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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 7, 2016 11:02:57 GMT
As a shoe in for a place in the starting 11, absolutely dreadful yesterday (no one else was very good) almost stopped the game every time he got the ball couldn't find a stoke player from 3 yards with a pass, offers absolutely nothing going forward, daren't/can't shoot, slow not good in the air. Once Cameron is back and with our record signing both more capable in the same position surely your days are numbered for a guaranteed starting place. Gouranga.  |
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Post by st3mark on Feb 7, 2016 11:06:44 GMT
I won't write Whelan completely off after 3 or 4 bad games. He's proved himself over a long period and in the games he's been poor there have been several other poor players.
However. He is droppable at the moment. Geoff is a reasonable shout, also out for changed for the better earlier in the season when Adam was given a chance.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 7, 2016 11:08:23 GMT
I won't write Whelan completely off after 3 or 4 bad games. He's proved himself over a long period and in the games he's been poor there have been several other poor players. However. He is droppable at the moment. Geoff is a reasonable shout, also out for changed for the better earlier in the season when Adam was given a chance. Do you reckon it's only 3 or 4 bad games? It's a lot more IMO. Gouranga. |
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Post by jarvinski on Feb 7, 2016 11:08:42 GMT
He was woeful again yesterday, there is no room for a talentless player like him in this team, needs replacing now with either affellay, adam, when fit or cameron, his passing yesterday was embarassing
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 11:10:53 GMT
He has been written off a few times on here and come back.
But I agree he needs dropping as the last 4 games we would have been better playing with 10 men.
Geoff and imbula next week please.
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Post by werrington on Feb 7, 2016 11:11:24 GMT
He was woeful again yesterday, there is no room for a talentless player like him in this team, needs replacing now with either affellay, adam, when fit or cameron, his passing yesterday was embarassing You've been spewing this shite for 8 years now One day you'll be correct and you'll act like you were all along |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 7, 2016 11:12:26 GMT
The pair Glen's if yesterday is to go off.......of course it isn't.
But I still don't see a working midfield without him in it.
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 7, 2016 11:13:42 GMT
Well at the moment there is only one player in the squad that can replace him. That's Geoff but he's injured.
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Post by kurt on Feb 7, 2016 11:15:06 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 7, 2016 11:15:01 GMT
I really think Glen is one of our minor problems right now! He probably is the midfielder who contributes the most to our defensive structure, but he can't do the central defenders job at the same time! Wolly and Muni looked like they never had played at PL level yesterday! The first would never have been a chance if Wolly had been a bit faster or read the situation better, and it didn't make it any better when Jack unnecessarily brought the Everton player down. The second was bad marking at a corner and the third was a horrendous pass by Wolly where Muni wasn't too impressive either. In fact he was closer to the ball than Pieters, but Pieters nearly got there. The same couldn't be said about Muni!  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 7, 2016 11:16:33 GMT
I really think Glen is one of our minor problems right now! He probably is the midfielder who contributes the most to our defensive structure, but he can't do the central defenders job at the same time! Wolly and Muni looked like they never had played at PL level yesterday! The first would never have been a chance if Wolly had been a bit faster or read the situation better, and it didn't make it any better when Jack unnecessarily brought the Everton player down. The second was bad marking at a corner and the third was a horrendous pass by Wolly where Muni wasn't too impressive either. In fact he was closer to the ball than Pieter, but Pieters nearly got there. The same couldn't be said about Muni! The only one to blame for the third is Wolly. He panicked his bollocks off and fucked up. |
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Post by liamo on Feb 7, 2016 11:24:13 GMT
I think it's a bit unfair on Glen tbh, half the team don't know what they should be doing at any given time and it's really frustrating to watch
Hughes needs to get them doing the basics again and not fanny around shifting positions, for example, if we've got a striker on the pitch why is Arnie spending 90% of his time on the pitch moving to the centre? Possession football is our downfall at the moment and Glen is it's biggest victim, we keep the ball well but never do anything meaningful with it, i'd love for a team to come to the brit and force us on to the back foot and force us to defend so we can break, as it stands all the opposition does is let us keep the ball for a bit and try to get at them then rip our nuts off when 90% of our team is out of position and we surrender the ball
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Post by h3nd0 on Feb 7, 2016 11:25:34 GMT
im not defending him but he had a new player who cant speak english or even understand it.. cdm is a hard role to play at best of times need communicate with the back 4 but also press slighty for the wide men.. he's had a few bad games just lately but we shouldnt just be slating him the whole team as a whole is dire at the min.. we really are missing Ryan,Geoff,In Form Bojan Arnie & Shaqiri but also our strikers that we might as well not play cuz shots on target or even efforts seem to be piss poor... 10 shots on goal 0 on target against united dont think we even took a shot at evertons goal yesterday other than a diouf header...
lets face it the team is in an extremely bad run of form, i think its time to switch formation maybe back to a 4-4-2
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Johnson - Shawcross - Wally -Pieters
Shaqiri - Bojan - Affelay - Arnie
Joselu - Diouf
I think with that you got the creativity in the middle and wide but usually bojan n affellay are both good at tracking back.. id maybe swop our 18m signing with affellay once he knows english or Spanish untill then get him training for the hard prem graft he needs put in..
Hughes play this formation n there will be goals but some stability in the back... before our whole season goes to pot plz...
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Post by madpotter on Feb 7, 2016 11:28:22 GMT
I don't not like Glenn, but the amount of times he misplaces a simple pass or dithers on the ball so long the attack breaks down is astounding, there was one instance yesterday where he had 2 options Johnson or Shaq and he just blasted the ball in between them and out for a throw.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 7, 2016 11:31:33 GMT
Take Whelan out of the current Ryan-less set up and that's zero leadership out on the park.
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Post by jonnynico on Feb 7, 2016 11:35:20 GMT
im not defending him but he had a new player who cant speak english or even understand it.. cdm is a hard role to play at best of times need communicate with the back 4 but also press slighty for the wide men.. he's had a few bad games just lately but we shouldnt just be slating him the whole team as a whole is dire at the min.. we really are missing Ryan,Geoff,In Form Bojan Arnie & Shaqiri but also our strikers that we might as well not play cuz shots on target or even efforts seem to be piss poor... 10 shots on goal 0 on target against united dont think we even took a shot at evertons goal yesterday other than a diouf header... lets face it the team is in an extremely bad run of form, i think its time to switch formation maybe back to a 4-4-2 Butland Johnson - Shawcross - Wally -Pieters Shaqiri - Bojan - Affelay - Arnie Joselu - Diouf I think with that you got the creativity in the middle and wide but usually bojan n affellay are both good at tracking back.. id maybe swop our 18m signing with affellay once he knows english or Spanish untill then get him training for the hard prem graft he needs put in.. Hughes play this formation n there will be goals but some stability in the back... before our whole season goes to pot plz... And leave out the only player who was able to pass to a team mate, £18 mil  |
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Post by stantheman on Feb 7, 2016 11:40:44 GMT
He was no worse than anyone else yesterday. I dread to think how bad we would have been if he hadn't played.
Captain Eric again, king of the crosses? No thanks.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 7, 2016 11:42:12 GMT
Absolute rubbish.
I don't know if it's because his job isn't very spectacular, or because he has the Pulis taint, but there are some people who have always got their knives out for Whelan.
Our best midfield now is Whelan-Imbula-Bojan.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 7, 2016 12:04:01 GMT
I really think Glen is one of our minor problems right now! He probably is the midfielder who contributes the most to our defensive structure, but he can't do the central defenders job at the same time! Wolly and Muni looked like they never had played at PL level yesterday! The first would never have been a chance if Wolly had been a bit faster or read the situation better, and it didn't make it any better when Jack unnecessarily brought the Everton player down. The second was bad marking at a corner and the third was a horrendous pass by Wolly where Muni wasn't too impressive either. In fact he was closer to the ball than Pieter, but Pieters nearly got there. The same couldn't be said about Muni! The only one to blame for the third is Wolly. He panicked his bollocks off and fucked up. In a way you're right, but teammates should do their best to stop it from being a chance anyway! The pace of Muni in that situation and when Kone broke free in the second half was not very impressive! One thing is that he is lightweight, but he is slow as f--- too! Really not good enough as a defender in the PL. Sell! |
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Post by RAF on Feb 7, 2016 12:06:02 GMT
His passing over the last few games has been Sunday League standard.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Feb 7, 2016 12:07:18 GMT
As ever, he was one of the few who looked bothered yesterday. Not his best game but never hid as usual.
He did not get a lot of defensive help from the new guy either, who otherwise was excellent
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Post by oslostokie1 on Feb 7, 2016 12:11:38 GMT
im not defending him but he had a new player who cant speak english or even understand it.. cdm is a hard role to play at best of times need communicate with the back 4 but also press slighty for the wide men.. he's had a few bad games just lately but we shouldnt just be slating him the whole team as a whole is dire at the min.. we really are missing Ryan,Geoff,In Form Bojan Arnie & Shaqiri but also our strikers that we might as well not play cuz shots on target or even efforts seem to be piss poor... 10 shots on goal 0 on target against united dont think we even took a shot at evertons goal yesterday other than a diouf header... lets face it the team is in an extremely bad run of form, i think its time to switch formation maybe back to a 4-4-2 Butland Johnson - Shawcross - Wally -Pieters Shaqiri - Bojan - Affelay - Arnie Joselu - Diouf I think with that you got the creativity in the middle and wide but usually bojan n affellay are both good at tracking back.. id maybe swop our 18m signing with affellay once he knows english or Spanish untill then get him training for the hard prem graft he needs put in.. Hughes play this formation n there will be goals but some stability in the back... before our whole season goes to pot plz... What a load of garbage. Drop Imbula after an excellent debut and play Bojan and Afellay as a defensive two as they are "both good at tracking back"! It is clear that they are both useless at it |
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Post by reddipotter on Feb 7, 2016 12:29:37 GMT
As ever, he was one of the few who looked bothered yesterday. Not his best game but never hid as usual. He did not get a lot of defensive help from the new guy either, who otherwise was excellent Agreed. And there was the worst centre back performance in living memory happening behind him. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 7, 2016 12:33:38 GMT
Not great yesterday but there were at least 7 worse Stoke players than him on the pitch , hopefully when Cam is fit he can be rested but until Imbula arrived we had no real cover for him , still a vital squad member amongst that bunch of drama queens
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Post by borat on Feb 7, 2016 12:33:51 GMT
im not defending him but he had a new player who cant speak english or even understand it.. cdm is a hard role to play at best of times need communicate with the back 4 but also press slighty for the wide men.. he's had a few bad games just lately but we shouldnt just be slating him the whole team as a whole is dire at the min.. we really are missing Ryan,Geoff,In Form Bojan Arnie & Shaqiri but also our strikers that we might as well not play cuz shots on target or even efforts seem to be piss poor... 10 shots on goal 0 on target against united dont think we even took a shot at evertons goal yesterday other than a diouf header... lets face it the team is in an extremely bad run of form, i think its time to switch formation maybe back to a 4-4-2 Butland Johnson - Shawcross - Wally -Pieters Shaqiri - Bojan - Affelay - Arnie Joselu - Diouf I think with that you got the creativity in the middle and wide but usually bojan n affellay are both good at tracking back.. id maybe swop our 18m signing with affellay once he knows english or Spanish untill then get him training for the hard prem graft he needs put in.. Hughes play this formation n there will be goals but some stability in the back... before our whole season goes to pot plz... That team would be ripped to shreds against any half decent team in the league, far too attack minded with no defensive midfielder. However the way we are playing we have nothing to lose so try it lol. |
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Feb 7, 2016 12:49:37 GMT
Fuck me we have some tools that call themselves fans.
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Post by MooG on Feb 7, 2016 12:50:34 GMT
Being somebody who would have agreed with this statement for most of Whelan's time with us might indicate a certain bias on my behalf but... at the moment he's just about the only player we have that reads the game well enough to be standing in the right place when the opposition attacks. Cameron is different - he uses his athleticism to chase down the ball - so he could do a similar job but isn't a direct replacement.
Since I wouldn't like people to think I've gone soft on him; the problem is what happens when the ball actually goes near him. I'll accept that his lack of attacking threat isn't an issue (if he was a great passer &/or ball carrier he'd be with a bigger club than us); but his heading is a touch ropey and his tackling can be of the dive in and hope variety at times.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 7, 2016 12:55:44 GMT
I reckon Whelan will benefit from a couple of games on the bench, he always seems to excel after he's been out of the team for a couple of weeks.
I'd go with Cameron and Imbula against Bournemouth, both of them have good engines so it should hopefully plug the gap between moving it from our defence into attack quickly.
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Post by march4 on Feb 7, 2016 13:05:42 GMT
Glen Whelan was easily our best player yesterday.
He was the ONLY player who seemed arsed.
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Post by silverdollar on Feb 7, 2016 13:31:19 GMT
I read through the comments sometimes and I wonder how many of the critics were actually there? If you watched Match of the Day you only saw the dire errors that were clinically punished. If you listened to the radio you actually saw nothing. I was at the match!
The one thing that absolutely stood out was Stoke's lack of pace at the back whilst trying to play a high line.
1st Goal: A great piece of skill from Barkley with a back heal released Everton through the middle and Wollsheid was easily beaten by the pace of Cleverley. He was very skilful in getting the penalty. He had knocked the ball away from goal but also very "cleverly" (pun) just looked for any contact to get the penalty.
2nd Goal: Superb delivery and movement on a set piece and although Pieters was only a couple of inches from the cross that was all that Coleman needed. I thought at 2-0 it was very flattering.
3rd Goal: A terrible pass along the back line by Wollshied exposed Muniesa and once intercepted by Lennon there was never going to be an interception. Terrible error!
At three nil if you were like me you felt drained and empty and wondering how many more times we might get exposed by pace.
I do not think Stoke players lacked skill and effort and when you are frustrated it is easy to start throwing insults at players.
Whelan was not at his best yesterday but he has previously been a stalwart in the team.
Imbula did as well could be expected in his first game in the league. He looks like that in the future he can be a major influence on the team.
Let's face it that as much as we might be dreaming of a top six place we have been found out and some of our squad members who have not been able to meet those standards. Wollshied and Muniesa were shown up yesterday. Pace is everything in offensive play and Everton have that. We could not counter.
You look at our offensive players and on paper we look as though we could be a problem for any team. The problem yesterday was that as much as we had the ball for long periods in the Everton half we had no cutting edge.
When we sign players for large amounts of money all fans are full of expectancy and they tend to be more patient because they know that extra bit of skill is in the player and they are waiting to see it.
Before I criticise players I always wonder if they are carrying injury and they are being asked to play through the pain barrier. I watched Shaqiri yesterday and once he has the ball at his feet he had two or three Everton players around him. This reflects his reputation! He is very confident and I was impressed by the fact that when he had the ball he was always able to make a pass that retained our possession BUT I also not so impressed by his inability to impose himself on a defence. I want to see him go past a player and create a goal scoring pass. Shaqiri cannot be a world class player because he only has one foot! This takes pressure off a full back and a cover player. When you have a bank of two players Shaqiri has not shown much threat. He has not proved as yet that he can consistently be a goal threat. When you then consider Shaqiri's lack of height and physicality it makes me wonder what a scout might have seen to warrant his recommendation for a £12m pound transfer.
Did fans actually watch Arnautovic closely yesterday. This season he has done some brilliant things! He is capable of brilliance! His major downfall is that he is his biggest fan. Living with Balotelli has certainly not helped. Yesterday he gave the ball away so many times and it was just not good enough. He scores goals but he has also missed so many more.
Bojan struggles physically in the Premiership. He shows great vision and can help us to win games but has struggled on the muddy pitches.
Diouf has now been with us for long enough even allowing for his sad loss. He has never shown me that he can be an imposing threat on a defence like Lukaku. His technique and passing skills are not good.
All in all our downfall at the moment are very clear.
The return of Shawcross will strengthen us significantly at the back!
We place great emphasis on Shaqiri and Arnautovic for our creativity and they are not doing very well.
We do not have a clinical goal scorer.
I am hopeful that Hughes and his coaching staff can find the answers. I was impressed by Imbula yesterday!
No way do Stoke deserve the animosity I am seeing. We should do what supporters are supposed to do. Be loud and proud!
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