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Post by bathstoke on Jan 18, 2016 10:02:21 GMT
Anyone stop to think that maybe we aren't the problem ? Anyone stop to think that the media should stop printing the picture if they don't like us reacting ? Anyone stop to think that Spurs fans hear worse when Arsenal fans sing about millions of dead Jews ?? Get off your high horse. ......and I've heard some, fortunately not that many, of our idiots hissing at White Hart Lane. Fortunately it was self regulated yesterday with not that many getting involved in another small time shit song which does nothing to help the causes of SCFC. Didn't sound like a minority participating to me. Was much louder than Delilah
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 18, 2016 10:02:24 GMT
I have no affection for anything Arsenal or Ramsey or for that matter any other team or player that are not associated with my club.
I couldn't give a shit if Arsenal went tits up and bankrupt or whether Ramsey kicked another ball ever again.
My issue is that my club and its supporters, of which I am one, are being dragged down by moronic behaviour. We once again we have bad press at a time when our stock is relatively high. It's piss poor and there is no place for it in my opinion and all this he said she said shit that is being spilled after is typical of such morons. It has fuck all to do with anything else that is or ever was chanted at a match. No one outside of the SCFC following will ever understand the situation.
Do I personally have any respect for Ramsey in not accepting Ryan's apology? No, not one bit. I am content in knowing why there is a disdain for Ramsey amongst our following and I am proud Ryan emerged the better man from a terrible situation for both players.
Those chants yesterday take away from the good press and changing attitudes towards our club. It's a shame. It's also indefensible.
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Post by blooter on Jan 18, 2016 10:03:57 GMT
To sing that with hundreds of millions watching around the world was just plain stupid and has done our proud club no favours at all.
They have no idea about any "agenda" just see a talented footballer who had a career threatening injury getting abused with so much hatred and venom.
A bit rich that we are now moaning about all the bad press we have brought upon ourselves.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 18, 2016 10:08:13 GMT
I thought it was needless (as their media and social media presence is so vast and there are blogs to be written by foaming-at-the-mouth cyberfools from Kansas to Kuala Lumpur and it's all so tedious)
But when did everyone get so bloody precious?
When you take a step back, all he did was break his bloody leg. He wasn't blinded or paralysed and certainly doesn't actually walk with a sodding limp.
He's now healed and playing better than pre-injury and has been for a number of years.
We can all think of 10 reprehensible songs that are on a totally different plane to this laughable non-story.
If you put 30,000 football fans together, you're going to get the odd near-the-knuckle chant that you wouldn't want your vicar or your mother-in-law to hear, but this really is hardly worthy of discussion - and wouldn't have got any until about 10 years ago
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 10:08:44 GMT
I must admit I cringed when I heard it.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 18, 2016 10:10:55 GMT
Every now and then the opportunity arises to show a bit of class.
Looks like we missed it.
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Post by Davef on Jan 18, 2016 10:13:05 GMT
To sing that with hundreds of millions watching around the world was just plain stupid and has done our proud club no favours at all. They have no idea about any "agenda" just see a talented footballer who had a career threatening injury getting abused with so much hatred and venom. A bit rich that we are now moaning about all the bad press we have brought upon ourselves. So what's your opinion on our club captain - a decent family man - being subjected to repeated abuse ("Ryan Shawcross we wish you were dead" and "Shawcross, Shawcross, you're a c**t"). Maybe you haven't heard it? That's because it's never, ever highlighted by the southern, Arsenal biased media. I wish our fans hadn't done it, but come on, the chants aimed at Ramsey yesterday aren't even on the same level as the abuse Ryan gets.
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Post by mattface on Jan 18, 2016 10:13:08 GMT
Don't remember this outcry last year and am sure it was sung then too - must have been a slow news day
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jan 18, 2016 10:18:41 GMT
The article they published in the Sunday Telegraph ( the printed copy) was actually quite fair, it had no bias either for Arsenal or against Stoke, it just tried to hype up the atmosphere during our games. The piece in the Express however was disgraceful even going so far as to blame 4 Stoke fans for the abuse that Wenger got at Stoke Station last year even though it was his own bloody fans. The chanting did make me uncomfortable and it wasn’t necessary but that said their continued abuse of Ryan is just as bad, after all the boy tried hard to apologise only to have it very publicly thrown back in his face, repeatedly. If anybody from Arsenal really wanted to put this to bed they could by having a shot media piece from Ramsay saying how he’s forgiven Ryan and moved on but it suits Wenger down to the ground to portray us as thugs on and off the pitch.
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Post by silverdollar on Jan 18, 2016 10:32:30 GMT
How is it disgusting? It's not like he died. He hurt his leg, for goodness' sake, then it got better and now he's paid more in a year then most of our supporters put together to get over it. Even then he still moans like a Jessie about it in the press. I'm sorry to say this but it is very hard not to read your comment and form the opinion that you must be an absolute cretin. The reason I have come to this conclusion is that you state that you cannot understand what was wrong with the chanting concerning the Ramsay chant. Just because Ramsay's behaviour towards Shawcross has not been appropriate since his injury doesn't mean it's OK to lower yourself to his standards. Mark Hughes and all the players are working themselves to the bone to raise the profile of Stoke City in a big Worldwide market and when a minority of Neanderthal morons see fit to chant such vile and stupid chants it can only damage our reputation. We need to focus on positive vocal support that makes our own players and team feel inspired. Let's get rid of the foul negative and cheap humour chants.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 10:36:40 GMT
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Post by potters1863 on Jan 18, 2016 10:40:44 GMT
How is it disgusting? It's not like he died. He hurt his leg, for goodness' sake, then it got better and now he's paid more in a year then most of our supporters put together to get over it. Even then he still moans like a Jessie about it in the press. I'm sorry to say this but it is very hard not to read your comment and form the opinion that you must be an absolute cretin. The reason I have come to this conclusion is that you state that you cannot understand what was wrong with the chanting concerning the Ramsay chant. Just because Ramsay's behaviour towards Shawcross has not been appropriate since his injury doesn't mean it's OK to lower yourself to his standards. Mark Hughes and all the players are working themselves to the bone to raise the profile of Stoke City in a big Worldwide market and when a minority of Neanderthal morons see fit to chant such vile and stupid chants it can only damage our reputation. We need to focus on positive vocal support that makes our own players and team feel inspired. Let's get rid of the foul negative and cheap humour chants. I am disgusted, DISGUSTED that you have referred to a fellow poster as a cretin. You have caused massive offence to all those with the curse of this congenital thyroid deficiency. 'Supporters' like you should be drummed out of the club, reported to the offence police and publicly flayed with the pages of Mao's Little Red Book. FFS. AL,AP,AS.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 10:43:47 GMT
Wow.... Just wow. I didn't think I could fucking hate the guardian more but they seem to have a way. I almost get the impression they told Peter they wanted an interview about the match, asked him one question about the football and then flew into a tirade about the fans. Just how shitty is journalism these days and yet not a word about the abuse Ryan gets. That's all ok, because it's arsenal and they're 'special'.
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2016 10:44:07 GMT
......and I've heard some, fortunately not that many, of our idiots hissing at White Hart Lane. Fortunately it was self regulated yesterday with not that many getting involved in another small time shit song which does nothing to help the causes of SCFC. Didn't sound like a minority participating to me. Was much louder than Delilah You need your ears testing
I couldn't sing yesterday due to the old throat so I was listening. Not aware of anyone around me singing that ditty but Delilah was impressive yesterday.
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Post by thehoof on Jan 18, 2016 10:50:08 GMT
And what some of our "precious" fans don't get into their Neanderthal craniums is that the pen is indeed mightier than the sword. Whatever the Arsenal fan's & Wenger's abuse of Shawcross, he rises above it and does not need us to fight the battle for him.All that the frankly moronic chanting did was give Wenger and the press the chance to say, "look at the classless Stokies" and that is what is remembered, because guess what, none of us have access to the same media mouthpieces that Wenger and Arsenal have. Pages upon pages on this website saying "Arsenal can't let it drop", and yet on national TV, what do you hear?
If you are a neutral, which club do you think is incapable of letting it go? If we think that it's "just a chant", fine, don't get so upset when Wenger says we are a rugby / physical team, or if he rails against Shawcross, because it's just a statement! If anyone thinks that the chant showed our PROUD CLUB up in anything other than a poor light, then you also probably think that The Titanic docked safely in New York. We are never going to see a headline that says Wenger hasn't apologized for his character assassination of Ryan, but everytime we resort to the same lame brained retaliation, rest assured that there will be a mountain of reporting which will show SCFC as the bad guys.
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Post by muglump on Jan 18, 2016 10:50:50 GMT
Jeez although this chant is a little classless it strikes me that football is getting a little precious these days. Personally i find the pieces of shit on things like facebook calling stoke fans all the names under the sun in broken english a great deal more offensive.
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Post by liamo on Jan 18, 2016 10:59:27 GMT
Wenger and Arsenal had every opportunity to kill this off years ago, can anyone name the players that have had their legs broken since by far worse challenges? No? Neither can i but they've happened
It's not completely Arsenals fault, the media are just as cuntish, the days and weeks before they put pictures and articles up about the horror tackle and then have the balls to tell us to let it go in the days after, the song we sung was in bad taste yes but so is creating clickbaity articles about it to fuel the fire in the days before the game
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Post by brixtonpotter on Jan 18, 2016 11:02:47 GMT
We could also kill this off now. Drop the small club attitude. Do you really think the likes of Bojan and Arnie want to play for a club who sings songs like that. Actually, if you were singing it, you're probably thick enough to think they do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 11:04:45 GMT
I find it strange that some of the posters on here who are dismissing the Ramsey chants as a bit of fun, harmless banter, 'he needs to grow some' and the like go absolutely fucking mental at the merest hint that someone may have said something racist even if it's arguable that whatever was said was racist at all.
It seems like some of you have the thickest of skins for any abuse unless it may be racist when you magically turn into offended little flowers.
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Post by liamo on Jan 18, 2016 11:07:22 GMT
We could also kill this off now. Drop the small club attitude. Do you really think the likes of Bojan and Arnie want to play for a club who sings songs like that. Actually, if you were singing it, you're probably thick enough to think they do. Do you think they give a shit as long as they get paid? There's not one recorded case of a player leaving because of a bit of distasteful chanting, compare what Stoke fans sung to some of the sicker chants around and we might as well have been singing the bloody teletubby song, the only reason this has even been mentioned is because of how big and soft the arsenal fanbase is
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Post by silverdollar on Jan 18, 2016 11:08:35 GMT
I'm sorry to say this but it is very hard not to read your comment and form the opinion that you must be an absolute cretin. The reason I have come to this conclusion is that you state that you cannot understand what was wrong with the chanting concerning the Ramsay chant. Just because Ramsay's behaviour towards Shawcross has not been appropriate since his injury doesn't mean it's OK to lower yourself to his standards. Mark Hughes and all the players are working themselves to the bone to raise the profile of Stoke City in a big Worldwide market and when a minority of Neanderthal morons see fit to chant such vile and stupid chants it can only damage our reputation. We need to focus on positive vocal support that makes our own players and team feel inspired. Let's get rid of the foul negative and cheap humour chants. I am disgusted, DISGUSTED that you have referred to a fellow poster as a cretin. You have caused massive offence to all those with the curse of this congenital thyroid deficiency. 'Supporters' like you should be drummed out of the club, reported to the offence police and publicly flayed with the pages of Mao's Little Red Book. FFS. AL,AP,AS. Having read your last post it is clear to see that you are intelligent enough to express yourself quite well and so I assume that with intelligence comes reasoning and therefore you should be able to well understand the damage stupid behaviour does to our team. Yes I do not do myself much credit referring to anyone as a "cretin" but sometimes you have to communicate in a language that they will understand. Ramsay sustained a bad injury six years ago and fortunately he appears to have fully recovered. This whole episode needs burying in the mists of time. I'm sure that Ramsay will benefit from that but more importantly Shawcross will!
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 18, 2016 11:11:01 GMT
We also sang 'If Walcott plays for England so can I".
Horrible, horrible bastards.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 18, 2016 11:12:41 GMT
I think the justification of the chant being that Ramsey didn't accept Ryan's apology is frankly pathetic. It makes us look even bigger babies than the calcium deficient sheep shagger.
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Post by daveandeddy on Jan 18, 2016 11:14:43 GMT
I dont sing this one ........ I dont sing " you're fucking shit " ......... i wasnt really interested in telling Gareth Bale he looked like a chimp !
BUT i also dont give 2 fucks what other supporters OR papers think about Stoke
We have been bad mouthed and disrespected for so long now that i absolutely see this mentality of the media as positive and conducive to creating good noise and atmosphere in general so buy in to those that want to deliver their messages in any way they see fit .... I am no-ones moral guardian but my own
I have no second team .... I fucking hate all sides that come to play us home and away
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Post by liamo on Jan 18, 2016 11:17:33 GMT
I am disgusted, DISGUSTED that you have referred to a fellow poster as a cretin. You have caused massive offence to all those with the curse of this congenital thyroid deficiency. 'Supporters' like you should be drummed out of the club, reported to the offence police and publicly flayed with the pages of Mao's Little Red Book. FFS. AL,AP,AS. Having read your last post it is clear to see that you are intelligent enough to express yourself quite well and so I assume that with intelligence comes reasoning and therefore you should be able to well understand the damage stupid behaviour does to our team. Yes I do not do myself much credit referring to anyone as a "cretin" but sometimes you have to communicate in a language that they will understand. Ramsay sustained a bad injury six years ago and fortunately he appears to have fully recovered. This whole episode needs burying in the mists of time. I'm sure that Ramsay will benefit from that but more importantly Shawcross will! It needed to be buried the season after it happened, Wenger didn't let it go though did he? He took it upon himself to give out snide digs and single handedly dragged Ryan's name through the mud to the point that i believe it had a huge affect on Shawcross not being called up for England more, Do you think that if Stoke fans just let it go now the media would also? Or Arsenal fans and Wenger himself? Not a chance
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Post by silverdollar on Jan 18, 2016 11:53:51 GMT
What you are saying is that Wenger was in the wrong almost immediately after the incident. I would totally agree with you! But you should also agree with me that it is then the wrong behaviour to mirror Wenger's behaviour. Two wrongs do not make a right. This matter would be dead in the water by now if we just sat back and took the morale high ground. Unfortunately we haven't because certain fans continue to prolong the incident and also debase the values of our own club!
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 11:55:16 GMT
OK.... I'm going to spell out a few home truths here.... special snowflakes like thehoof should probably head off and read the Guardian. We can say what we want about Arsenal fans, but I'll tell you one thing they are.... UNITED. They are united in their utter hatred of Stoke City, Stoke City fans, Ryan Shawcross and anything else associated with our football club. When it comes to matchday, if Stoke City are the opposition, then anything goes. Comments about 'kicking' pregnant women are acceptable, utterly despicable remarks about Stoke fans are acceptable, and calls for Ryan Shawcross to be dead are not only acceptable, but are encouraged. They are completely united in their hatred of Stoke City, and for that alone, they are one upping us here. Ryan Shawcross is a family man, a married man, he has children. He once made a mistake in a football match, a mistake that has followed him around for 6 years and for that single mistake, Arsenal fans will happily chant "Ryan Shawcross, we wish you were dead" along with various other awful awful chants. This a man with children. They really want his kids to grow up without a daddy? They want his wife to be left widowed, all because he once made the mistake of injuring one of their special little players (who btw has gone on to be a far better player than before?) As a fanbase, they are totally united in wanting the worst fate to befall Ryan Shawcross, this comment took 5 seconds to find on their forum, I just scrolled back through their current thread: www.goonersworld.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1336954#p1336954Yet OUR supporters are not united at all. Vis Unita Fortior? When fucknuggets like spitthedog are ready to flog our own supporters for, let's be honest, one of the dumbest chants we've ever come up with. Can I remind you, that Aaron Ramsey as a professional athlete, not only runs faster than anyone on this forum, but runs further distance, plays football at a significantly higher level and is no doubt quite capable of walking without a limp. It's a stupid chant and even when taken at face value it's completely pathetic. A broken leg doesn't result in a failure to ever walk again, not that you'd fucking know it if you take the media's view on it. They are quick to tear shreds into our support and for some reason, we have own set of fans hell-bent on destroying this once strong and solid fanbase. Ramsey himself is only partly to blame for his sycophantic actions with regards to the media. He does enjoy bringing it up at every possible opportunity and describing it as the worst thing that could happen to someone on a football pitch. As an educational experience for Aaron, I've got a really good idea. I think Aaron "it's the worst thing that can happy on a football pitch, even though Muamba had a heart attack about two weeks ago" Ramsey should meet a few war vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. Men and women without arms, men and women without legs. People horrifically injured, who will never live a normal life again. He walks with a limp does he? Some of these men can't walk at all, and yet he continues to talk about his injury as some kind of life threatening incident. It wasn't Aaron and if you're so thin skinned that a poxy chant, by people who earn significantly less than you, hurts your feelings that much, maybe you should see the kind of injuries men who are paid significantly less than you, suffer in the line of fire and conflict. Here's another home truth. I spoke of nothing being off limit with Arsenal fans.... and you do realize why? For Stoke fans, seeing Arsenal fuck up and lose the title is probably the line in-which our dislike of Arsenal and their odious fanbase ends. On the other hand, they really would stop at nothing to see us wiped off the face of the earth and I genuinely mean that. This isn't me being all 'victimy' or crybaby, this is simply pointing out a genuine fact. The fact they hate us that much doesn't bother me at all, but at the same time, having our own fans seemingly support Arsenal in this very bitter relationship is not a good thing. To put it into context, it wouldn't surprise me if a petition is started in a few days to see Stoke kicked out of the football league and into oblivion. Now I know such a daft petition is not legally enforceable, but you can be sure that it would be signed by thousands and thousands of Arsenal fans. It demonstrates the contempt they have for us and our fanbase. And the irony of it all? While they're offended by a pathetic and pointless chant aimed at a professional athlete, it's fair game to mock disabled children who support Stoke: www.goonersworld.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1336700#p1336700Not a word condemning those views by the way, it's alright, I've already done the searching through. ........................and yet we have fans like spitthedog who are seemingly on a mission to divide this fanbase. If you want to support Arsenal then by all means, hop in the car and head down to London, you will not be missed.
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 18, 2016 11:56:49 GMT
Wow, this thread plunges the Oakcake into a new low. Arguing with each other over a stupid, but mildly offensive song?
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 18, 2016 12:01:26 GMT
OK.... I'm going to spell out a few home truths here.... special snowflakes like thehoof should probably head off and read the Guardian. We can say what we want about Arsenal fans, but I'll tell you one thing they are.... UNITED. They are united in their utter hatred of Stoke City, Stoke City fans, Ryan Shawcross and anything else associated with our football club. When it comes to matchday, if Stoke City are the opposition, then anything goes. Comments about 'kicking' pregnant women are acceptable, utterly despicable remarks about Stoke fans are acceptable, and calls for Ryan Shawcross to be dead are not only acceptable, but are encouraged. They are completely united in their hatred of Stoke City, and for that alone, they are one upping us here. Ryan Shawcross is a family man, a married man, he has children. He once made a mistake in a football match, a mistake that has followed him around for 6 years and for that single mistake, Arsenal fans will happily chant "Ryan Shawcross, we wish you were dead" along with various other awful awful chants. This a man with children. They really want his kids to grow up without a daddy? They want his wife to be left widowed, all because he once made the mistake of injuring one of their special little players (who btw has gone on to be a far better player than before?) As a fanbase, they are totally united in wanting the worst fate to befall Ryan Shawcross, this comment took 5 seconds to find on their forum, I just scrolled back through their current thread: www.goonersworld.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1336954#p1336954Yet OUR supporters are not united at all. Vis Unita Fortior? When fucknuggets like spitthedog are ready to flog our own supporters for, let's be honest, one of the dumbest chants we've ever come up with. Can I remind you, that Aaron Ramsey as a professional athlete, not only runs faster than anyone on this forum, but runs further distance, plays football at a significantly higher level and is no doubt quite capable of walking without a limp. It's a stupid chant and even when taken at face value it's completely pathetic. A broken leg doesn't result in a failure to ever walk again, not that you'd fucking know it if you take the media's view on it. They are quick to tear shreds into our support and for some reason, we have own set of fans hell-bent on destroying this once strong and solid fanbase. Ramsey himself is only partly to blame for his sycophantic actions with regards to the media. He does enjoy bringing it up at every possible opportunity and describing it as the worst thing that could happen to someone on a football pitch. As an educational experience for Aaron, I've got a really good idea. I think Aaron "it's the worst thing that can happy on a football pitch, even though Muamba had a heart attack about two weeks ago" Ramsey should meet a few war vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. Men and women without arms, men and women without legs. People horrifically injured, who will never live a normal life again. He walks with a limp does he? Some of these men can't walk at all, and yet he continues to talk about his injury as some kind of life threatening incident. It wasn't Aaron and if you're so thin skinned that a poxy chant, by people who earn significantly less than you, hurts your feelings that much, maybe you should see the kind of injuries men who are paid significantly less than you, suffer in the line of fire and conflict. Here's another home truth. I spoke of nothing being off limit with Arsenal fans.... and you do realize why? For Stoke fans, seeing Arsenal fuck up and lose the title is probably the line in-which our dislike of Arsenal and their odious fanbase ends. On the other hand, they really would stop at nothing to see us wiped off the face of the earth and I genuinely mean that. This isn't me being all 'victimy' or crybaby, this is simply pointing out a genuine fact. The fact they hate us that much doesn't bother me at all, but at the same time, having our own fans seemingly support Arsenal in this very bitter relationship is not a good thing. To put it into context, it wouldn't surprise me if a petition is started in a few days to see Stoke kicked out of the football league and into oblivion. Now I know such a daft petition is not legally enforceable, but you can be sure that it would be signed by thousands and thousands of Arsenal fans. It demonstrates the contempt they have for us and our fanbase. And the irony of it all? While they're offended by a pathetic and pointless chant aimed at a professional athlete, it's fair game to mock disabled children who support Stoke: www.goonersworld.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1336700#p1336700Not a word condemning those views by the way, it's alright, I've already done the searching through. ........................and yet we have fans like spitthedog who are seemingly on a mission to divide this fanbase. If you want to support Arsenal then by all means, hop in the car and head down to London, you will not be missed. 110% bang on, thank you for writing what I couldn't be bothered to say.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 18, 2016 12:03:32 GMT
Apparently, Piers Morgan was offended by it so it's fine by me.
Hope Ramsey never does a Vinnie Jones and take up acting- you couldn't say "Break a leg" to him.
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