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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 13:40:09 GMT
im not defending him but he had a new player who cant speak english or even understand it.. cdm is a hard role to play at best of times need communicate with the back 4 but also press slighty for the wide men.. he's had a few bad games just lately but we shouldnt just be slating him the whole team as a whole is dire at the min.. we really are missing Ryan,Geoff,In Form Bojan Arnie & Shaqiri but also our strikers that we might as well not play cuz shots on target or even efforts seem to be piss poor... 10 shots on goal 0 on target against united dont think we even took a shot at evertons goal yesterday other than a diouf header... lets face it the team is in an extremely bad run of form, i think its time to switch formation maybe back to a 4-4-2 Butland Johnson - Shawcross - Wally -Pieters Shaqiri - Bojan - Affelay - Arnie Joselu - Diouf I think with that you got the creativity in the middle and wide but usually bojan n affellay are both good at tracking back.. id maybe swop our 18m signing with affellay once he knows english or Spanish untill then get him training for the hard prem graft he needs put in.. Hughes play this formation n there will be goals but some stability in the back... before our whole season goes to pot plz... Hahahahahaha fuck me, it's not FIFA mate. Affelay and Bojan centre midfield - rate then!
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 7, 2016 14:04:11 GMT
I read through the comments sometimes and I wonder how many of the critics were actually there? I read your post, (I was there as usual BTW) and considering the thread is about Glen Whelan you only mention him once, one short 16 word line out of 841. Gouranga.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 7, 2016 14:11:14 GMT
I read through the comments sometimes and I wonder how many of the critics were actually there? If you watched Match of the Day you only saw the dire errors that were clinically punished. If you listened to the radio you actually saw nothing. I was at the match! The one thing that absolutely stood out was Stoke's lack of pace at the back whilst trying to play a high line. 1st Goal: A great piece of skill from Barkley with a back heal released Everton through the middle and Wollsheid was easily beaten by the pace of Cleverley. He was very skilful in getting the penalty. He had knocked the ball away from goal but also very "cleverly" (pun) just looked for any contact to get the penalty. 2nd Goal: Superb delivery and movement on a set piece and although Pieters was only a couple of inches from the cross that was all that Coleman needed. I thought at 2-0 it was very flattering. 3rd Goal: A terrible pass along the back line by Wollshied exposed Muniesa and once intercepted by Lennon there was never going to be an interception. Terrible error! At three nil if you were like me you felt drained and empty and wondering how many more times we might get exposed by pace. I do not think Stoke players lacked skill and effort and when you are frustrated it is easy to start throwing insults at players. Whelan was not at his best yesterday but he has previously been a stalwart in the team. Imbula did as well could be expected in his first game in the league. He looks like that in the future he can be a major influence on the team. Let's face it that as much as we might be dreaming of a top six place we have been found out and some of our squad members who have not been able to meet those standards. Wollshied and Muniesa were shown up yesterday. Pace is everything in offensive play and Everton have that. We could not counter. You look at our offensive players and on paper we look as though we could be a problem for any team. The problem yesterday was that as much as we had the ball for long periods in the Everton half we had no cutting edge. When we sign players for large amounts of money all fans are full of expectancy and they tend to be more patient because they know that extra bit of skill is in the player and they are waiting to see it. Before I criticise players I always wonder if they are carrying injury and they are being asked to play through the pain barrier. I watched Shaqiri yesterday and once he has the ball at his feet he had two or three Everton players around him. This reflects his reputation! He is very confident and I was impressed by the fact that when he had the ball he was always able to make a pass that retained our possession BUT I also not so impressed by his inability to impose himself on a defence. I want to see him go past a player and create a goal scoring pass. Shaqiri cannot be a world class player because he only has one foot! This takes pressure off a full back and a cover player. When you have a bank of two players Shaqiri has not shown much threat. He has not proved as yet that he can consistently be a goal threat. When you then consider Shaqiri's lack of height and physicality it makes me wonder what a scout might have seen to warrant his recommendation for a £12m pound transfer. Excellent post very well balanced. I'm hoping yesterday was the low point of the season. Did fans actually watch Arnautovic closely yesterday. This season he has done some brilliant things! He is capable of brilliance! His major downfall is that he is his biggest fan. Living with Balotelli has certainly not helped. Yesterday he gave the ball away so many times and it was just not good enough. He scores goals but he has also missed so many more. Bojan struggles physically in the Premiership. He shows great vision and can help us to win games but has struggled on the muddy pitches. Diouf has now been with us for long enough even allowing for his sad loss. He has never shown me that he can be an imposing threat on a defence like Lukaku. His technique and passing skills are not good. All in all our downfall at the moment are very clear. The return of Shawcross will strengthen us significantly at the back! We place great emphasis on Shaqiri and Arnautovic for our creativity and they are not doing very well. We do not have a clinical goal scorer. I am hopeful that Hughes and his coaching staff can find the answers. I was impressed by Imbula yesterday! No way do Stoke deserve the animosity I am seeing. We should do what supporters are supposed to do. Be loud and proud!
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Post by thehoof on Feb 7, 2016 14:12:38 GMT
I really think Glen is one of our minor problems right now! He probably is the midfielder who contributes the most to our defensive structure, but he can't do the central defenders job at the same time! Wolly and Muni looked like they never had played at PL level yesterday! The first would never have been a chance if Wolly had been a bit faster or read the situation better, and it didn't make it any better when Jack unnecessarily brought the Everton player down. The second was bad marking at a corner and the third was a horrendous pass by Wolly where Muni wasn't too impressive either. In fact he was closer to the ball than Pieters, but Pieters nearly got there. The same couldn't be said about Muni! Rob, I normally agree with what you say, but for me the first goal yesterday was due to dreadful positional play by our defensive midfielder which was Whelan. He got drawn over to the right back spot, where Johnson had the danger covered, and a simple backheel into the space that the holding midfielder shoul cover was a huge gap for the Everton midfield to rush into. Yesterday was a bad day for most, but it was a particularly bad day for Glen.I got really annoyed when he was berating Butland for not kicking the ball long with about 15 minutes to go, yet Whelan suffers a seizure every time he needs to move the ball forward. He does a reasonable job most of the time, but yesterday he and Affellay did absolutely nothing to help the cause.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 14:18:46 GMT
Sorry - which Glen are we talking about here ?
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 7, 2016 14:25:08 GMT
Sorry - which Glen are we talking about here ? Read the posts and take a wild guess. Gouranga.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 7, 2016 14:26:24 GMT
Sorry - which Glen are we talking about here ? Presumably Glen Johnson. Can't be Glenn Whelan. Too few nnnnnnnnnn's
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 14:36:59 GMT
im not defending him but he had a new player who cant speak english or even understand it.. cdm is a hard role to play at best of times need communicate with the back 4 but also press slighty for the wide men.. he's had a few bad games just lately but we shouldnt just be slating him the whole team as a whole is dire at the min.. we really are missing Ryan,Geoff,In Form Bojan Arnie & Shaqiri but also our strikers that we might as well not play cuz shots on target or even efforts seem to be piss poor... 10 shots on goal 0 on target against united dont think we even took a shot at evertons goal yesterday other than a diouf header... lets face it the team is in an extremely bad run of form, i think its time to switch formation maybe back to a 4-4-2 Butland Johnson - Shawcross - Wally -Pieters Shaqiri - Bojan - Affelay - Arnie Joselu - Diouf I think with that you got the creativity in the middle and wide but usually bojan n affellay are both good at tracking back.. id maybe swop our 18m signing with affellay once he knows english or Spanish untill then get him training for the hard prem graft he needs put in.. Hughes play this formation n there will be goals but some stability in the back... before our whole season goes to pot plz... What preposterous piffle.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 7, 2016 14:37:35 GMT
I really think Glen is one of our minor problems right now! He probably is the midfielder who contributes the most to our defensive structure, but he can't do the central defenders job at the same time! Wolly and Muni looked like they never had played at PL level yesterday! The first would never have been a chance if Wolly had been a bit faster or read the situation better, and it didn't make it any better when Jack unnecessarily brought the Everton player down. The second was bad marking at a corner and the third was a horrendous pass by Wolly where Muni wasn't too impressive either. In fact he was closer to the ball than Pieters, but Pieters nearly got there. The same couldn't be said about Muni! Rob, I normally agree with what you say, but for me the first goal yesterday was due to dreadful positional play by our defensive midfielder which was Whelan. He got drawn over to the right back spot, where Johnson had the danger covered, and a simple backheel into the space that the holding midfielder shoul cover was a huge gap for the Everton midfield to rush into. Yesterday was a bad day for most, but it was a particularly bad day for Glen.I got really annoyed when he was berating Butland for not kicking the ball long with about 15 minutes to go, yet Whelan suffers a seizure every time he needs to move the ball forward. He does a reasonable job most of the time, but yesterday he and Affellay did absolutely nothing to help the cause. I didn't say he was good yesterday as he wasn't, but overall I have no concerns about Glen not being good enough. I actually think this goal wouldn't have been discussed at all with Ryan in the centre.
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Post by kurt on Feb 7, 2016 15:15:30 GMT
the first goal yesterday was due to dreadful positional play by our defensive midfielder which was Whelan. He got drawn over to the right back spot, where Johnson had the danger covered, and a simple backheel into the space that the holding midfielder shoul cover was a huge gap for the Everton midfield to rush into. The truth
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Post by ryan4england on Feb 7, 2016 15:24:31 GMT
Whelan as well as trying to do his own job looked to spend half of yesterday directing Imbula around the pitch when there was an obvious language barrier. Imbula looked decent on the ball but we could of delayed his debut and given him more time to understand his role. There will no doubt be a bedding in period, they won't understand each other straight away
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 7, 2016 15:37:56 GMT
As a shoe in for a place in the starting 11, absolutely dreadful yesterday (no one else was very good) almost stopped the game every time he got the ball couldn't find a stoke player from 3 yards with a pass, offers absolutely nothing going forward, daren't/can't shoot, slow not good in the air. Once Cameron is back and with our record signing both more capable in the same position surely your days are numbered for a guaranteed starting place. Gouranga. Absolute shite of a post,if Whelan hadn't played yesterday god knows what the score would of been.Who the Fuck is better in front of the back four? Was he to blame for any of the goals yesterday?If your going to lambast players start with the two lazy gutless cunts who played on the flanks.You can never question his aptitude, some of those that played yesterday were a disgrace,and Whelan wasn't one of them.You might not notice what Whelan does,but you will notice when he is not playing, because we are a far less effective unit.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Feb 7, 2016 15:53:45 GMT
Glenn Whelan is a great midfield player for us. Yesterday he had a bad game but so did everyone else. He was no worse than anybody else and whelan has more good games than bad ones but when whelan has a bad game it gets noticed. Yesterday was a bad day all around and we now have to move on. My midfield would be Whelan Imbula Cameron
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 17:11:51 GMT
During the Pulis years, I never really rated Whelan as much of a footballer. I put it down to the way in which Pulis had him caged.
Under Hughes, Glenn got a new lease of life, despite not really doing anything much different than before.
This season, I think that whilst I appreciate his effort - there's no doubt that he "puts it in" every game - I'm struggling to see how a club with aspirations to reach the Top 8 can have someone in midfield that offers so little in terms of an overall game.
He's only really capable of doing the basics - plug gaps, put miles in, take simple balls into feet & rotate the ball across (not through) midfield. He can't drive, doesn't have pace, isn't particularly physical. His passing range is very limited, & he doesn't get goals.
In the past this might have been enough. But if we want to be better, and for a club that has £40m to splash in a Transfer Window if required, we should aspire to be better than we are in CM.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 7, 2016 17:30:22 GMT
I really think Glen is one of our minor problems right now! He probably is the midfielder who contributes the most to our defensive structure, but he can't do the central defenders job at the same time! Wolly and Muni looked like they never had played at PL level yesterday! The first would never have been a chance if Wolly had been a bit faster or read the situation better, and it didn't make it any better when Jack unnecessarily brought the Everton player down. The second was bad marking at a corner and the third was a horrendous pass by Wolly where Muni wasn't too impressive either. In fact he was closer to the ball than Pieters, but Pieters nearly got there. The same couldn't be said about Muni! Rob, I normally agree with what you say, but for me the first goal yesterday was due to dreadful positional play by our defensive midfielder which was Whelan. He got drawn over to the right back spot, where Johnson had the danger covered, and a simple backheel into the space that the holding midfielder shoul cover was a huge gap for the Everton midfield to rush into. Yesterday was a bad day for most, but it was a particularly bad day for Glen.I got really annoyed when he was berating Butland for not kicking the ball long with about 15 minutes to go, yet Whelan suffers a seizure every time he needs to move the ball forward. He does a reasonable job most of the time, but yesterday he and Affellay did absolutely nothing to help the cause. So the first goal had nothing to do with our goalkeepers calamitous decision making then? I suppose the second was his fault also for not coming off the post to beat Coleman to the ball,and the third for not covering Woollys wayward cross ball.Fuck me talk about adgendas.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Feb 7, 2016 18:08:06 GMT
I'd say he's got about two seasons left in the tank.
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Post by felonious on Feb 7, 2016 18:26:02 GMT
He was woeful again yesterday, there is no room for a talentless player like him in this team, needs replacing now with either affellay, adam, when fit or cameron, his passing yesterday was embarassing If we'd had another "talented" player in the side yesterday it would've been 6:0 to Everton. Whelan worked his socks off yesterday even getting in the opposition box in the second half something players way ahead of him seemingly failed to do. Shame Walters was ill yesterday.
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Post by thehoof on Feb 7, 2016 18:44:56 GMT
Rob, I normally agree with what you say, but for me the first goal yesterday was due to dreadful positional play by our defensive midfielder which was Whelan. He got drawn over to the right back spot, where Johnson had the danger covered, and a simple backheel into the space that the holding midfielder shoul cover was a huge gap for the Everton midfield to rush into. Yesterday was a bad day for most, but it was a particularly bad day for Glen.I got really annoyed when he was berating Butland for not kicking the ball long with about 15 minutes to go, yet Whelan suffers a seizure every time he needs to move the ball forward. He does a reasonable job most of the time, but yesterday he and Affellay did absolutely nothing to help the cause. So the first goal had nothing to do with our goalkeepers calamitous decision making then? I suppose the second was his fault also for not coming off the post to beat Coleman to the ball,and the third for not covering Woollys wayward cross ball.Fuck me talk about adgendas. Wow! Clearly I blamed Whelan for the second goal and the third. Can you actually read, or are the facts too much for you to take? Which gap did they exploit for the penalty- well blow me, straight through the middle where GW should have been.And you talk about agendas?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 18:58:15 GMT
He was woeful again yesterday, there is no room for a talentless player like him in this team, needs replacing now with either affellay, adam, when fit or cameron, his passing yesterday was embarassing If we'd had another "talented" player in the side yesterday it would've been 6:0 to Everton. Whelan worked his socks off yesterday even getting in the opposition box in the second half something players way ahead of him seemingly failed to do. Shame Walters was ill yesterday. There is such a thing as a 'talented' CDM.
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Post by chad on Feb 7, 2016 19:07:15 GMT
He was woeful again yesterday, there is no room for a talentless player like him in this team, needs replacing now with either affellay, adam, when fit or cameron, his passing yesterday was embarassing Talentless. FFS he's had a few less than great games. Six weeks ago he was a world beater , probably our best ever value for money signing, a legend. Now he's fucking talentless Jesus wept I despair at times
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Post by y2j on Feb 7, 2016 20:02:14 GMT
I really do wonder sometimes whether some fans actually have any understanding of people's roles in a team?!?! He wasn't great yesterday but there were far worse players than him. Whelan has been 1 of our best players this season bettered only by Butland & Shawcross and many people I know feel the same. His role is to sit in front of the CB's, keep the ball and keep it simple and he does it very well. To do that he doesn't need to be lighting quick, really physical etc, that's not how his role works.
Afellay, the entire back 4, Diouf, Arnie were all worse than he was yesterday.
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Post by stantheman on Feb 7, 2016 20:02:39 GMT
Sorry - which Glen are we talking about here ? I had to ask myself the same question. To me Johnson could do with a rest and Bardsley did well when he came on at OT
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Post by march4 on Feb 7, 2016 20:06:24 GMT
Is this steaming pile of horse poo of a thread still running.
It should have been sh*t binned within milliseconds of being created.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 7, 2016 20:28:01 GMT
So the first goal had nothing to do with our goalkeepers calamitous decision making then? I suppose the second was his fault also for not coming off the post to beat Coleman to the ball,and the third for not covering Woollys wayward cross ball.Fuck me talk about adgendas. Wow! Clearly I blamed Whelan for the second goal and the third. Can you actually read, or are the facts too much for you to take? Which gap did they exploit for the penalty- well blow me, straight through the middle where GW should have been.And you talk about agendas? If you can blame him for the first you might as well blame him for the other two goals as well.Bloody hell do I have to spell it out? Only a person with an agenda could blame Whelan for a clear goalkeeping error.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 20:31:29 GMT
im not defending him but he had a new player who cant speak english or even understand it.. cdm is a hard role to play at best of times need communicate with the back 4 but also press slighty for the wide men.. he's had a few bad games just lately but we shouldnt just be slating him the whole team as a whole is dire at the min.. we really are missing Ryan,Geoff,In Form Bojan Arnie & Shaqiri but also our strikers that we might as well not play cuz shots on target or even efforts seem to be piss poor... 10 shots on goal 0 on target against united dont think we even took a shot at evertons goal yesterday other than a diouf header... lets face it the team is in an extremely bad run of form, i think its time to switch formation maybe back to a 4-4-2 Butland Johnson - Shawcross - Wally -Pieters Shaqiri - Bojan - Affelay - Arnie Joselu - Diouf I think with that you got the creativity in the middle and wide but usually bojan n affellay are both good at tracking back.. id maybe swop our 18m signing with affellay once he knows english or Spanish untill then get him training for the hard prem graft he needs put in.. Hughes play this formation n there will be goals but some stability in the back... before our whole season goes to pot plz... Holy fuck Remarkable.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 7, 2016 21:52:23 GMT
im not defending him but he had a new player who cant speak english or even understand it.. cdm is a hard role to play at best of times need communicate with the back 4 but also press slighty for the wide men.. he's had a few bad games just lately but we shouldnt just be slating him the whole team as a whole is dire at the min.. we really are missing Ryan,Geoff,In Form Bojan Arnie & Shaqiri but also our strikers that we might as well not play cuz shots on target or even efforts seem to be piss poor... 10 shots on goal 0 on target against united dont think we even took a shot at evertons goal yesterday other than a diouf header... lets face it the team is in an extremely bad run of form, i think its time to switch formation maybe back to a 4-4-2 Butland Johnson - Shawcross - Wally -Pieters Shaqiri - Bojan - Affelay - Arnie Joselu - Diouf I think with that you got the creativity in the middle and wide but usually bojan n affellay are both good at tracking back.. id maybe swop our 18m signing with affellay once he knows english or Spanish untill then get him training for the hard prem graft he needs put in.. Hughes play this formation n there will be goals but some stability in the back... before our whole season goes to pot plz... Holy fuck Remarkable. There's clearly been a resurgence in the use of LSD in certain areas of Stoke on Trent recently.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Feb 7, 2016 21:54:30 GMT
Overall he has been our best player in the premiership.
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Post by thehoof on Feb 7, 2016 23:32:02 GMT
Wow! Clearly I blamed Whelan for the second goal and the third. Can you actually read, or are the facts too much for you to take? Which gap did they exploit for the penalty- well blow me, straight through the middle where GW should have been.And you talk about agendas? If you can blame him for the first you might as well blame him for the other two goals as well.Bloody hell do I have to spell it out? Only a person with an agenda could blame Whelan for a clear goalkeeping error. And only someone with a hard on for GW could see that he failed to do what every poster (anti or pro GW ) has pointed out.The job of the DCM is to sit in front of the defense, not protect the full back (C stands for Central although I'll give you clueless in your case.)The only person with an agenda is you.
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Post by BuzzB on Feb 7, 2016 23:44:58 GMT
I'd say he's got about two seasons left in the tank with Bury. Thats better
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 7, 2016 23:49:23 GMT
No player infuriates me more than Whelan, even when he plays well.
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