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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 4, 2016 15:35:20 GMT
He's been fine but like ten others was wretched the other night. I think Imbula's arrival might be a problem for him though he's jack of a lot of trades and his best chance of regular starts will be to dislodge Bojan from the side. In which case he'll get to do more shooting which will be nice.  |
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Post by thehoof on Feb 4, 2016 15:46:08 GMT
Tell me one of our players who was better? Ireland was better when he came on for a start. Even Crouch, Walters and Arnie had more impact on the actual game. Sorry ,can't agree.SJW gave no help to Glen Johnson at all in the first half and did nowt with the ball.Arnie was the Arnie of 18 months ago, some good stuff but often not involved, and Crouchie? Well no support, but hardly threatened did he? Ireland was okay, but that means we will have to wait and see if he can maintain more than a momentary influence on a game. I don't think that Bojan has played consistently since Everton, but everyone seems to think that Affelay has been excellent and I think what has he actually created in any game? Against Man U.he was better (Bojan) than 3 of the 4 you named, in my opinion. |
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Post by foster on Feb 4, 2016 15:48:54 GMT
Ireland was better when he came on for a start. Even Crouch, Walters and Arnie had more impact on the actual game. Sorry ,can't agree.SJW gave no help to Glen Johnson at all in the first half and did nowt with the ball.Arnie was the Arnie of 18 months ago, some good stuff but often not involved, and Crouchie? Well no support, but hardly threatened did he? Ireland was okay, but that means we will have to wait and see if he can maintain more than a momentary influence on a game. I don't think that Bojan has played consistently since Everton, but everyone seems to think that Affelay has been excellent and I think what has he actually created in any game? Against Man U.he was better (Bojan) than 3 of the 4 you named, in my opinion. I only need 1 player to have outperformed Bojan to be right. Thanks. To be fair, no one played well. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 15:51:29 GMT
Some people on here are as mad as a bag of spanners. The state of football fans in general is shocking. The attitude and ignorance of some is just appalling. It's like they type stuff off the top of their heads, just had a brain fart, or are just seeking attention. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 4, 2016 16:01:30 GMT
Some people on here are as mad as a bag of spanners. The state of football fans in general is shocking. The attitude and ignorance of some is just appalling. It's like they type stuff off the top of their heads, just had a brain fart, or are just seeking attention. We've got a whole bunch of fans who ten years ago were in the 8-15 age range & really starting to get into football. They're now all 18-25 years old & in that 'know it all' period... They've also spent the last ten years watching Stoke City do nothing but progress & simply can't handle defeat. ... Why can't the players just perform every match like they do when I play FIFA?!?! |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 4, 2016 16:02:07 GMT
Affellay is a good player but my problem with him is he to slow in possession and this slows everything down going forward.The amount of times he turns back rather than driving forward is something that concerns me also.For me I think Imbula will partner Whelan with Affellay further up the pitch but where who knows
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Feb 4, 2016 16:31:58 GMT
Genuinely shocked to see such criticism of Affelay!... He's probably my player in the season and I would be more inclined to play him in the hole than Bojan based on performances. Two footed, always finds a pass and is always available to take the ball. Plus one - criticism totally unjustified Bear in mind this player lately has hardly had a rest whilst others have been rotated (not spit roasted btw!) |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 4, 2016 16:52:15 GMT
He's been fine but like ten others was wretched the other night. I think Imbula's arrival might be a problem for him though he's jack of a lot of trades and his best chance of regular starts will be to dislodge Bojan from the side. In which case he'll get to do more shooting which will be nice. I don't want to see him dislodge Bojan from the side purely for the fact that he offers far less of a goal threat. |
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Post by datguy on Feb 4, 2016 16:56:51 GMT
It's Afellay
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Post by metalhead on Feb 4, 2016 17:58:25 GMT
Genuinely shocked to see such criticism of Affelay!... He's probably my player in the season and I would be more inclined to play him in the hole than Bojan based on performances. Two footed, always finds a pass and is always available to take the ball. Plus one - criticism totally unjustified Bear in mind this player lately has hardly had a rest whilst others have been rotated (not spit roasted btw!) It's fucking bizarre. He's been one of the few stand out performers lately and he was nowhere near the worst on Tuesday. In fact, despite not being great, he was still one of the best of a really bad bunch.... which is a bit like saying Mike Batt's best song is Remember You're a Womble. Yes, his performance was riddled with faults (in particular not tracking back and not pressing their midfield), but the defensive nightmare that happened behind him was not really his fault and the completely static attack meant he only had limited options. He was still one of the few to actually play a few half decent passes. I saw a lot of stray passes on Tuesday, and none of them came from Afellay. Dear me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 18:22:50 GMT
I raised the question a few weeks ago. The lad is a beautiful footballer but as looked far too weak over the past few games. He may well improve having someone like imbula alongside him as this lad seems to have the legs and muscle to compliment him. I think Whelan as well as he's played is a far deeper player to play alongside afellay
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Post by buddha74 on Feb 4, 2016 18:28:49 GMT
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 4, 2016 18:32:10 GMT
I would love to know how many of those passes are forward ones though.I'd guess at less than 50% |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 4, 2016 18:49:56 GMT
I would love to know how many of those passes are forward ones though.I'd guess at less than 50% That's going to be true of most deeper midfielders though Mutts. It can't always go forward and too often there isn't a forward pass on. |
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Post by primmerz on Feb 4, 2016 18:54:35 GMT
He's been one of our best players, he's really stepped up from his first few appearances at the club. He's not a natural central midfielder but his workrate and passing have been pretty good with all things considered. I'm not sure why he's getting so much criticism, he's nowhere near our worst player and he's been pretty solid in my opinion.
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Post by primmerz on Feb 4, 2016 18:55:12 GMT
I would love to know how many of those passes are forward ones though.I'd guess at less than 50% 53% Forward. |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 4, 2016 18:58:49 GMT
I would love to know how many of those passes are forward ones though.I'd guess at less than 50% That's going to be true of most deeper midfielders though Mutts. It can't always go forward and too often there isn't a forward pass on. Yes maybe so rob but for me he needs to look forward more rather than the easier option of square and back |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 4, 2016 18:59:18 GMT
I would love to know how many of those passes are forward ones though.I'd guess at less than 50% 53% Forward. Is that fact? |
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Post by primmerz on Feb 4, 2016 19:00:51 GMT
According to the good old stats: link |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 4, 2016 19:03:00 GMT
According to the good old stats: linkInteresting stats mate thanks |
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 4, 2016 19:39:21 GMT
If you followed him around on Tuesday at Old Trafford he was a disgrace. Never tackled back, no energy going forward or tracking back. Whether he was in a trance as we signed a defensive midfielder but his was as poor a performance I've seen all season and that was when most of the other players never turned up....again. Since December - January was going to define our season - we have slumped. Good job we got some points in the bag You can't beat a good wind up merchant.......unfortunately |
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Post by thehoof on Feb 4, 2016 19:44:10 GMT
That's going to be true of most deeper midfielders though Mutts. It can't always go forward and too often there isn't a forward pass on. Yes maybe so rob but for me he needs to look forward more rather than the easier option of square and back Agree with Mutts. If Affelay is passing forward 53% of the time (which I assume is probably more than Glen), then we have 2 midfielders who effectively create nothing, and more importantly take a long time in doing it. Rather than there being no one to pass too, the truth of it is that it takes so long for the ball to move forward, our front 4 are covered by the oppositions defense and their holding midfielders. There is a need for one to hold, but not two? Drinkwater & Kante get the ball forward quickly, and one of the two also gets up to support. Our guys are more sedate, and never threaten a goal. |
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Post by stokiemarc on Feb 4, 2016 20:20:25 GMT
Interesting how divided opinion is on here. For me, he looked at his best I'm that number 10 role behind Bojan and that's where I'd like him to play on Saturday now that we have Imbula. Where ever he plays he gives 100% and has a good engine. His passing is neat and tidy and he barely loses possession and he has been a quality addition and is a huge upgrade on Adam in midfield.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 7, 2016 1:05:29 GMT
I'm still unsure.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Feb 7, 2016 1:21:20 GMT
Needs to have Whelans role, did poorly as a number 10 today but great player still.
Only people at the club who play the number 10 role well are Bojan and Ireland.
Afellay will make do but only if those two aren't playing
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 7, 2016 1:23:13 GMT
Needs to have Whelans role, did poorly as a number 10 today but great player still. Only people at the club who play the number 10 role well are Bojan and Ireland. Afellay will make do but only if those two aren't playing He doesn't offer anything defensively though to do that. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 7, 2016 2:50:36 GMT
Needs to have Whelans role, did poorly as a number 10 today but great player still. Only people at the club who play the number 10 role well are Bojan and Ireland. Afellay will make do but only if those two aren't playing He's not a DM, unfortunately I'm starting to see his role off the bench when all fit, someone to keep it tidy when we're winning a game. |
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Post by chrisparker on Feb 7, 2016 2:53:11 GMT
So I suppose I was right based on today's display.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 7, 2016 6:58:20 GMT
Needs to have Whelans role, did poorly as a number 10 today but great player still. Only people at the club who play the number 10 role well are Bojan and Ireland. Afellay will make do but only if those two aren't playing He's not a DM, unfortunately I'm starting to see his role off the bench when all fit, someone to keep it tidy when we're winning a game. Completely in agreement |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 7, 2016 10:20:52 GMT
So I suppose I was right based on today's display. But massively wrong based on most of the others. |
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