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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 16:56:13 GMT
Arnie's arrogant, that's why I think some Stoke fans don't like him. Genuinely can't come up with another reason because he's my favourite player to watch and find it utterly mind boggling when I still meet Stoke fans who don't like him. Correct.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 17:01:36 GMT
Arnie's apparent arrogance is a good reason for other team's supporters to hate him. It's for us to revel in it.
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Post by kurt on Feb 28, 2016 17:04:18 GMT
NO SINGLE PERSON who knows Arni privately will confirm you that he is arrogant.....quite the opposite. Even Mark Hughes said in December, that everybody in the club loves him.
But i like his "arrogance" on the pitch
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Post by crownmeking on Feb 28, 2016 17:21:19 GMT
A poseur who is not quite as good as he thinks he is - not a team player, a maverick - but opposite to when Tuncay was not given a run-out by TP, Hughes is giving Arnie every opportunity to show us what he can do - it's up to him now, he can play really well (which he's capable of) and up his wages / value / potential to go to a bigger club or he can chuck the chance away and - sooner or later - find himself on the bench at Stoke (along with Joselu and even Bojan etc) then later on not even make the bench. (which the likes of Odemwingie and Adam have to endure ?) It's up to him now................. Not a team player? Hmmm, you forgetting his four goal assists this season? Or how much more tracking back he has been doing? Bellend.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 18:17:01 GMT
What's amusing is the thought that, the knobs who criticise the likes of Arnie, would probably have been talking the same about Alan Hudson
and before some of you fucking idiots start
Im not comparing, player to player with Alan Hudson !
but, both were different - sometimes looked disinterested - lazy even
crucially however, possessed amazing natural ability in abundance and a swagger and elan about the way they played
and from that sort of perspective, you can draw a parallel
as Ive said before, Some of you wont realise what we've got - right now with players like Arnie - Shaq - Bojan - Aflellay etc
until they've gone
and some of you in truth, with the awful, awful remarks you see on here from time to time and, hear at the matches - DONT DESERVE TO BE EVEN WATCHING THESE PLAYERS !
Perhaps the most recent parallel would be one Ricardo Fuller - often not my cup of tea in truth - but I admired him greatly for his ability
and precocious talent - frustrating often but again, possessing exceptional ability people would happily pay money to witness
and many on here call him a Legend
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Feb 28, 2016 18:24:31 GMT
I honestly can't believe we're having a serious discussion about Arnie's supposed 'attitude'.
His attitude, passion, moods and approach are what make him what he is as a player.
He's a very popular squad member, a selfless player and has 10 goals and 4 assists this season - mainly from a position on the wing. And he cost us less than two and a half million!
You go the extra mile for a player like that and I'm sure that's what Stoke will do.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 18:27:20 GMT
I honestly can't believe we're having a serious discussion about Arnie's supposed 'attitude'. His attitude, passion, moods and approach are what make him what is as a player. He's a very popular squad member, a selfless player and has 10 goals and 4 assists this season - mainly from a position on the wing. And he cost us less than two and a half million! You go the extra mile for a player like that and I'm sure that's what Stoke will do. Yet around where I sit he's probably the most hated player. I don't get it either, I think he's class and love his attitude and the work he puts in but he's very much (strangely for me) a Marmite player.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 18:29:28 GMT
I don't get this "not a team player" business.
The only time he gets annoyed at a mistake is when it's him that's made it. He's always the most enthusiastic one in joining goal celebrations when a team mate has scored. There was also that moment yesterday when he ran over to both players being substituted to give them a hug.
A lot of these criticisms of his attitude and mannerisms just don't hold any water on close inspection.
Nor does this shit about him being inconsistent. With the exception of a fully fit Shawcross, every one of them is inconsistent to a degree. Arnie's probably been one of our most consistent performers over the whole season.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 28, 2016 18:29:36 GMT
He's 4/5 times the player Sterling is.
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Post by misterj on Feb 28, 2016 18:32:01 GMT
4/5 ? You mean 80 % ? Yep, about right !!
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Post by werrington on Feb 28, 2016 18:44:54 GMT
I honestly can't believe we're having a serious discussion about Arnie's supposed 'attitude'. His attitude, passion, moods and approach are what make him what is as a player. He's a very popular squad member, a selfless player and has 10 goals and 4 assists this season - mainly from a position on the wing. And he cost us less than two and a half million! You go the extra mile for a player like that and I'm sure that's what Stoke will do. Yet around where I sit he's probably the most hated player. I don't get it either, I think he's class and love his attitude and the work he puts in but he's very much (strangely for me) a Marmite player. Like Wolscheid with Huth it's the player he's supposed to have replaced that pissed people off ....Jon Walters
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Post by adamsson on Feb 28, 2016 18:48:24 GMT
4/5 ? You mean 80 % ? Yep, about right !! That's harsh on this weekend's performances
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 18:50:19 GMT
Yet around where I sit he's probably the most hated player. I don't get it either, I think he's class and love his attitude and the work he puts in but he's very much (strangely for me) a Marmite player. Like Wolscheid with Huth it's the player he's supposed to have replaced that pissed people off ....Jon Walters I disagree, who thinks he's replaced Walters anyway? I know no one that thinks that and they think Walters is dog shit. So it's definitely not that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 18:50:36 GMT
The real problem here is too many people have painted themselves into a corner by saying he was lazy this, lazy that, body language this and body language that from the get go. There's no wiggle room from that stance is there?
If people were sensible from day one, allowed him time to settle in nicely, appreciated him for what he is then criticism of days like yesterday would have been more valid.
He's had worse days than yesterday and not been dropped or picked on and had better days than yesterday where he's been slated by some sections of our support.
The contract situation is an easy one to have a pop at him for lazy people. Nobody knows what the score is. Not one person on here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 18:55:03 GMT
The real problem here is too many people have painted themselves into a corner by saying he was lazy this, lazy that, body language this and body language that from the get go. There's no wiggle room from that stance is there? If people were sensible from day one, allowed him time to settle in nicely, appreciated him for what he is then criticism of days like yesterday would have been more valid. He's had worse days than yesterday and not been dropped or picked on and had better days than yesterday where he's been slated by some sections of our support. The contract situation is an easy one to have a pop at him for lazy people. Nobody knows what the score is. Not one person on here. Again I disagree. I think most people can get over that. They just don't like him, they don't like his attitude or how he plays. That's life, that's football. If that's what they don't like and they think he does it then that's that. It's why I don't buy the agenda shit or no wiggle room shit. It's simply not true. People like different things and he will get people who don't like his swagger and all of that.
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Post by werrington on Feb 28, 2016 18:59:07 GMT
We've got a player whose scored TEN goals already this season from out wide and people want him " fucked off " !!!
It's mind blowing
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 19:01:20 GMT
We've got a player whose scored TEN goals already this season from out wide and people want him " fucked off " !!! It's mind blowing It doesn't matter though if people don't like how he plays. I'm with you I don't get why you would but Walters has scored that many and I may be presuming but I bet you're not a fan......
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Post by werrington on Feb 28, 2016 19:07:24 GMT
We've got a player whose scored TEN goals already this season from out wide and people want him " fucked off " !!! It's mind blowing It doesn't matter though if people don't like how he plays. I'm with you I don't get why you would but Walters has scored that many and I may be presuming but I bet you're not a fan...... I've no problem at all with Walters playing centre forward ( although I'd prefer Diouf ) but not out wide He's scored 4 this season
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 19:14:45 GMT
It doesn't matter though if people don't like how he plays. I'm with you I don't get why you would but Walters has scored that many and I may be presuming but I bet you're not a fan...... I've no problem at all with Walters playing centre forward ( although I'd prefer Diouf ) but not out wide He's scored 4 this season He gets about 10 a season though and there's lots of us that wouldn't shed a tear if he "fucked off".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 19:19:26 GMT
Looks like he's camped in for the night lads. Best pour yourselves a cool one.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 19:24:07 GMT
Looks like he's camped in for the night lads. Best pour yourselves a cool one. Ah that's an ace contribution! This whole agenda and entrenched bollocks is just that. People don't like players for all sorts of reasons and that won't change. Look at Woy with Ryan. It's no agenda or any of that he just doesn't rate him and that's fair enough. You may think it's wrong but that's how the way world and football works. Why people don't get that I do not know.
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Post by milky on Feb 28, 2016 19:27:46 GMT
The people who don't like Arnie are probably the same ones who didn't like Fuller.I guess they don't like the unpredictability of that type of player.
They prefer good ,honest regular 6 out of 10 steady Eddie plodders.
Sad but possibly true.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 19:28:08 GMT
Theres also folk on this forum and in Stoke On Trent who'll never admit it but -
they dont like Crouch because of what he earns !
the only true reason - they cant handle it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 19:31:02 GMT
The people who don't like Arnie are probably the same ones who didn't like Fuller.I guess they don't like the unpredictability of that type of player. They prefer good ,honest regular 6 out of 10 steady Eddie plodders. Sad but possibly true. The ones by me didn't like Fuller but they don't like plodders either! They like Bojan. Who before his injury was a mixture of the two, graft and quality.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 28, 2016 19:31:15 GMT
I've no problem at all with Walters playing centre forward ( although I'd prefer Diouf ) but not out wide He's scored 4 this season He gets about 10 a season though and there's lots of us that wouldn't shed a tear if he "fucked off". to be fair, league goals wise he's only ever scored 9 (Arnie's current total in the league) or more twice in his entire career...neither times for us and the major difference is that walters is a forward whilst Arnie isn't. Personally i don't want either to be "fucked off" by the club but if people were to want SJW to go i could understand why as if you want to progress you need a forward who'll score more than 7 or 8 league goals a year. to want Arnie to go when he's scoring more than our forwards whilst playing as a winger and contributing to other goals we've scored this season is ridiculous. given the fact that Walters isn't scoring and Jos and Diouf are barely playing, we'd be screwed. People are moaning about us not scoring enough goals this season as it is then they say we should bin off out top scorer???? fucking bizarre! ludicrous comparison really that doesn't really bear any kind of scrutiny whatsoever.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 19:33:00 GMT
He gets about 10 a season though and there's lots of us that wouldn't shed a tear if he "fucked off". to be fair, league goals wise he's only ever scored 9 (Arnie's current total in the league) or more twice in his entire career...neither times for us and the major difference is that walters is a forward whilst Arnie isn't. Personally i don't want either to be "fucked off" by the club but if people were to want SJW to go i could understand why as if you want to progress you need a forward who'll score more than 7 or 8 league goals a year. to want Arnie to go when he's scoring more than our forwards whilst playing as a winger and contributing to other goals we've scored this season is ludicrous. ludicrous comparison really that doesn't really bear any kind of scrutiny whatsoever. Walters is our top Premier League goalscorer and scores a good number in the league consistently for us. He's also played a lot on the wing especially in the last 2/3 years. It's a very fair comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 19:34:21 GMT
Looks like he's camped in for the night lads. Best pour yourselves a cool one. Ah that's an ace contribution! This whole agenda and entrenched bollocks is just that. People don't like players for all sorts of reasons and that won't change. Look at Woy with Ryan. It's no agenda or any of that he just doesn't rate him and that's fair enough. You may think it's wrong but that's how the way world and football works. Why people don't get that I do not know. Yep, tent is set up and the camp fire is going. When do we start the camp songs around the baked beans on the fire?
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 28, 2016 19:35:11 GMT
Fucking priceless thread
Arnie can piss me off all season if he carries on scoring goals. Fuck knows where we would be without his contibutions
Cant understand why people are on his back when you've got Bojan offering NOTHING of late
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Post by milky on Feb 28, 2016 19:35:34 GMT
The people who don't like Arnie are probably the same ones who didn't like Fuller.I guess they don't like the unpredictability of that type of player. They prefer good ,honest regular 6 out of 10 steady Eddie plodders. Sad but possibly true. The ones by me didn't like Fuller but they don't like plodders either! They like Bojan. Who before his injury was a mixture of the two, graft and quality. Arnie has quality but also puts a shift in for the team ..but some only see what their eyes want them to see.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2016 19:36:22 GMT
Ah that's an ace contribution! This whole agenda and entrenched bollocks is just that. People don't like players for all sorts of reasons and that won't change. Look at Woy with Ryan. It's no agenda or any of that he just doesn't rate him and that's fair enough. You may think it's wrong but that's how the way world and football works. Why people don't get that I do not know. Yep, tent is set up and the camp fire is going. When do we start the camp songs around the baked beans on the fire? So that's nothing then, marvellous.
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