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Post by meirparkpotter on Feb 3, 2016 4:07:20 GMT
We replaced Huth with Wollscheid. It isn't Hughes' fault that four of our top five centre backs are injured at the same time surely? Wouldn't it be nice if we bought a proper centre back to play alongside Ryan, though? At the minute we've got a collection of centre backs who looks good when they play alongside Shawcross, but forget how to defend the minute he's not there to tell them what to do. We're not skimping or making do in any other areas of the pitch, and we certainly shouldn't be doing that at the heart of our defence. I fail to really see why having a second good quality defender with organisational skills to play alongside Shawcross and hold things around when Ryan's injured is seen as anathema. So Wolly isn't a proper CB?...
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Post by hanibal7 on Feb 3, 2016 5:08:24 GMT
We replaced Huth with Wollscheid. It isn't Hughes' fault that four of our top five centre backs are injured at the same time surely? Wouldn't it be nice if we bought a proper centre back to play alongside Ryan, though? At the minute we've got a collection of centre backs who looks good when they play alongside Shawcross, but forget how to defend the minute he's not there to tell them what to do. We're not skimping or making do in any other areas of the pitch, and we certainly shouldn't be doing that at the heart of our defence. I fail to really see why having a second good quality defender with organisational skills to play alongside Shawcross and hold things around when Ryan's injured is seen as anathema. And here is me thinking he was brill at Liverpool??? was everybody wrong then???
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 3, 2016 6:00:57 GMT
Id put my mother in law in before Tex She's suffered enough.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 7:12:26 GMT
Wollscheid pulled his calf in the warm up according to Hughes and is now a doubt for Saturday.
On one hand, it is a massive kick in the 'unlucky' nuts but on the other I can't help feeling not bringing in a centre half for cover is/was bordering on negligence.
No problem if we are scoring for fun as we can try and outscore the opposition, but at the moment we are struggling to get shots on target full stop.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 3, 2016 7:26:20 GMT
Hughes looks a bit foolish now with his decision not to try to loan a centre back in this past window, especially after Wilson's injury. Hindsight 'n' all that, but our defence will be giving a whole new meaning to "makeshift" come Saturday. We do not know if he " did not try to bring in a CB "
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 7:28:57 GMT
Hughes looks a bit foolish now with his decision not to try to loan a centre back in this past window, especially after Wilson's injury. Hindsight 'n' all that, but our defence will be giving a whole new meaning to "makeshift" come Saturday. We do not know if he " did not try to bring in a CB " He said in his Press Conference on Monday that he'd changed his mind and that he thought we'd be okay with what we've got.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 3, 2016 7:34:26 GMT
I think he would have got a loanee if he'd have had time, not prepared to make a rash decision and fill a space in the 25. He has to trust Texiera if he is staying here
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Post by elystokie on Feb 3, 2016 7:38:02 GMT
Shocking performance......which ever way you look at it .....it's four defeats in a row....where's this strong squad we surposed to have....again,half of them don't look bothered...... technically we won at liverpool Quite an achievement since 'half of them don't look bothered' 8-|
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 3, 2016 9:49:00 GMT
Wouldn't it be nice if we bought a proper centre back to play alongside Ryan, though? At the minute we've got a collection of centre backs who looks good when they play alongside Shawcross, but forget how to defend the minute he's not there to tell them what to do. We're not skimping or making do in any other areas of the pitch, and we certainly shouldn't be doing that at the heart of our defence. I fail to really see why having a second good quality defender with organisational skills to play alongside Shawcross and hold things around when Ryan's injured is seen as anathema. So Wolly isn't a proper CB?... Wouldn't it be nice if we bought a proper centre back to play alongside Ryan, though? At the minute we've got a collection of centre backs who looks good when they play alongside Shawcross, but forget how to defend the minute he's not there to tell them what to do. We're not skimping or making do in any other areas of the pitch, and we certainly shouldn't be doing that at the heart of our defence. I fail to really see why having a second good quality defender with organisational skills to play alongside Shawcross and hold things around when Ryan's injured is seen as anathema. And here is me thinking he was brill at Liverpool??? was everybody wrong then??? Wollscheid is just ok. He looks good alongside Ryan, but otherwise he's prone to losing the plot. Same goes for Muniesa. Both are capable of having good games, like at Liverpool, but they're also liable to go into total meltdown. You're then onto the 'do a job' players, Wilson and Cameron, neither of whom are particularly thrilling there. It just bugs me that we have such strength in depth elsewhere on the pitch, but seem to think that having one good defender and then making do in the other position is a good plan. The next big step in terms of progress is to buy a proper, commanding centre back to play with Ryan, keep Wollscheid and Muniesa for the role played by Cameron and Wilson now and to sell Wilson to Sunderland.
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Post by foster on Feb 3, 2016 9:53:34 GMT
So Wolly isn't a proper CB?... And here is me thinking he was brill at Liverpool??? was everybody wrong then??? Wollscheid is just ok. He looks good alongside Ryan, but otherwise he's prone to losing the plot. Same goes for Muniesa. Both are capable of having good games, like at Liverpool, but they're also liable to go into total meltdown. You're then onto the 'do a job' players, Wilson and Cameron, neither of whom are particularly thrilling there. It just bugs me that we have such strength in depth elsewhere on the pitch, but seem to think that having one good defender and then making do in the other position is a good plan. The next big step in terms of progress is to buy a proper, commanding centre back to play with Ryan, keep Wollscheid and Muniesa for the role played by Cameron and Wilson now and to sell Wilson to Sunderland. He's better than 'just ok'. His stats speak for themselves and he's put in arguably the best CB performance for us this season.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 3, 2016 10:09:12 GMT
I really cant understand why we did not replace Huth, or why we got rid of him come that matter. We are woefully short in that area and have been all season, for me Muni/Cameron are not the answer at this level, so why have we not added pre-season or even replaced the loss of Huth. To add insult our captain has had long term injuries in both windows and we still have not been prompted to buy and with Wilson out in this window too, why have we not done something about it when we had the chance. I really think Hughes has lost the plot with his central defenders, he just does not seem to be aware of the problem we have there - I dont get it. With Wolly out who the feck are we going to play there now. 2012/13 Squad DF Cameron Higgy Huth Shawcross Wilson Wilko 2013/14 Squad Df Cameron Pieters (Replace Higgy) Huth Shawcross Wilson Wilko Muniesa (1 for the future) 2014/15 Squad Df Cameron Bardlsey (Replace Wilko/Cameron) Shawcross Wilson Huth Pieters Muniesa Tex (1 for the future) 2015/16 Squad DF Cameron Johnson (Replace Bardlsey) Shawcross Wollscheid (Replaced HUTH) Wilson Pieters Muniesa Tex Bardsley We have more defenders than ever, and Huth was replaced before he was even allowed to leave. It's scoring goals that is our problem, not conceding them.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 3, 2016 10:34:26 GMT
I really cant understand why we did not replace Huth, or why we got rid of him come that matter. We are woefully short in that area and have been all season, for me Muni/Cameron are not the answer at this level, so why have we not added pre-season or even replaced the loss of Huth. To add insult our captain has had long term injuries in both windows and we still have not been prompted to buy and with Wilson out in this window too, why have we not done something about it when we had the chance. I really think Hughes has lost the plot with his central defenders, he just does not seem to be aware of the problem we have there - I dont get it. With Wolly out who the feck are we going to play there now. 2012/13 Squad DF Cameron Higgy Huth Shawcross Wilson Wilko 2013/14 Squad Df Cameron Pieters (Replace Higgy) Huth Shawcross Wilson Wilko Muniesa (1 for the future) 2014/15 Squad Df Cameron Bardlsey (Replace Wilko/Cameron) Shawcross Wilson Huth Pieters Muniesa Tex (1 for the future) 2015/16 Squad DF Cameron Johnson (Replace Bardlsey) Shawcross Wollscheid (Replaced HUTH) Wilson Pieters Muniesa Tex Bardsley We have more defenders than ever, and Huth was replaced before he was even allowed to leave. It's scoring goals that is our problem, not conceding them. As you rightly say, Tex is one for the future so that reduces this year's tally by one. 'Muni' isn't a CB, Cameron isn't a CB. It's the imbalance in numbers between FBs and CBs that is the problem.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 3, 2016 10:47:17 GMT
2012/13 Squad DF Cameron Higgy Huth Shawcross Wilson Wilko 2013/14 Squad Df Cameron Pieters (Replace Higgy) Huth Shawcross Wilson Wilko Muniesa (1 for the future) 2014/15 Squad Df Cameron Bardlsey (Replace Wilko/Cameron) Shawcross Wilson Huth Pieters Muniesa Tex (1 for the future) 2015/16 Squad DF Cameron Johnson (Replace Bardlsey) Shawcross Wollscheid (Replaced HUTH) Wilson Pieters Muniesa Tex Bardsley We have more defenders than ever, and Huth was replaced before he was even allowed to leave. It's scoring goals that is our problem, not conceding them. As you rightly say, Tex is one for the future so that reduces this year's tally by one. 'Muni' isn't a CB, Cameron isn't a CB. It's the imbalance in numbers between FBs and CBs that is the problem. I agree on various showings this season Cameron & Muni have been pretty bad at CB but it's the "Not replaced Huth" line that is just complete BS. Also for several seasons now we've had 2 proper CB's, a supposed proper back up CB (Wilson) then a couple of can do a job CB's. It's just an injury crisis for a particular position, Something a manager can't really prepare for, certainly not a club of our size.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 3, 2016 10:56:16 GMT
2012/13 Squad DF Cameron Higgy Huth Shawcross Wilson Wilko 2013/14 Squad Df Cameron Pieters (Replace Higgy) Huth Shawcross Wilson Wilko Muniesa (1 for the future) 2014/15 Squad Df Cameron Bardlsey (Replace Wilko/Cameron) Shawcross Wilson Huth Pieters Muniesa Tex (1 for the future) 2015/16 Squad DF Cameron Johnson (Replace Bardlsey) Shawcross Wollscheid (Replaced HUTH) Wilson Pieters Muniesa Tex Bardsley We have more defenders than ever, and Huth was replaced before he was even allowed to leave. It's scoring goals that is our problem, not conceding them. As you rightly say, Tex is one for the future so that reduces this year's tally by one. 'Muni' isn't a CB, Cameron isn't a CB. It's the imbalance in numbers between FBs and CBs that is the problem. If Muni isn't a CB what the hell is he because he's not a full back or a midfielder either.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 3, 2016 11:03:59 GMT
'Muni' is better at LB as cover for Pieters than as a CB. Like many posters, I think his best position could be DM?
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Post by overthehills on Feb 3, 2016 11:11:09 GMT
GK - Butland, Haugaard, Given
RB - Johnson, Beardsley
CB - Shawcross, Wollshield, Wilson, Cameron, Tiex.
LB - Pieters, Muniesa
CM - Imbula, Whelen, Afelley, Adam, Ireland.
ARM - Shaqiri, Walters. ACM - Bojan. ALM - Arnautovic.
FWD - Diouf, Joselu, Crouch, Odemwingie.
That's how I see our main 25 under the formation we play.
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 3, 2016 11:28:21 GMT
Wolly's fabulous, don't care what anyone says. Real shame he's out.
We always seem to really suffer this time of year with players getting crocked.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 3, 2016 18:30:24 GMT
Any update?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 18:34:35 GMT
'Muni' is better at LB as cover for Pieters than as a CB. Like many posters, I think his best position could be DM? He strikes me very much as a frustrated left winger.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 3, 2016 23:13:05 GMT
I really cant understand why we did not replace Huth, or why we got rid of him come that matter. We are woefully short in that area and have been all season, for me Muni/Cameron are not the answer at this level, so why have we not added pre-season or even replaced the loss of Huth. To add insult our captain has had long term injuries in both windows and we still have not been prompted to buy and with Wilson out in this window too, why have we not done something about it when we had the chance. I really think Hughes has lost the plot with his central defenders, he just does not seem to be aware of the problem we have there - I dont get it. With Wolly out who the feck are we going to play there now. 2012/13 Squad DF Cameron Higgy Huth Shawcross Wilson Wilko 2013/14 Squad Df Cameron Pieters (Replace Higgy) Huth Shawcross Wilson Wilko Muniesa (1 for the future) 2014/15 Squad Df Cameron Bardlsey (Replace Wilko/Cameron) Shawcross Wilson Huth Pieters Muniesa Tex (1 for the future) 2015/16 Squad DF Cameron Johnson (Replace Bardlsey) Shawcross Wollscheid (Replaced HUTH) Wilson Pieters Muniesa Tex Bardsley We have more defenders than ever, and Huth was replaced before he was even allowed to leave. It's scoring goals that is our problem, not conceding them. My point was more that we are strugling in the centre of defence. Personally I think we have Wolly/Shawcross who can cut it at this level - We have Cameron who can do a job at the centre of defence, but for me is not a natural in that position. Arguably Huth was better than all of them. Conceeding goals has been a problem since we lost our captain against Leicester and we look poor without him. I would love us to bring some real quality in at the centre of defence in the pre-season. We needed some quality down the spine of our side in the window, we got a much needed centre mid who will hopefully be a great buy for us and a step up from Nzonzi and yes we need a striker too
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 3, 2016 23:28:53 GMT
Let's hope Wolly will be be fit soon.
Ditto for Ryan, Cameron and Wilson.
There is not a team in the country who could cope with 4 first choice CBs injured.
Leicester without Huth were relagtion favourites.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 4, 2016 0:07:40 GMT
Let's hope Wolly will be be fit soon. Ditto for Ryan, Cameron and Wilson. There is not a team in the country who could cope with 4 first choice CBs injured. Leicester without Huth were relagtion favourites. Stoke with Huth would have 10 more points (minimum!) this season.
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Post by mattythestokie on Feb 4, 2016 0:24:54 GMT
Let's hope Wolly will be be fit soon. Ditto for Ryan, Cameron and Wilson. There is not a team in the country who could cope with 4 first choice CBs injured. Leicester without Huth were relagtion favourites. Stoke with Huth would have 10 more points (minimum!) this season. Then why have we done better without him?
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 4, 2016 0:38:15 GMT
Let's hope Wolly will be be fit soon. Ditto for Ryan, Cameron and Wilson. There is not a team in the country who could cope with 4 first choice CBs injured. Leicester without Huth were relagtion favourites. Stoke with Huth would have 10 more points (minimum!) this season. Really. Stop drinking. Minimum of 10 points? Of all the daft posts on the Oatcake this really is going to take some beating.
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Post by enuntio on Feb 4, 2016 4:09:46 GMT
Is there any news on Wolfs injury status?
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Post by rawli on Feb 4, 2016 9:40:10 GMT
Let's hope Wolly will be be fit soon. Ditto for Ryan, Cameron and Wilson. There is not a team in the country who could cope with 4 first choice CBs injured. Leicester without Huth were relagtion favourites. Stoke with Huth would have 10 more points (minimum!) this season. You missed off 'FACT'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 10:51:13 GMT
Let's hope Wolly will be be fit soon. Ditto for Ryan, Cameron and Wilson. There is not a team in the country who could cope with 4 first choice CBs injured. Leicester without Huth were relagtion favourites. Stoke with Huth would have 10 more points (minimum!) this season. Can he score goals now?
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Post by foster on Feb 4, 2016 10:54:40 GMT
Is there any news on Wolfs injury status? Same question?
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Post by technostokie on Feb 4, 2016 13:06:09 GMT
The Strong Squad is Burned out, through total lack of rotation, MH wanted to play full season with same team.now its gonna bite him on the ass.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 4, 2016 13:15:31 GMT
Stoke with Huth would have 10 more points (minimum!) this season. Can he score goals now? With a more secure defence, in the absence of Ryan, would we have dropped so many points if Huth had played? Ryan shows what a leader and commanding CH does for the entire team! It spreads confidence whereas a weak defence creates uncertainty through the entire team.
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