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Post by leicspotter on Jan 25, 2016 20:53:04 GMT
Thanks for the update Malcolm and keep up the good work. It actually sounds very encouraging and eventually, I am sure, there will be enough clubs who see the light and push this through
Cheers
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Jan 25, 2016 23:24:27 GMT
We've just sold out Leicester at £35 a ticket. Some folk have no right to moan if you're going to keep paying it. I don't agree with that personally. It's our game, not theirs, so why should we stop going. I go to every away game because I want to keep supporting my team but I don't think that removes my right to "moan", although I agree that moaning without trying to do something about it doesn't achieve anything. The fact that there is now a real debate among clubs about this, which there wasn't before, shows that we are having some effect. From a clubs point of view they aren't going make tickets cheaper when they are selling at a high price.
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Post by wembley4372 on Jan 26, 2016 8:43:40 GMT
I didn't know that this campaign was only for away fans.
What's the one for home fans called?
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Post by Mcdanger on Jan 26, 2016 9:24:20 GMT
Is this 'away fans fund' a new thing??? If so how new?? I always thought the free travel was something done out of the goodness of Peter Coates' heart...
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 26, 2016 10:30:17 GMT
I didn't know that this campaign was only for away fans. What's the one for home fans called? Obviously we want to see cheaper prices for all fans. Twenty's plenty for all tickets ! But the position for home fans is different than away fans in a couple of respects. First, a large proportion are season ticket holders who do not pay the same high match day price as away fans (particularly at a club like Stoke which has frozen ST prices) and, second, there is no consultative mechanism for away fans on ticket prices as there is at many clubs for home ticket prices ( the Supporters council in our case). It's also partly a tactical choice in the early stages of a campaign about focussing your energy where there is the best chance of getting a result. I think it will be much harder to get clubs to agree to regulation of their home prices.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 26, 2016 10:38:08 GMT
Is this 'away fans fund' a new thing??? If so how new?? I always thought the free travel was something done out of the goodness of Peter Coates' heart... This is its 3rd year. We'd have to check the history - I can't actually recall whether Stoke had decided to do it before the Away Fund was established for all clubs. I have a feeling they might have done - but in any case, Stoke City were the leading club advocating action on prices before the fund was established, so IMHO the club deserves credit for the establishment of the fund. Stoke's decision to provide free travel might have 'shamed' clubs into agreeing to the fund. I'd have to check the exact dates. What is certainly the case is that Stoke didn't provide free travel only because other clubs had proposed the fund.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 26, 2016 10:40:22 GMT
I don't agree with that personally. It's our game, not theirs, so why should we stop going. I go to every away game because I want to keep supporting my team but I don't think that removes my right to "moan", although I agree that moaning without trying to do something about it doesn't achieve anything. The fact that there is now a real debate among clubs about this, which there wasn't before, shows that we are having some effect. From a clubs point of view they aren't going make tickets cheaper when they are selling at a high price. Depends how much long term vision they've got.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 26, 2016 10:51:40 GMT
I cannot imagine that the SC would do anything other than enthusiastically support it - why wouldn't they ? Anthony is a club employee and a decision on that would be above his pay grade but, in any case, I don't believe he would be anything other than supportive. Supportive or not, both are toothless and have absolutely no influence on any final outcome. I don't personally agree with that. In a literal sense the SC is 'toothless' because, like all such bodies, it is a consultative body and doesn't have the power to take decisions on significant issues but I don't think it's true that it has absolutely no influence on any final outcome. On this issue I think the club are pretty much onside anyway, so the extent of influence of the SC doesn't need to be tested. On Anthony E., I can only take as I find. In my experience he is definitely one of the better Supporters Liaison Officers. On two or three individual cases which I have dealt with where supporters haven't been properly treated by the club, he has been effective in getting a fair resolution.
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Post by Mcdanger on Jan 26, 2016 13:31:07 GMT
Is this 'away fans fund' a new thing??? If so how new?? I always thought the free travel was something done out of the goodness of Peter Coates' heart... This is its 3rd year. We'd have to check the history - I can't actually recall whether Stoke had decided to do it before the Away Fund was established for all clubs. I have a feeling they might have done - but in any case, Stoke City were the leading club advocating action on prices before the fund was established, so IMHO the club deserves credit for the establishment of the fund. Stoke's decision to provide free travel might have 'shamed' clubs into agreeing to the fund. I'd have to check the exact dates. What is certainly the case is that Stoke didn't provide free travel only because other clubs had proposed the fund. Ok cheers Malcolm, there seems to be a lot of little payments to clubs here and there that are never passed on to the most important people in football...us fans!!
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Post by potterglen on Jan 26, 2016 14:24:41 GMT
Supportive or not, both are toothless and have absolutely no influence on any final outcome. I don't personally agree with that. In a literal sense the SC is 'toothless' because, like all such bodies, it is a consultative body and doesn't have the power to take decisions on significant issues but I don't think it's true that it has absolutely no influence on any final outcome. On this issue I think the club are pretty much onside anyway, so the extent of influence of the SC doesn't need to be tested. On Anthony E., I can only take as I find. In my experience he is definitely one of the better Supporters Liaison Officers. On two or three individual cases which I have dealt with where supporters haven't been properly treated by the club, he has been effective in getting a fair resolution. Took a month to respond to a email and I had to chase him up, all I got was copy/past of last SC meeting and there was no record of debate regarding the issue I raised - toothless and ineffective. Its very noble of you to sing the praises of the SC and Anthony Emmerson, but they have zero influence with the club on behalf of supporters so whats the point? You may recall my contacting you regarding supporters being removed from the Emirates some years ago, positive outcome without either of the above.
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Post by potterglen on Jan 26, 2016 14:28:10 GMT
Let's guess Arsenal are one of them and the majority of clubs objecting are in London ? Correct, we'd be about a fiver a ticket better off for the majority of games where Landaners stand to pocket £20+ per ticket.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 26, 2016 15:47:18 GMT
I don't personally agree with that. In a literal sense the SC is 'toothless' because, like all such bodies, it is a consultative body and doesn't have the power to take decisions on significant issues but I don't think it's true that it has absolutely no influence on any final outcome. On this issue I think the club are pretty much onside anyway, so the extent of influence of the SC doesn't need to be tested. On Anthony E., I can only take as I find. In my experience he is definitely one of the better Supporters Liaison Officers. On two or three individual cases which I have dealt with where supporters haven't been properly treated by the club, he has been effective in getting a fair resolution. Took a month to respond to a email and I had to chase him up, all I got was copy/past of last SC meeting and there was no record of debate regarding the issue I raised - toothless and ineffective. Its very noble of you to sing the praises of the SC and Anthony Emmerson, but they have zero influence with the club on behalf of supporters so whats the point? You may recall my contacting you regarding supporters being removed from the Emirates some years ago, positive outcome without either of the above. Obviously our experiences of Anthony are very different. With regard to the issue you raised - whatever it was - I suggest you contact either the chair of the SC or your rep. on it direct. I haven't been on it for nearly two years so can't really comment beyond that. I'm afraid I don't recall the Emirates issue - probably a combination of advancing senility on my part and not knowing your real name - apologies for that but I'm glad it had a positive outcome. If it was some years ago, it may have been before Anthony's time ?
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Post by wembley4372 on Jan 26, 2016 22:44:21 GMT
I find it very disappointing that your main aim seems to be going for such half measures.
You can aim higher or at the very least have more than one target.
I remember being told many years ago if you expect to fail you will fail. You really don't have to bend over and take what you are given.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 5, 2016 10:33:13 GMT
Load of wank... The richest league in the world received confirmation of their extraordinary £8billion-plus haul from TV rights on Thursday, yet couldn’t agree the way forward to help away fans.
The 20 Premier League clubs, despite being awash with money over the next three seasons (£5.1bn domestic and £3bn overseas), spent more time debating the issue of assisting travelling supporters than any other item on the agenda during a five-and-a-half-hour meeting in London.
The big clubs, as usual, were against the sensible proposal to cap away tickets at £30, although Everton spoke loudly in favour.
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3432561/Premier-League-clubs-make-8bn-TV-rights-big-boys-vote-proposal-cap-away-tickets-30.html#ixzz3zHwY8z9m Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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Post by Theninjabadger on Feb 5, 2016 10:42:35 GMT
The biggest problem is that football is a business with the majority being run by people who only care about making money. If their stadium is 95+% full charging up to £50 per ticket they aren't going to reduce their prices to get another few thousand in the ground
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 5, 2016 10:56:32 GMT
Load of wank... The richest league in the world received confirmation of their extraordinary £8billion-plus haul from TV rights on Thursday, yet couldn’t agree the way forward to help away fans.
The 20 Premier League clubs, despite being awash with money over the next three seasons (£5.1bn domestic and £3bn overseas), spent more time debating the issue of assisting travelling supporters than any other item on the agenda during a five-and-a-half-hour meeting in London.
The big clubs, as usual, were against the sensible proposal to cap away tickets at £30, although Everton spoke loudly in favour.
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3432561/Premier-League-clubs-make-8bn-TV-rights-big-boys-vote-proposal-cap-away-tickets-30.html#ixzz3zHwY8z9m Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
It is a pity that this vote was taken in a secret ballot. An open vote might have shamed one or two more clubs into supporting the proposal. And it seems like only one or two needed to change their vote to have reached the necessary majority.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 5, 2016 11:29:35 GMT
Load of wank... The richest league in the world received confirmation of their extraordinary £8billion-plus haul from TV rights on Thursday, yet couldn’t agree the way forward to help away fans.
The 20 Premier League clubs, despite being awash with money over the next three seasons (£5.1bn domestic and £3bn overseas), spent more time debating the issue of assisting travelling supporters than any other item on the agenda during a five-and-a-half-hour meeting in London.
The big clubs, as usual, were against the sensible proposal to cap away tickets at £30, although Everton spoke loudly in favour.
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3432561/Premier-League-clubs-make-8bn-TV-rights-big-boys-vote-proposal-cap-away-tickets-30.html#ixzz3zHwY8z9m Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
It is a pity that this vote was taken in a secret ballot. An open vote might have shamed one or two more clubs into supporting the proposal. And it seems like only one or two needed to change their vote to have reached the necessary majority. Absolutely John. We are currently trying to get more intelligence on what exactly went on, before deciding on the next stage of the campaign strategy. They have one final chance at their next meeting to do something for next season. But at least there is a real debate going on now with some high profile media coverage.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 5, 2016 12:16:42 GMT
Here is a novel idea Malcolm
Get the clubs who support 20 is plenty to organise repricoral deals between them selves Publicise it Shame the rest.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 5, 2016 13:41:49 GMT
Here is a novel idea Malcolm Get the clubs who support 20 is plenty to organise repricoral deals between them selves Publicise it Shame the rest. I think that is quite likely to happen if they don't do anything at their next (and final this season) shareholders meeting
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 5, 2016 13:43:38 GMT
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 5, 2016 17:17:52 GMT
Lamest excuse yet!
Wenger just doesn't want opposition fans disturbing the quiet of his library!
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Post by Northy on Feb 5, 2016 17:55:16 GMT
Why should players going to China affect the PL and European competitions, there's enough players to go around FFS
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 5, 2016 18:09:01 GMT
You don't get turkeys voting for Christmas. It has to come from the PL as a condition of entry to the competition.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 7, 2016 12:47:48 GMT
You don't get turkeys voting for Christmas. It has to come from the PL as a condition of entry to the competition. The PL IS the clubs. Any rule change requires the support of 14 of the 20 shareholders i.e 14 clubs. There is no other PL body which can make such a requirement.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2016 13:38:35 GMT
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Post by RF10 on Sept 16, 2021 17:58:41 GMT
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Post by RF10 on Sept 17, 2021 11:48:55 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 17, 2021 20:33:40 GMT
If you look at the latest FSA weekly newsletter ( you can sign up for it - free of course) you will see that we are receiving an increasing number of complaints about away ticket prices in the Championship and have called for a cap. We will be raising it at our next meeting with the EFL.
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Post by RF10 on Sept 17, 2021 21:32:34 GMT
Fantastic. Do we think there will ever be a time where Twenty's plenty for home and away fans. I certainly hope so.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 17, 2021 23:05:17 GMT
Fantastic. Do we think there will ever be a time where Twenty's plenty for home and away fans. I certainly hope so. Yo! inflation doesn't stand still you know. What else can you buy for the same price you paid 5 years ago (assuming they had implemented it then, which they didn't)? I suggest you start a new campaign ..... "Fifty's Nifty" rhymes well!
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