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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 19:37:20 GMT
The ones by me didn't like Fuller but they don't like plodders either! They like Bojan. Who before his injury was a mixture of the two, graft and quality. Arnie has quality but also puts a shift in for the team ..but some only see what their eyes want them to see. I agree but and they do but that's what they think. It's done for any reason other than that's what they believe. I don't get why people find that so hard to understand.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 28, 2016 19:39:07 GMT
to be fair, league goals wise he's only ever scored 9 (Arnie's current total in the league) or more twice in his entire career...neither times for us and the major difference is that walters is a forward whilst Arnie isn't. Personally i don't want either to be "fucked off" by the club but if people were to want SJW to go i could understand why as if you want to progress you need a forward who'll score more than 7 or 8 league goals a year. to want Arnie to go when he's scoring more than our forwards whilst playing as a winger and contributing to other goals we've scored this season is ludicrous. ludicrous comparison really that doesn't really bear any kind of scrutiny whatsoever. Walters is our top Premier League goalscorer and scores a good number in the league consistently for us. He's also played a lot on the wing especially in the last 2/3 years. It's a very fair comparison. no it's not mate. Walters has played out on the wing agreed (and i don't have an issue with him, like i said i don't want him gone either) but even when he has played up front, he's never scored 9 Prem goals for anyone...ever!!!! he scored 9 in league 2 and 13 in the Champ, apart from that he's never scored more than 8. simple fact is that Arnie gets more assists and contributes to our overall play more tha SJW and also happens to be scoring more than SJW as well. as it happens, neither of us want Arnie gone anyway so no real point in arguing but i'm just pointing out the fact that people wanting Arnie gone is nothing like some people not shedding a tear if SJW goes....one creates, provides assists and scores goals whilst the other runs a lot, scores less and not much else
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 19:44:08 GMT
Yep, tent is set up and the camp fire is going. When do we start the camp songs around the baked beans on the fire? So that's nothing then, marvellous. What do you want me to say? There are people in the stands and on here that have put themselves into a position with Arnautovic that now when he has a good game they have to keep their mouths shut and when he has a bad game they are down his backside quicker than a rat up a drainpipe. You can deny it as much as you want but the evidence is there to see on here. Instead of posting crap every two seconds, stop typing and go and look for yourself. I'm not making it up, it's there, on the screen...in black and white. When he first came here they stuck the boot into him calling him lazy. When the stats were outed and he was proven to be our hardest working wide man it changed to his consistency and his body language 'making it look like he was lazy'. Now that his consistency is better we're now at third base. Quiet until he has a bad game and ripping into him over his contract. It's pathetic and yet again, you are trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible.
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Post by crownmeking on Feb 28, 2016 19:47:26 GMT
Theres also folk on this forum and in Stoke On Trent who'll never admit it but - they dont like Crouch because of what he earns ! the only true reason - they cant handle it Bang on!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 19:48:24 GMT
Walters is our top Premier League goalscorer and scores a good number in the league consistently for us. He's also played a lot on the wing especially in the last 2/3 years. It's a very fair comparison. no it's not mate. Walters has played out on the wing agreed (and i don't have an issue with him, like i said i don't want him gone either) but even when he has played up front, he's never scored 9 Prem goals for anyone...ever!!!! he scored 9 in league 2 and 13 in the Champ, apart from that he's never scored more than 8. simple fact is that Arnie gets more assists and contributes to our overall play more tha SJW and also happens to be scoring more than SJW as well. as it happens, neither of us want Arnie gone anyway so no real point in arguing but i'm just pointing out the fact that people wanting Arnie gone is nothing like some people not shedding a tear if SJW goes....one creates, provides assists and scores goals whilst the other runs a lot, scores less and not much else He's still scored a lot though (and got 8 twice), enough for him to fall into the same category really but he doesn't. And I agree he does, I don't like Walters and never have done but he's still contributed a lot to our relative success in the Premier League. But people have wanted Walters gone from the off even when he got 8 goals in the league or vital goals in the cup in spite of that because he's not the sort of footballer they want to be watching. I'm one of them. If Arnie falls into that category for people then so be it. It's nothing to do with agendas or any of that bollocks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 19:52:43 GMT
So that's nothing then, marvellous. What do you want me to say? There are people in the stands and on here that have put themselves into a position with Arnautovic that now when he has a good game they have to keep their mouths shut and when he has a bad game they are down his backside quicker than a rat up a drainpipe. You can deny it as much as you want but the evidence is there to see on here. Instead of posting crap every two seconds, stop typing and go and look for yourself. I'm not making it up, it's there, on the screen...in black and white. When he first came here they stuck the boot into him calling him lazy. When the stats were outed and he was proven to be our hardest working wide man it changed to his consistency and his body language 'making it look like he was lazy'. Now that his consistency is better we're now at third base. Quiet until he has a bad game and ripping into him over his contract. It's pathetic and yet again, you are trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible. I don't think it's true though. His consistency and body language were always commented on, it was part of the package of them. It was hilarious but it always was. I still think he's massively inconsistent and I love the bloke. And the contract thing will always happen, that's standard Stoke fan. It's not always about agnendas and about being too entrenched, indeed I know no one who gives a single fuck about shit like that. They just don't like him and that's fair enough, it's how life works. It's why I don't get it at all.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 28, 2016 19:55:34 GMT
Arnie's arrogant, that's why I think some Stoke fans don't like him. Genuinely can't come up with another reason because he's my favourite player to watch and find it utterly mind boggling when I still meet Stoke fans who don't like him. Correct. Arnie has the cocky swagger of a confident footballer, which is fine by me. He's always out at the end applauding US. Even when most have left the ground. I don't think Arnie is 'arrogant' towards us and the opportunity we're giving him at all. He's now a Potter, like the finest figure painter we'll ever have the privilege to watch. If I was Arnie I'd wait until after the Euros before committing to owt. Business unfortunately. Arnautovic is the kind of player who keeps nogger worth watching.
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 28, 2016 20:14:35 GMT
Why does every thread at some point mutate into slagging off Jon Walters???
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Post by Do it for dobing on Feb 28, 2016 20:45:05 GMT
I honestly can't believe we're having a serious discussion about Arnie's supposed 'attitude'. His attitude, passion, moods and approach are what make him what he is as a player. He's a very popular squad member, a selfless player and has 10 goals and 4 assists this season - mainly from a position on the wing. And he cost us less than two and a half million! You go the extra mile for a player like that and I'm sure that's what Stoke will do. Unbelievable that some fans just can't savor these times and players such as Arni,Shaq,Imbulla,Affelay and Bojan.We have waited 40 years to see a team such as this enjoy it while it's here
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 28, 2016 21:20:11 GMT
4/5 ? You mean 80 % ? Yep, about right !! You don't half chat some shit. Did you watch the League Cup Final? Did you watch how wank Stirling was? Arnie is ten times the player he is for a fraction of the cost.
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 28, 2016 22:58:06 GMT
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 28, 2016 23:29:40 GMT
I like him but I find him frustrating. It's not traits that have been heavily focussed on but it's small things like sitting on the floor complaining rather than getting up and getting on with it. He also pulls up and shrugs his shoulders when he is overloaded with men rather than trying to deal with the situation. I know I'm over thinking it but it implies petulance. A player who has fantastic technique but there are parts of his game that can be improved by giving himself to the team a little more. He deserves a better contract as you'd have to value him higher than when we signed him and there will be Premiership teams queueing up for him.
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Post by mateybass on Feb 29, 2016 2:39:49 GMT
Why does every thread at some point mutate into slagging off Jon Walters??? It's Kitson's fault
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 7:42:21 GMT
We've got a player whose scored TEN goals already this season from out wide and people want him " fucked off " !!! It's mind blowing Just a few muppets on here, the majority of us realise what a class player we have got.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 7:47:31 GMT
4/5 ? You mean 80 % ? Yep, about right !! You don't half chat some shit. Did you watch the League Cup Final? Did you watch how wank Stirling was? Arnie is ten times the player he is for a fraction of the cost. Sterling is looking like one of the biggest waste of money ever, I can't believe someone paid that fee for him.
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Post by foster on Feb 29, 2016 7:59:26 GMT
You don't half chat some shit. Did you watch the League Cup Final? Did you watch how wank Stirling was? Arnie is ten times the player he is for a fraction of the cost. Sterling is looking like one of the biggest waste of money ever, I can't believe someone paid that fee for him. Torres and Andy Caroll have got to be up there as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 8:04:00 GMT
Sterling is looking like one of the biggest waste of money ever, I can't believe someone paid that fee for him. Torres and Andy Caroll have got to be up there as well. Yeah, they are on that level.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 29, 2016 8:07:10 GMT
So that's nothing then, marvellous. What do you want me to say? There are people in the stands and on here that have put themselves into a position with Arnautovic that now when he has a good game they have to keep their mouths shut and when he has a bad game they are down his backside quicker than a rat up a drainpipe. You can deny it as much as you want but the evidence is there to see on here. Instead of posting crap every two seconds, stop typing and go and look for yourself. I'm not making it up, it's there, on the screen...in black and white. When he first came here they stuck the boot into him calling him lazy. When the stats were outed and he was proven to be our hardest working wide man it changed to his consistency and his body language 'making it look like he was lazy'. Now that his consistency is better we're now at third base. Quiet until he has a bad game and ripping into him over his contract. It's pathetic and yet again, you are trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible. Works both ways. There are some on here who have their heads so far up his arse that they refuse to acknowledge it when his form drops. He's been outstanding for the majority of this season and I have absolutely no problem in saying that despite being one of his most vocal critics on here in previous seasons. Is his consistency an issue? Of course it is given the contract he's apparently seeking. I know not every player plays at their best every week but when Arnie's off his game it normally leads to a shocker of a performance. We drastically need a third winger in a different mould to provide cover for both Arnie and Shaq
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Post by werrington on Feb 29, 2016 8:11:02 GMT
What do you want me to say? There are people in the stands and on here that have put themselves into a position with Arnautovic that now when he has a good game they have to keep their mouths shut and when he has a bad game they are down his backside quicker than a rat up a drainpipe. You can deny it as much as you want but the evidence is there to see on here. Instead of posting crap every two seconds, stop typing and go and look for yourself. I'm not making it up, it's there, on the screen...in black and white. When he first came here they stuck the boot into him calling him lazy. When the stats were outed and he was proven to be our hardest working wide man it changed to his consistency and his body language 'making it look like he was lazy'. Now that his consistency is better we're now at third base. Quiet until he has a bad game and ripping into him over his contract. It's pathetic and yet again, you are trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible. Works both ways. There are some on here who have their heads so far up his arse that they refuse to acknowledge it when his form drops. He's been outstanding for the majority of this season and I have absolutely no problem in saying that despite being one of his most vocal critics on here in previous seasons. Is his consistency an issue? Of course it is given the contract he's apparently seeking. I know not every player plays at their best every week but when Arnie's off his game it normally leads to a shocker of a performance. We drastically need a third winger in a different mould to provide cover for both Arnie and Shaq "Refuse to acknowledge it when his form drops" ...you mean one bad game deserves the shit he gets on here ? But you defend to the hilt a certain player when he's out of form for weeks mate
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Post by crownmeking on Feb 29, 2016 8:16:06 GMT
I like him but I find him frustrating. It's not traits that have been heavily focussed on but it's small things like sitting on the floor complaining rather than getting up and getting on with it. He also pulls up and shrugs his shoulders when he is overloaded with men rather than trying to deal with the situation. I know I'm over thinking it but it implies petulance. A player who has fantastic technique but there are parts of his game that can be improved by giving himself to the team a little more. He deserves a better contract as you'd have to value him higher than when we signed him and there will be Premiership teams queueing up for him. What is this 'give himself to the team more' crap? The man is just as much a team player as the others... you know, as in four assists this season, much improved tracking back... But don't let any of the facts get in the way of your clouded view, will you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 8:16:12 GMT
What do you want me to say? There are people in the stands and on here that have put themselves into a position with Arnautovic that now when he has a good game they have to keep their mouths shut and when he has a bad game they are down his backside quicker than a rat up a drainpipe. You can deny it as much as you want but the evidence is there to see on here. Instead of posting crap every two seconds, stop typing and go and look for yourself. I'm not making it up, it's there, on the screen...in black and white. When he first came here they stuck the boot into him calling him lazy. When the stats were outed and he was proven to be our hardest working wide man it changed to his consistency and his body language 'making it look like he was lazy'. Now that his consistency is better we're now at third base. Quiet until he has a bad game and ripping into him over his contract. It's pathetic and yet again, you are trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible. Works both ways. There are some on here who have their heads so far up his arse that they refuse to acknowledge it when his form drops. He's been outstanding for the majority of this season and I have absolutely no problem in saying that despite being one of his most vocal critics on here in previous seasons. Is his consistency an issue? Of course it is given the contract he's apparently seeking. I know not every player plays at their best every week but when Arnie's off his game it normally leads to a shocker of a performance. We drastically need a third winger in a different mould to provide cover for both Arnie and Shaq It only works both ways with people who want to see it both ways. There are more than a few on here that have taken this long to grudgingly praise his good form this season yet couldn't wait to log on previously at the mere hint of a bad game.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 29, 2016 8:18:16 GMT
There's a great quote from Arnie in that Sentinel article
"(The second) was a little chester," he said. "I tried to head the ball but Shaq thought he was trying to cross to Crouchy, but it was me."
He's a fantastic player and he's making the right noises regarding wanting to stay, before the season is out he'll be in double figures for goals scored which is awesome for a winger.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 29, 2016 8:49:47 GMT
Works both ways. There are some on here who have their heads so far up his arse that they refuse to acknowledge it when his form drops. He's been outstanding for the majority of this season and I have absolutely no problem in saying that despite being one of his most vocal critics on here in previous seasons. Is his consistency an issue? Of course it is given the contract he's apparently seeking. I know not every player plays at their best every week but when Arnie's off his game it normally leads to a shocker of a performance. We drastically need a third winger in a different mould to provide cover for both Arnie and Shaq "Refuse to acknowledge it when his form drops" ...you mean one bad game deserves the shit he gets on here ? But you defend to the hilt a certain player when he's out of form for weeks mate He doesn't get much shit on here, not compared with others. These threads tend to get huge because of the huge swarm of posters stepping up to defend him and question the mental state of the posters who don't think he's performing. Walters, Whelan ect get a lot more flak. Walters has even been dragged into this thread for example.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 29, 2016 8:52:08 GMT
Works both ways. There are some on here who have their heads so far up his arse that they refuse to acknowledge it when his form drops. He's been outstanding for the majority of this season and I have absolutely no problem in saying that despite being one of his most vocal critics on here in previous seasons. Is his consistency an issue? Of course it is given the contract he's apparently seeking. I know not every player plays at their best every week but when Arnie's off his game it normally leads to a shocker of a performance. We drastically need a third winger in a different mould to provide cover for both Arnie and Shaq It only works both ways with people who want to see it both ways. There are more than a few on here that have taken this long to grudgingly praise his good form this season yet couldn't wait to log on previously at the mere hint of a bad game. Words like agenda and grudgingly are thrown around on this board too much. How do you know they give praise grudgingly? Surely they could ignore threads if they too much pride?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 29, 2016 9:07:04 GMT
"Refuse to acknowledge it when his form drops" ...you mean one bad game deserves the shit he gets on here ? But you defend to the hilt a certain player when he's out of form for weeks mate He doesn't get much shit on here, not compared with others. These threads tend to get huge because of the huge swarm of posters stepping up to defend him and question the mental state of the posters who don't think he's performing. Walters, Whelan ect get a lot more flak. Walters has even been dragged into this thread for example. Walters gets a relatively free ride compared to Marko. Complete tosh like show pony, bad attitude, sulker, doesn't put a shift in, fuck him off, 100K a week?, all come out from the usual suspects. Walters who has on more than one occasion spat his dummy out over not playing and a new contract gets little stick despite being generally poor all season. Marko has a relatively bad game, scores two goals and gets a shoeing. He's our player of the season, end of.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 29, 2016 9:10:11 GMT
He doesn't get much shit on here, not compared with others. These threads tend to get huge because of the huge swarm of posters stepping up to defend him and question the mental state of the posters who don't think he's performing. Walters, Whelan ect get a lot more flak. Walters has even been dragged into this thread for example. Walters gets a relatively free ride compared to Marko. Complete tosh like show pony, bad attitude, sulker, doesn't put a shift in, fuck him off, 100K a week?, all come out from the usual suspects. Walters who has on more than one occasion spat his dummy out over not playing and a new contract gets little stick despite being generally poor all season. Marko has a relatively bad game, scores two goals and gets a shoeing. He's our player of the season, end of. I don't see any bias in your post whatsoever...
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Post by werrington on Feb 29, 2016 9:10:36 GMT
He doesn't get much shit on here, not compared with others. These threads tend to get huge because of the huge swarm of posters stepping up to defend him and question the mental state of the posters who don't think he's performing. Walters, Whelan ect get a lot more flak. Walters has even been dragged into this thread for example. Walters gets a relatively free ride compared to Marko. Complete tosh like show pony, bad attitude, sulker, doesn't put a shift in, fuck him off, 100K a week?, all come out from the usual suspects. Walters who has on more than one occasion spat his dummy out over not playing and a new contract gets little stick despite being generally poor all season. Marko has a relatively bad game, scores two goals and gets a shoeing. He's our player of the season, end of. Imagine this mb if this was Arnie mate.....Walters has done nothing wrong but Arnie would get slaughtered for similar Jon Walters admits there is no guarantee he will see out his contract at stokecity #scfc spr.ly/6017Bj2jP
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 29, 2016 9:19:03 GMT
Walters gets a relatively free ride compared to Marko. Complete tosh like show pony, bad attitude, sulker, doesn't put a shift in, fuck him off, 100K a week?, all come out from the usual suspects. Walters who has on more than one occasion spat his dummy out over not playing and a new contract gets little stick despite being generally poor all season. Marko has a relatively bad game, scores two goals and gets a shoeing. He's our player of the season, end of. I don't see any bias in your post whatsoever... Walters has been poor all season, Marko has been our best player. You don't have to be biased to see that. Walters again dropping hints at leaving, despite a new contract.
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 29, 2016 9:23:45 GMT
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Post by werrington on Feb 29, 2016 9:29:24 GMT
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