er) away? So I guess for short periods like the TDF it makes sense but over 9 months? No idea really! Seems like a good way of burning out to me. That I agree with though! I suppose there is time yet for this to hit Spurs plus there's a summer tournament which Kane, Walker and Ali might play a part on in so that could affect them next season. Cycling might be a bad example thinking about it as its geared towards peaks (troughs between races) in condition and like you say football is 9 months so quite some period to sustain a peak. I suppose its the old analogy of train hard fight easy and maybe we just aren't training hard enough?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2016 21:15:50 GMT
Isn't that just to keep stiffness (ooh er) away? So I guess for short periods like the TDF it makes sense but over 9 months? No idea really! Seems like a good way of burning out to me. That I agree with though! I suppose there is time yet for this to hit Spurs plus there's a summer tournament which Kane, Walker and Ali might play a part on in so that could affect them next season. Cycling might be a bad example thinking about it as its geared towards peaks (troughs between races) in condition and like you say football is 9 months so quite some period to sustain a peak. I suppose its the old analogy of train hard fight easy and maybe we just aren't training hard enough? I have no idea but I don't buy bad luck as a theory, I'm a fan of "you make your own luck". For one season it can happen but 2 in a row is dodgy ground. Interesting to see if Cameron gets back any time soon or he's another one that gets a persistent injury they seemingly don't seem too sure about!
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Post by petecampbell on Feb 15, 2016 1:58:59 GMT
I suppose there is time yet for this to hit Spurs plus there's a summer tournament which Kane, Walker and Ali might play a part on in so that could affect them next season. Cycling might be a bad example thinking about it as its geared towards peaks (troughs between races) in condition and like you say football is 9 months so quite some period to sustain a peak. I suppose its the old analogy of train hard fight easy and maybe we just aren't training hard enough? I have no idea but I don't buy bad luck as a theory, I'm a fan of "you make your own luck". For one season it can happen but 2 in a row is dodgy ground. Interesting to see if Cameron gets back any time soon or he's another one that gets a persistent injury they seemingly don't seem too sure about! Cameron will be back soon. We need him to play RB for the rest of the season now!
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Post by foster on Feb 15, 2016 8:00:11 GMT
Bards as cover is fine.
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Post by ethers26 on Feb 15, 2016 11:20:54 GMT
Do we know how long Muniesa's out for?
Bardsley was okay against United but he's a hot head. Muniesa at RB for me if Ryan's back
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 15, 2016 11:34:51 GMT
Is our injury record worse than most teams in the Prem? I mean do we get more injuries to our squad than most other teams? The point I am making is that our real problem may not be the number of injuries we get but the percentage of those injuries that seem to have happened to back four players during the past two seasons.
If our overall injury record is no worse than most, it might simply be bad luck that the majority of our serious injuries have come to defenders.
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Post by foster on Feb 15, 2016 11:53:31 GMT
I'm a little concerned about GJs injury when you look at his age. He's 32 in August and I'm not sure he'll still be as good by the time he recovers. Aside from the sentinel is there anymore news on the injury.
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Post by foster on Feb 15, 2016 11:56:28 GMT
Is our injury record worse than most teams in the Prem? I mean do we get more injuries to our squad than most other teams? The point I am making is that our real problem may not be the number of injuries we get but the percentage of those injuries that seem to have happened to back four players during the past two seasons. If our overall injury record is no worse than most, it might simply be bad luck that the majority of our serious injuries have come to defenders. I think we're unlucky in terms of defensive injuries.
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Post by petecampbell on Feb 15, 2016 12:12:15 GMT
I'm absolutely gutted about Johnson and agree with the above about the concerns about his age in relation to this injury.
Am I missing something though-- Geoff was really good for us at RB last season and his injury return coincides with Johnson's absence, I am guessing he will play there the rest of the season.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 15, 2016 12:13:57 GMT
Any news on how long he'll be out? Knee ligament is what I read, but I assume it's not cruciate?
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Post by ethers26 on Feb 15, 2016 13:03:39 GMT
I'm absolutely gutted about Johnson and agree with the above about the concerns about his age in relation to this injury. Am I missing something though-- Geoff was really good for us at RB last season and his injury return coincides with Johnson's absence, I am guessing he will play there the rest of the season. He was hit and miss at RB, but in our purple patch he was a key player in our midfield. Hopefully Hughes will play him in a 3 with Imbula - he'd break up play and give Imbula a lot more room to play/push on. Who starts alongside those 2 is obviously a big debate.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 15, 2016 13:06:21 GMT
This is a huge blow to our season, make no mistake about that.
Johnson was one of the top Assists provider in the team and was keeping things tight at the back.
His overlapping of Shaqiri on the right has been crucial to our play. Niether Bardsley or Cameron come close to his quality in the final 3rd.
Get well soon Glen
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2016 13:14:56 GMT
Our injury list over the past two seasons is very frustrating but whilst Hughes made wholesale changes to the backroom team, the one thing that remained a constant was the Goalkeeping Coach and the medical team.
We seemed to pick up very few muscle injuries under Tony Pulis' stewardship but Ryan was plagued with back trouble whilst Pulis was here (he had sugar injections every month for the best part of 2 seasons) and Etherington was troubled with persistent back/hamstring injuries as well in the final two seasons of Pulis' tenure.
Are we really getting more muscle injuries than normal? It does seem so but I doubt very much Cameron's is a hamstring injury as has been reported. He picked it up v West Ham having been clattered by a thigh high challenge. That has to be an impact injury of some kind.
Muniesa, like Etherington, has hamstring issues but they were prevalent before we signed him. Perhaps we took a risk in that sense, and this season, that risk hasn't worked out.
Those two aside, the injuries we have seem to unavoidable ones. It feels worse than previous years, but in reality, is it?
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 15, 2016 13:25:20 GMT
We need to do whatever it is that Leicester do to avoid injuries.
With their injury record I am convinced we would be well ahead of them.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 15, 2016 14:37:08 GMT
We need to do whatever it is that Leicester do to avoid injuries. With their injury record I am convinced we would be well ahead of them. no we wouldnt
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Post by rocket888888 on Feb 15, 2016 14:51:19 GMT
The training team probably didn't expect six weeks of two games a week to be honest. Wouldn't surprise me if the regime is so finely tuned that the extra few games is sufficient to increase the likelihood of injuries. tired players are much more likely to twinge something.
very much doubt that our training programme is naive. they'll be of a comparable quality to the players we have i.e. very good...
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