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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 4, 2016 1:13:16 GMT
He hasn't really lost any pace, even playing alongside Whelan he would take people on and drive forward, I'd still give him a chance in his home position. He used to be quick. Now he's slow. He's lost pace! I disagree, it's like playing Walcott in the same position. People will say he's lost pace, because that position doesn't require him to be doing what he does best. (taking people on, using pace effectively.)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2016 1:14:28 GMT
He used to be quick. Now he's slow. He's lost pace! I disagree, it's like playing Walcott in the same position. People will say he's lost pace, because that position doesn't require him to be doing what he does best. (taking people on, using pace effectively.) Eh? When he was playing on the wing it was clear he was chronically slow.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Feb 4, 2016 1:16:34 GMT
Mate those PSV days are long gone, I like Afellay but he isn't that player now. He hasn't really lost any pace, even playing alongside Whelan he would take people on and drive forward, I'd still give him a chance in his home position. You must be kidding, mate, he used to be rapid, he isn't that anymore. Mind you people say Shaqiri is rapid but I'm yet to see that. If he had to play on the wing hed just be doing a job for me.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 4, 2016 1:18:17 GMT
I disagree, it's like playing Walcott in the same position. People will say he's lost pace, because that position doesn't require him to be doing what he does best. (taking people on, using pace effectively.) Eh? When he was playing on the wing it was clear he was chronically slow. Well I'm judging him over a long period of games, still had a lot of pace at Olympiacos. I don't see a player suddenly become insanely slow over that time frame, only down to not many games played in that position to be judged fairly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2016 1:18:29 GMT
He hasn't really lost any pace, even playing alongside Whelan he would take people on and drive forward, I'd still give him a chance in his home position. You must be kidding, mate, he used to be rapid, he isn't that anymore. Mind you people say Shaqiri is rapid but I'm yet to see that. If he had to play on the wing hed just be doing a job for me. Neither of our wingers are rapid.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 4, 2016 1:19:09 GMT
He hasn't really lost any pace, even playing alongside Whelan he would take people on and drive forward, I'd still give him a chance in his home position. You must be kidding, mate, he used to be rapid, he isn't that anymore. Mind you people say Shaqiri is rapid but I'm yet to see that. If he had to play on the wing hed just be doing a job for me. Shaqiri isn't slow, but he's not rapid. Afellay would still do him in a 100m.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2016 1:19:16 GMT
Eh? When he was playing on the wing it was clear he was chronically slow. Well I'm judging him over a long period of games, still had a lot of pace at Olympiacos. I don't see a player suddenly become insanely slow over that time frame, only down to not many games played in that position to be judged fairly. He's been slow from day 1 to now with us.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 4, 2016 1:21:08 GMT
Well I'm judging him over a long period of games, still had a lot of pace at Olympiacos. I don't see a player suddenly become insanely slow over that time frame, only down to not many games played in that position to be judged fairly. He's been slow from day 1 to now with us. Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion even though I disagree.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Feb 4, 2016 1:22:59 GMT
You must be kidding, mate, he used to be rapid, he isn't that anymore. Mind you people say Shaqiri is rapid but I'm yet to see that. If he had to play on the wing hed just be doing a job for me. Neither of our wingers are rapid. Yeah agree with that, but I'm sure I heard folk saying XS was lightning quick, we haven't witnessed that at all, the only real pace in the side is Diouf.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2016 1:27:05 GMT
Neither of our wingers are rapid. Yeah agree with that, but I'm sure I heard folk saying XS was lightning quick, we haven't witnessed that at all, the only real pace in the side is Diouf. Oh they have, I wasn't disagreeing with that! And he is, well he isn't....
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 4, 2016 6:52:33 GMT
Problem with affelay is that he is naturally a winger but doesn't have the pace to play as a winger anymore
No doubt he has bags of talent but you can't play him on the wing as he lacks pace, his shooting is abysmal and defensively not dependable.
If we do get the necessary reinforcements in summer I see him as a luxury sub who can be called to fill in sny role from midfield upwards if and when the need arises but not a natural selection for the starting XI
His current role is destined for imbula
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2016 8:08:02 GMT
Affelay looks quicker than Shaqiri to me.
Granted he wasn't fantastic when deployed wide earlier in the season, but he's a different player now. Fitter, quicker, stronger and generally more confident. I thought he was excellent on the right wing v West Ham (for the first 45 minutes at least) and I forget the games, but he came on twice wide on the right and did very well.
He had his worst game since coming back into the team on Tuesday night but he's a superb player who can do a job anywhere in midfield. If we used him wide, he would do a good job. I would certainly play him wide on the right ahead of Walters.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:13:28 GMT
He's playing within himself.He has more ability than he's showing.He keeps it neat and tidy without being incisive.I'm convinced if he took the ball by the horns more often (see what I did there) he'd be more effective. I wouldn't write him off yet
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Post by vahl on Feb 4, 2016 8:14:33 GMT
Affelay looks quicker than Shaqiri to me. Granted he wasn't fantastic when deployed wide earlier in the season, but he's a different player now. Fitter, quicker, stronger and generally more confident. I thought he was excellent on the right wing v West Ham (for the first 45 minutes at least) and I forget the games, but he came on twice wide on the right and did very well. He had his worst game since coming back into the team on Tuesday night but he's a superb player who can do a job anywhere in midfield. If we used him wide, he would do a good job. I would certainly play him wide on the right ahead of Walters. I would play him wide instead of Walters too. The long diagonal ball, so Jon can play off the full-back, is really starting to get on my tits. It's predictable and not very useful to us IMO. Not sure why people think otherwise. That said, playing off him and Crouch against The Shit was our only real success. I think that was also part of the problem though, too - aside from a collective poor performance of course. Affelay is a quality player though.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 4, 2016 8:35:41 GMT
Affelay looks quicker than Shaqiri to me. Granted he wasn't fantastic when deployed wide earlier in the season, but he's a different player now. Fitter, quicker, stronger and generally more confident. I thought he was excellent on the right wing v West Ham (for the first 45 minutes at least) and I forget the games, but he came on twice wide on the right and did very well. He had his worst game since coming back into the team on Tuesday night but he's a superb player who can do a job anywhere in midfield. If we used him wide, he would do a good job. I would certainly play him wide on the right ahead of Walters. I agree, he's also shown that he can beat a man and drive away from them consistently which is an ideal quality for a winger. I'd much rather see him out wide than SJW. Hopefully Shaqiri is fit enough to start playing week in week out though so we've got him and Arnie on the wings.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 4, 2016 8:43:38 GMT
The original post sounded more like a criticism of the job of a defensive midfielder than a criticism of Affelay - in fact the criticism appears to be why isn't our defensive midfielder doing more upfront. We have problems up front but to blame a defensive midfielder for this is really missing the point.
He gets his foot in, hardly ever loses the ball and keeps us in possession (i.e he's done everything the manager has asked him to do in the positon he's been given). His shooting hasn't been great but he's actually got in more shots in the last few games than N'Zonzi and Whelan have ever done in an entire season. So he's been a defensive midfielder who has given us another attacking option.
Personally I think Whelan (who started the season really well but has tailed off of late) is more under threat than from Imbula (who from all accounts isn't match fit as yet anyway) than Affelay and if Imbula comes in for Affelay on current from Bojan and Shaqiri are more likely to miss out than Affelay.
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Post by redstriper on Feb 4, 2016 9:02:16 GMT
It's amazing that people can watch the same games and come up with completely different opinions.
For me affelay has been the stand out player in 2016, the least likely to waste possession, the tidiest on the ball, difficult to shake off it and with his quick feet and good balance finds space where others get tackled.
He's adapted to a new role far better than might have been expected and should be one of the first on the teamsheet imo.
It'd be nice to see him contribute a goal or two but ffs, you could say that about pretty much every player we have.
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Post by pez75 on Feb 4, 2016 9:05:02 GMT
Some of you cunts need to go give your heads a wobble, and think back to the heady days of Diao & Whitehead (and beyond!). Sometimes I despair, I really fucking do...
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 4, 2016 9:06:47 GMT
One poor game and they can't wait to out from thier corners they've been forced into for six months.
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Post by foster on Feb 4, 2016 9:12:00 GMT
You must be kidding, mate, he used to be rapid, he isn't that anymore. Mind you people say Shaqiri is rapid but I'm yet to see that. If he had to play on the wing hed just be doing a job for me. Neither of our wingers are rapid. Not over a long distance. What I think a winger needs more is acceleration and the ability to burn past players from a standing position.
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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 4, 2016 9:13:11 GMT
Afellay has been the only player in the middle who can actually move with the ball at his feet that is able to receive a ball without needing 4 touches to bring it under control and the only one who gives me any confidence in tight situations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 9:15:48 GMT
I don't get where you're coming from Chris. He had a poor game last night but for the most part, since he moved to midfield, he's been excellent. He gets on the ball, pivots in a flash and is off past two or three players, turning defence into attack, easing the pressure, getting us moving. He barely wastes a pass - yeah, a lot of times they're simple balls - guess what, that's a lot of what being a midfield player is. It can't always go forward, especially when your forward players are standing their scratching their arse a lot of the time with three men round them. He has played some fantastic through balls into the channels as well. He's a class act now he's found his feet. This Applepie isn't the problem, he's part of the solution
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Post by ohbottom on Feb 4, 2016 9:27:53 GMT
I've always suspected that a lot of people only watch footie in brief snap-shots, or with their eyes closed for most of the time, or something. And this thread has confirmed it.
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 4, 2016 9:30:25 GMT
I've always suspected that a lot of people only watch footie in brief snap-shots, or with their eyes closed for most of the time, or something. And this thread has confirmed it. Or match of the day?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 4, 2016 9:33:27 GMT
I like him. A positive player and it's refreshing to see given the negativity of our midfield over the past decade.
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Post by ohbottom on Feb 4, 2016 9:34:16 GMT
I've always suspected that a lot of people only watch footie in brief snap-shots, or with their eyes closed for most of the time, or something. And this thread has confirmed it. Or match of the day? Maybe that's it. They don't actually watch the match at all while they're there, too busy slagging off the ref or gossiping or moaning about their current bĂȘte noire or something. Or too pissed up.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 4, 2016 9:46:37 GMT
Strange that he's been probably our best player of late in my opinion.
Ah well, we all can't agree on everything!
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Post by Northy on Feb 4, 2016 9:58:36 GMT
One poor game and they can't wait to out from thier corners they've been forced into for six months. We haven't filled the corners in yet
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 4, 2016 10:00:29 GMT
Chris, please tell me you're on a wind up here. For me he's been outstanding over the last 10 games. You must watch a very different game to me mate.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 4, 2016 10:08:53 GMT
TL;DR
really? I mean really? Since cementing his place in the side, he's been consistently good, even when others haven't. One bad performance (and let's be honest, his wasn't the worst) and it's "what does Afellay offer?".
Nothing surprises me anymore though.
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