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Post by numpty40 on Jan 23, 2016 18:07:15 GMT
I'm not one for knee jerk reaction but I'd just like to say Wilson was fucking awful. I don't want or need an apology from him for him being so wank I'd just rather he didn't play for us again.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 23, 2016 18:08:12 GMT
Indeed. We created one proper chance, how would another striker have helped that? I disagree Rob. I think the reason Sparky played Joselu in the hole in the second half was because he (rightly) new that we needed his aerial presence on the pitch. Thing is, Joselu isn't really creative enough to play the no. 10 role and if we're going to create chances for our loan striker then this will become a part of the problem. If we're going to play Whelan and Afellay as the two in a 4-2-3-1, with a creative player behind the striker, then your loan striker has to be good in the air (or we have no aerial presence on the pitch) AND he needs to have pace. We don't have striker with both of those attributes on our books at the moment. In a perfect world that's what we'd have up front Paul but the strikers we have at the moment (or three of them at least) all bring plenty to the table even if they don't have all the attributes together. I don't see it as anywhere near the priority that a winger or holding player are.
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Post by YounginStoke on Jan 23, 2016 18:08:53 GMT
Indeed. We created one proper chance, how would another striker have helped that? I disagree Rob. I think the reason Sparky played Joselu in the hole in the second half was because he (rightly) new that we needed his aerial presence on the pitch. Thing is, Joselu isn't really creative enough to play the no. 10 role and if we're going to create chances for our loan striker then this will become a part of the problem. If we're going to play Whelan and Afellay as the two in a 4-2-3-1, with a creative player behind the striker, then your loan striker has to be good in the air (or we have no aerial presence on the pitch) AND he needs to have pace. We don't have striker with both of those attributes on our books at the moment. I'd say that's Diouf's two main attributes, pace and heading ability!
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Post by trigger on Jan 23, 2016 18:09:36 GMT
In standing still I refer to Watford, Palace, Sunderland, Newcastle, West Bum and yes Leicester.
Total yield this season 2 scrawny points, oh and yes poor management fo a majority of these games.
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Post by foster on Jan 23, 2016 18:09:59 GMT
We didn't create anything today so a different striker wouldn't have changed much but For whatever reason Hughes doesn't fancy Diouf as the main man, and I rate Joselu but he's not a 15-20 goal a season striker and neither are any of the other options we have. If Hughes isn't going to play Diouf as the main man up top then we do need another striker up top. We need another winger for both sides. Walters or Diouf don't work. Saying that I'm not entirely blaming Wilson today. Hughes has stuck with a consistent team and the fringe players have barely had a look in. Today was just too many changes from the off.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 23, 2016 18:10:11 GMT
We had two wide players on the pitch playing out of position in Afellay and Shaqiri. Shaqiri is one of two we have at the club. Afellay isn't the answer out wide. I still think we need some deep midfielders with Afellay playing more of an attacking role or as cover out wide. Seeing Walters and Diouf on the wings is killing me.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 23, 2016 18:11:09 GMT
We created two glorious chances. Walters and Joselu fluffed their lines, AGAIN. Two isn't enough Dave. In the first half we didn't create anything at all. Literally nothing. Had we taken those chances the game is different. We may have created more as Leicester became more open. Vardy had one chance, far more difficult than our two, and scored easily. Kane scored with his first chance, Austin with his first kick in a Southampton shirt. We might not create enough (I'm probably alone in being tremendously disappointed by what shaqiri has offered this season) but our strikers are neither good enough or a consistent enough goal threat. The movement is abysmal as well which doesn't help in the chance creation stakes.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 23, 2016 18:14:27 GMT
I disagree Rob. I think the reason Sparky played Joselu in the hole in the second half was because he (rightly) new that we needed his aerial presence on the pitch. Thing is, Joselu isn't really creative enough to play the no. 10 role and if we're going to create chances for our loan striker then this will become a part of the problem. If we're going to play Whelan and Afellay as the two in a 4-2-3-1, with a creative player behind the striker, then your loan striker has to be good in the air (or we have no aerial presence on the pitch) AND he needs to have pace. We don't have striker with both of those attributes on our books at the moment. In a perfect world that's what we'd have up front Paul but the strikers we have at the moment (or three of them at least) all bring plenty to the table even if they don't have all the attributes together. I don't see it as anywhere near the priority that a winger or holding player are. I think it creates a knock on problem throughout the rest of team Rob. Afellay has been a revelation for me this season. If Bojan was in form, then it would mean that we would have to play each game either with no pace up front or with no aerial presence anywhere on the pitch. That surely can't be acceptable? It's nothing to do with an ideal world. We need a winger AND a striker. I'd feel far more comfortable if we were apparently ready to drop £20 mil on a striker, rather than £20 million on a replacement for Afellay, if we're talking about priorities.
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 23, 2016 18:15:53 GMT
The game was lost before kick off with that team. And some people think a wide player isn't a priority. I thought our problems were in the middle. Partly we struggled to get a grip in the middle (and yet Affelay did look class on the ball. I'm struggling to square that circle), and partly we played our most creative wide player there for much of the game. Meanwhile Diouf was wasted out wide. Defensive cover is our priority in my view. I've said it repeatedly, fearing injury/suspension for Wolly or Ryan..... Baffling subs, not for the first time this season.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 23, 2016 18:18:53 GMT
Two isn't enough Dave. In the first half we didn't create anything at all. Literally nothing. Had we taken those chances the game is different. We may have created more as Leicester became more open. Vardy had one chance, far more difficult than our two, and scored easily. Kane scored with his first chance, Austin with his first kick in a Southampton shirt. We might not create enough (I'm probably alone in being tremendously disappointed by what shaqiri has offered this season) but our strikers are neither good enough or a consistent enough goal threat. The movement is abysmal as well which doesn't help in the chance creation stakes. Spot on. Sunderland away was the same. Walters missed a chance my gran would score. We have to be more clinical. However, Joselu has looked like he can finish recently. He should be given a run in the striker role. It's wingers we need to concentrate on. We need to move out players we don't need and bring in wingers and now probably a centre back. All easily said but not done granted but I hope we make some real efforts to recruit this window as this could still be a superb season
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 23, 2016 18:20:30 GMT
In a perfect world that's what we'd have up front Paul but the strikers we have at the moment (or three of them at least) all bring plenty to the table even if they don't have all the attributes together. I don't see it as anywhere near the priority that a winger or holding player are. I think it creates a knock on problem throughout the rest of team Rob. Afellay has been a revelation for me this season. If Bojan was in form, then it would mean that we would have to play each game either with no pace up front or with no aerial presence anywhere on the pitch. That surely can't be acceptable? It's nothing to do with an ideal world. We need a winger AND a striker. I'd feel far more comfortable if we were apparently ready to drop £20 mil on a striker, rather than £20 million on a replacement for Afellay, if we're talking about priorities. I don't think Diouf's aerial presence is that bad to be honest Paul. Where he falls down for me is his link up play, which needs to be a lot better. Yet if he'd played Shaqiri in the hole with Diouf up front today, or Shaqiri and Walters/Afellay wide and Joselu and Diouf up front, I think we might have given them much more of a game.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 23, 2016 18:21:37 GMT
The game was lost before kick off with that team. And some people think a wide player isn't a priority. I thought our problems were in the middle. Partly we struggled to get a grip in the middle (and yet Affelay did look class on the ball. I'm struggling to square that circle), and partly we played our most creative wide player there for much of the game. Meanwhile Diouf was wasted out wide. Defensive cover is our priority in my view. I've said it repeatedly, fearing injury/suspension for Wolly or Ryan..... Baffling subs, not for the first time this season. We lost the grip on the middle because we had no one in the front four who could turn on the ball and run it. Kante was hunting them down easily. Whelan and Affellay played well. Defence and attack were poor. We need wingers and a CB
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 23, 2016 18:27:54 GMT
I think it creates a knock on problem throughout the rest of team Rob. Afellay has been a revelation for me this season. If Bojan was in form, then it would mean that we would have to play each game either with no pace up front or with no aerial presence anywhere on the pitch. That surely can't be acceptable? It's nothing to do with an ideal world. We need a winger AND a striker. I'd feel far more comfortable if we were apparently ready to drop £20 mil on a striker, rather than £20 million on a replacement for Afellay, if we're talking about priorities. I don't think Diouf's aerial presence is that bad to be honest Paul. Where he falls down for me is his link up play, which needs to be a lot better. Yet if he'd played Shaqiri in the hole with Diouf up front today, or Shaqiri and Walters/Afellay wide and Joselu and Diouf up front, I think we might have given them much more of a game. Diouf might be okay in the box but he doesn't seem to win many aerial duels from goal kicks and defensive long balls to me. Maybe I'm wrong, you're better on stats than me, it's been a while since he's started up top. But you're right, his hold up play isn't really good enough. If Joselu had proper pace then I don't think it'd be an issue but it seems to me that because Hughes doesn't have a striker on his books with all the attributes he needs, he's having to compromise other positions to get those qualities on the pitch.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 23, 2016 18:32:17 GMT
I don't think Diouf's aerial presence is that bad to be honest Paul. Where he falls down for me is his link up play, which needs to be a lot better. Yet if he'd played Shaqiri in the hole with Diouf up front today, or Shaqiri and Walters/Afellay wide and Joselu and Diouf up front, I think we might have given them much more of a game. Diouf might be okay in the box but he doesn't seem to win many aerial duels from goal kicks and defensive long balls to me. Maybe I'm wrong, you're better on stats than me, it's been a while since he's started up top. But you're right his hold up play isn't really good enough. If Joselu had proper pace then I don't think it'd be an issue but it seems to me that because Hughes doesn't have a striker on his books with all the attributes he needs, he's having to compromise other positions to get those qualities on the pitch. Though I'd also like to see a striker who can put it all together (and when we signed Diouf I thought that's what we were getting), I think it's less of an issue with the right personnel around them. If you have a Bojan or Shaq in the hole they can often do the link play stuff, and if you've got pace out wide I think Joselu's link play becomes an asset despite his lack of pace. I can totally see the argument for finding a striker who can tick all the lone striker boxes but for me it's probably fourth or fifth on our list of priorities. As for Imbula, I'm in two minds. I thought today showed why we're absolutely crying out for some drive in the middle. But I don't want to see Afellay dropped either, while Glenn looks knackered.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 23, 2016 18:37:33 GMT
At what point and where is it appropriate to comment that Jon Walters has an amazing quality to control the ball, particularly with his chest, much further than most people can kick it???
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Post by mrred on Jan 23, 2016 18:40:41 GMT
One of the most unadventurous, anaemic, downright wank displays of attacking football under Hughes. They managed the game out with a cigar on whilst picking us off at will. Even had time to laugh and high five each other after Huths horrendous free kick. Wilson will take the headlines but let's look at the real issues. An utterly horrendous attacking display. What I've been feeling for a while to be honest, Manchester games aside. We've got a real case of boring going on at the moment. Totally devoid of creativity.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 23, 2016 18:48:27 GMT
Add Valencia to the list as well. Out injured most of the season, returns, instantly scores goals. 2 chances 2 goals today so far
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2016 18:59:10 GMT
This is really tired stuff now Pugs. If you can't see any problems or issues fine but if others can does it require silly name calling? (Most people on this board have witnessed more defeats than they could put a number to so your analysis is deeply flawed as well) Funny how you and your ilk are on like a flash as soon as the whistle goes on a poor display and result. We have issues like every club and we need players to be brought in but the over reaction is pathetic and embarrassing. It's been obvious all season Centre half needed. Winger needed.. Central midfielder needed. Manager to give his head a wobble needed.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 23, 2016 19:11:25 GMT
Funny how you and your ilk are on like a flash as soon as the whistle goes on a poor display and result. We have issues like every club and we need players to be brought in but the over reaction is pathetic and embarrassing. It's been obvious all season Centre half needed. Winger needed.. Central midfielder needed. Manager to give his head a wobble needed. Yep
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Post by jonnynico on Jan 23, 2016 20:04:16 GMT
Those saying we don't need a striker and centre half, today proves we do. WE HAVE FIVE STRIKERS. Two were on the bloody wing. We have enough strikers, possibly too many. We need a winger. O.K we need a striker that can score goals. How many of those FIVE were on the pitch today and how many goals did we score.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 20:06:36 GMT
WE HAVE FIVE STRIKERS. Two were on the bloody wing. We have enough strikers, possibly too many. We need a winger. O.K we need a striker that can score goals. How many of those FIVE were on the pitch today and how many goals did we score. None. Because no chances were created. Because the strikers were out of position as wingers. Instead of actual wingers who can create actual chances to score ACTUAL GOALS.
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Post by werrington on Jan 23, 2016 20:09:43 GMT
In standing still I refer to Watford, Palace, Sunderland, Newcastle, West Bum and yes Leicester. Total yield this season 2 scrawny points, oh and yes poor management fo a majority of these games. What about Man City,Man Utd, Chelsea etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 20:10:13 GMT
The game was lost before kick off with that team. And some people think a wide player isn't a priority. Hughes was rolling the dice with that horrible side...it didn't work, lets get the A team back together.
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Post by milky on Jan 23, 2016 20:13:06 GMT
In standing still I refer to Watford, Palace, Sunderland, Newcastle, West Bum and yes Leicester. Total yield this season 2 scrawny points, oh and yes poor management fo a majority of these games. What about Man City,Man Utd, Chelsea etc etc Them games don't count though. Not when there's a good opportunity have a go at the manager.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jan 23, 2016 20:15:20 GMT
I'm not one for knee jerk reaction but I'd just like to say Wilson was fucking awful. I don't want or need an apology from him for him being so wank I'd just rather he didn't play for us again. So what did you think of Butland performance today. ??
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 23, 2016 20:21:01 GMT
I'm not one for knee jerk reaction but I'd just like to say Wilson was fucking awful. I don't want or need an apology from him for him being so wank I'd just rather he didn't play for us again. So what did you think of Butland performance today. ?? Piss poor like everyone else involved today but not as piss poor as Wilson. Wilson was double piss poor as opposed to everyone else being merely piss poor.
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Post by Gunslinger on Jan 23, 2016 21:01:49 GMT
Lack of pace throughout the team particularly in the final third haunts us regular. I don't think the players lack pace. I do believe that the team lacks playing with pace. It's so pedestrian that it almost defy the laws of nature. Fair do if we're Real Madrid, Bayern München or Barcelona, but we don't have the players to use this kind of tactics. Using the players in their best position would help as well. Diouf on the wing?
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jan 23, 2016 21:28:52 GMT
So what did you think of Butland performance today. ?? Piss poor like everyone else involved today but not as piss poor as Wilson. Wilson was double piss poor as opposed to everyone else being merely piss poor. 55% of the possen which ever way you want to use them but
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jan 23, 2016 21:31:30 GMT
So what did you think of Butland performance today. ?? Piss poor like everyone else involved today but not as piss poor as Wilson. Wilson was double piss poor as opposed to everyone else being merely piss poor. Butland was treble piss poor but he has nice hair. ..
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 23, 2016 21:32:36 GMT
Piss poor like everyone else involved today but not as piss poor as Wilson. Wilson was double piss poor as opposed to everyone else being merely piss poor. 55% of the possen which ever way you want to use them but Not really sure what you're trying to say but I maintain that Wils was shit today
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