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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 13:46:33 GMT
With a more secure defence, in the absence of Ryan, would we have dropped so many points if Huth had played? Ryan shows what a leader and commanding CH does for the entire team! It spreads confidence whereas a weak defence creates uncertainty through the entire team. Our defence has been far better than our attack this season.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 4, 2016 13:48:46 GMT
With a more secure defence, in the absence of Ryan, would we have dropped so many points if Huth had played? Ryan shows what a leader and commanding CH does for the entire team! It spreads confidence whereas a weak defence creates uncertainty through the entire team. Our defence has been far better than our attack this season. I agree but the return of Ryan was a major part of that whereas Ryan's recent absence is a major factor in us struggling?
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 4, 2016 13:52:17 GMT
With a more secure defence, in the absence of Ryan, would we have dropped so many points if Huth had played? Ryan shows what a leader and commanding CH does for the entire team! It spreads confidence whereas a weak defence creates uncertainty through the entire team. Our major problem this season has been scoring goals. Scoring goals in games in which we have the majority of Possession. That doesn't scream a non secure defence.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 4, 2016 14:12:59 GMT
With a more secure defence, in the absence of Ryan, would we have dropped so many points if Huth had played? Ryan shows what a leader and commanding CH does for the entire team! It spreads confidence whereas a weak defence creates uncertainty through the entire team. Our major problem this season has been scoring goals. Scoring goals in games in which we have the majority of Possession. That doesn't scream a non secure defence. Yes, and where do we have most of this wonderful possession? Across the halfway line! You don't score many goals there but if you lose the ball there you are wide open to the counter attack!
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 4, 2016 14:32:29 GMT
Our major problem this season has been scoring goals. Scoring goals in games in which we have the majority of Possession. That doesn't scream a non secure defence. Yes, and where do we have most of this wonderful possession? Across the halfway line! You don't score many goals there but if you lose the ball there you are wide open to the counter attack! You don't have the ball to lose if you have a CB that isn't comfortable with possession football in a team who's manager sets them up to play from the back. We've got problems in the team to sort out, but Huth would never be a solution under Mark Hughes tactics and would hinder our play more than the benefits of his better defensive attributes he'd bring. The cold facts are we haven't scored anywhere near enough goals. If it wasn't for how good our defence has been (Or how extremely lucky in some peoples eyes) we'd be in amongst the relegation spots.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 4, 2016 14:51:20 GMT
Yes, and where do we have most of this wonderful possession? Across the halfway line! You don't score many goals there but if you lose the ball there you are wide open to the counter attack! You don't have the ball to lose if you have a CB that isn't comfortable with possession football in a team who's manager sets them up to play from the back. We've got problems in the team to sort out, but Huth would never be a solution under Mark Hughes tactics and would hinder our play more than the benefits of his better defensive attributes he'd bring. The cold facts are we haven't scored anywhere near enough goals. If it wasn't for how good our defence has been (Or how extremely lucky in some peoples eyes) we'd be in amongst the relegation spots. Playing the ball to Whelan which goes to Afellay which goes to Whelan which comes back to the centre half which goes to Whelan...wait somebody's coming so ball goes to Butland! Are you trying to tell me Huth, who played for a league winning team Chelsea, isn't capable of fitting into that pattern of play?
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 4, 2016 15:10:41 GMT
Leicester city have conceded a massive 2 goals fewer than the sieve that is Stoke city.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 4, 2016 15:12:09 GMT
You don't have the ball to lose if you have a CB that isn't comfortable with possession football in a team who's manager sets them up to play from the back. We've got problems in the team to sort out, but Huth would never be a solution under Mark Hughes tactics and would hinder our play more than the benefits of his better defensive attributes he'd bring. The cold facts are we haven't scored anywhere near enough goals. If it wasn't for how good our defence has been (Or how extremely lucky in some peoples eyes) we'd be in amongst the relegation spots. Playing the ball to Whelan which goes to Afellay which goes to Whelan which comes back to the centre half which goes to Whelan...wait somebody's coming so ball goes to Butland! Are you trying to tell me Huth, who played for a league winning team Chelsea, isn't capable of fitting into that pattern of play? Not as well as Wollscheid does, or even Muniesa In my opinion. But that's not my point, the point is goalscoring is our problem, Huth has been gone from the starting 11 for over 2 seasons now, and we've improved points and positions ever since. The difference between us and Leicester isn't Robert Huth. It's Vardy & Mahrez (31 Goals between them)
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 4, 2016 16:23:13 GMT
Playing the ball to Whelan which goes to Afellay which goes to Whelan which comes back to the centre half which goes to Whelan...wait somebody's coming so ball goes to Butland! Are you trying to tell me Huth, who played for a league winning team Chelsea, isn't capable of fitting into that pattern of play? Not as well as Wollscheid does, or even Muniesa In my opinion. But that's not my point, the point is goalscoring is our problem, Huth has been gone from the starting 11 for over 2 seasons now, and we've improved points and positions ever since. The difference between us and Leicester isn't Robert Huth. It's Vardy & Mahrez (31 Goals between them) I agree that not scoring enough goals is our biggest problem but who is waiting on events to see who will be our CB partnership on Satdee? A good defence guarantees points even though many will be single points? But with a leaky defence you would need Messi to get 4 against Man Utd., 3 against Leicester City, 2 against Crystal Palace, 2 against West Brom........
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Post by pez75 on Feb 4, 2016 16:35:05 GMT
Not as well as Wollscheid does, or even Muniesa In my opinion. But that's not my point, the point is goalscoring is our problem, Huth has been gone from the starting 11 for over 2 seasons now, and we've improved points and positions ever since. The difference between us and Leicester isn't Robert Huth. It's Vardy & Mahrez (31 Goals between them) I agree that not scoring enough goals is our biggest problem but who is waiting on events to see who will be our CB partnership on Satdee? A good defence guarantees points even though many will be single points? But with a leaky defence you would need Messi to get 4 against Man Utd., 3 against Leicester City, 2 against Crystal Palace, 2 against West Brom........ Is that you Tony?
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 4, 2016 16:38:48 GMT
So you think Huth would have stuck around waiting for an injury crisis to get a game ?
Wilson, Cameron & Muniesa are happy to be part of a squad as back up. Huth isn't and neither would I be in his shoes.
My problem is Tex, If he couldn't get on the bench on Tuesday it's time pay him off and promote someone from the academy.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 4, 2016 16:41:15 GMT
I agree that not scoring enough goals is our biggest problem but who is waiting on events to see who will be our CB partnership on Satdee? A good defence guarantees points even though many will be single points? But with a leaky defence you would need Messi to get 4 against Man Utd., 3 against Leicester City, 2 against Crystal Palace, 2 against West Brom........ Is that you Tony? No, it's Uncle Peter just testing the water to see if the Oatcakers would like me to get the cheque book out for Messi now he didn't turn up at 5.00p.m. at Arsene's door on deadline day?
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Post by Davef on Feb 4, 2016 16:47:58 GMT
So you think Huth would have stuck around waiting for an injury crisis to get a game ? Wilson, Cameron & Muniesa are happy to be part of a squad as back up. Huth isn't and neither would I be in his shoes. My problem is Tex, If he couldn't get on the bench on Tuesday it's time pay him off and promote someone from the academy. The Huth argument is just getting ridiculous now. It's twelve months since he left the club for crying out loud. The facts are that Huthy played less than ten minutes of Premier League football last season for Stoke and when he left the team stood on 32 points. The club he signed for were on 17 points. What's happened since has been absolutely incredible but you can't use that as a stick to beat Hughes with. There are barely any of us on here who didn't think we were loaning out a player recovering from a serious injury to a club who were doomed to Championship football last May. Besides which, as the brit says, Huthy didn't want to hang around at Stoke not getting games. Leicester and Pearson were desperate and they could guarantee him first team football. The fact that he did leave just as we succumbed to an injury crisis is pure coincidence. Should we have done more in the January window to shore up our central defence? Of course we should, but can this tedious subject be put to bed please?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 4, 2016 17:19:33 GMT
So you think Huth would have stuck around waiting for an injury crisis to get a game ? Wilson, Cameron & Muniesa are happy to be part of a squad as back up. Huth isn't and neither would I be in his shoes. My problem is Tex, If he couldn't get on the bench on Tuesday it's time pay him off and promote someone from the academy. The Huth argument is just getting ridiculous now. It's twelve months since he left the club for crying out loud. The facts are that Huthy played less than ten minutes of Premier League football last season for Stoke and when he left the team stood on 32 points. The club he signed for were on 17 points. What's happened since has been absolutely incredible but you can't use that as a stick to beat Hughes with. There are barely any of us on here who didn't think we were loaning out a player recovering from a serious injury to a club who were doomed to Championship football last May. Besides which, as the brit says, Huthy didn't want to hang around at Stoke not getting games. Leicester and Pearson were desperate and they could guarantee him first team football. The fact that he did leave just as we succumbed to an injury crisis is pure coincidence. Should we have done more in the January window to shore up our central defence? Of course we should, but can this tedious subject be put to bed please? I think you're missing the point. We aren't saying Huth should be here but that another commanding CH should be! We've got too many FBs and not enough genuine CHs. This has been true for a couple of years! If we end up missing Ryan and Wolly nobody has a clue who will play with Muni assuming somebody who has had 2 ACLs and has got dodgy hamstrings is fit to play? Why has it got to this stage before SCFC, apparently as Denis Smith hinted on Radio Stoke, tried to bring a CH in during the transfer window! You can't blame supporters for trying to discuss it!
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Feb 4, 2016 17:33:22 GMT
The Huth argument is just getting ridiculous now. It's twelve months since he left the club for crying out loud. The facts are that Huthy played less than ten minutes of Premier League football last season for Stoke and when he left the team stood on 32 points. The club he signed for were on 17 points. What's happened since has been absolutely incredible but you can't use that as a stick to beat Hughes with. There are barely any of us on here who didn't think we were loaning out a player recovering from a serious injury to a club who were doomed to Championship football last May. Besides which, as the brit says, Huthy didn't want to hang around at Stoke not getting games. Leicester and Pearson were desperate and they could guarantee him first team football. The fact that he did leave just as we succumbed to an injury crisis is pure coincidence. Should we have done more in the January window to shore up our central defence? Of course we should, but can this tedious subject be put to bed please? I think you're missing the point. We aren't saying Huth should be here but that another commanding CH should be! We've got too many FBs and not enough genuine CHs. This has been true for a couple of years! If we end up missing Ryan and Wolly nobody has a clue who will play with Muni assuming somebody who has had 2 ACLs and has got dodgy hamstrings is fit to play? Why has it got to this stage before SCFC, apparently as Denis Smith hinted on Radio Stoke, tried to bring a CH in during the transfer window! You can't blame supporters for trying to discuss it! 5 players can play CH for us, 4 of which are full internationals, and Muniesa came from Barcelona. That's a pretty good situation in terms of cover. It's bad luck that 4 of those players were injured at once, but I doubt we were ever looking to get another decent centre half during a January window, who will come into the side play one match after Less than a week of training, and Perform well enough to make the match day squad for the rest of the season when three of the four potential central defenders return in the next 10 days.
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