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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 18, 2016 8:22:59 GMT
Staffs.
That link from the telegraph above was published before the game. Its no wonder that there's the animosity there.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 18, 2016 8:26:44 GMT
Staffs. That link from the telegraph above was published before the game. Its no wonder that there's the animosity there. Like the bloke on the talk sport clip says "anti stokies"
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 8:27:23 GMT
Ok so firstly, Ramsey is a multi millionaire. He earns in a week more than most of us earn in a year. Scratch that, 5 or 6 years. Who the fuck gives a shit about stereotypes? Arsenal fans will say the sister shagging, inbred, northern rubbish whether we abuse him or not. I really couldn't give a fuck anymore. We're wife beating povs from the North and they're raging homosexuals from the south. The only difference is we don't have this massive victim routine going on.
Secondly, Arsenal fans routinely chant "Ryan Shawcross, we wish you were dead" to the sloop John, yet THEY'RE taking the moral high ground? Sorry, but fuck off. Why the fuck should we feel sympathetic for their player while they abuse ours? How about some of you start defending our players rather than taking aim. I have no sympathy for Ramsey because until they cut out that crap, I don't see why Stoke fans shouldn't abuse their players. They're fucking hypocrites although no surprise, they've had Wenger for fucking ages.
Thirdly, perhaps Arsenal players wouldn't receive such hostility, if they could cut the fucking diving out. How often did we say "fucking Giroud dives again". For a big tough striker he doesn't half go down easily. The moments preceding the chant involved Ramsey harassing the ref then going down like he'd been shot.
Some of our fans need to take a long hard look at themselves. Seem to enjoy taking aim at fellow Stoke fans.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 18, 2016 8:33:06 GMT
Ok so firstly, Ramsey is a multi millionaire. He earns in a week more than most of us earn in a year. Scratch that, 5 or 6 years. Who the fuck gives a shit about stereotypes? Arsenal fans will say the sister shagging, inbred, northern rubbish whether we abuse him or not. I really couldn't give a fuck anymore. We're wife beating povs from the North and they're raging homosexuals from the south. The only difference is we don't have this massive victim routine going on. Secondly, Arsenal fans routinely chant "Ryan Shawcross, we wish you were dead" to the sloop John, yet THEY'RE taking the moral high ground? Sorry, but fuck off. Why the fuck should we feel sympathetic for their player while they abuse ours? How about some of you start defending our players rather than taking aim. I have no sympathy for Ramsey because until they cut out that crap, I don't see why Stoke fans shouldn't abuse their players. They're fucking hypocrites although no surprise, they've had Wenger for fucking ages. Thirdly, perhaps Arsenal players wouldn't receive such hostility, if they could cut the fucking diving out. How often did we say "fucking Giroud dives again". For a big tough striker he doesn't half go down easily. The moments preceding the chant involved Ramsey harassing the ref then going down like he'd been shot. Some of our fans need to take a long hard look at themselves. Seem to enjoy taking aim at fellow Stoke fans. Spot on. There are too many Stoke fans sticking up for those fuckers. Maybe they don't know their history ? Maybe they don't actually watch games and maybe they don't really give a shit about the club. Get off your moral high horses and learn the facts... And then come back & we can chat about it.
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2016 8:37:21 GMT
Anyone stop to think what our Peter Coates would have thought when he heard that chant in the Directors box? Anyone stop to think what Shawcross thought when he heard it or Glen Whelan, who assisted Ramsay at the time? Utterly cringe worthy and has given the media something to write about. How long will this go on for? Anyone stop to think that maybe we aren't the problem ? Anyone stop to think that the media should stop printing the picture if they don't like us reacting ? Anyone stop to think that Spurs fans hear worse when Arsenal fans sing about millions of dead Jews ?? Get off your high horse. ......and I've heard some, fortunately not that many, of our idiots hissing at White Hart Lane. Fortunately it was self regulated yesterday with not that many getting involved in another small time shit song which does nothing to help the causes of SCFC.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 18, 2016 8:37:42 GMT
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Jan 18, 2016 8:38:22 GMT
Is it the same poor Arsenal fans bleating that sing about a former players father washing elephants (he's African if you hadn't guessed)? The same fans that imitate the hissing off as chambers when they play Spurs?
People in glass houses.......
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 18, 2016 8:39:10 GMT
The only point I would raise is the fact that all those condoning it would most likely be raging if the shoe was on the other foot. I loathe Arsenal, but jesus christ, some people don't half give them ammunition to spout complete nonsense. I would have no problem with opposition fans singing anything at our players..tactless chants have a place at footy matches. It is a football match. Our job is to create an atmosphere..a hostile,intimidating atmosphere that helps our team to win the game. It is not the United Nations General Assembly. Spot on some of the pseudo-intellectualising on here of culture, media, role models is bonkers. Its a game of football with fans trying to inspire their team and put the opposition off. The people writing of outrage are living in another fantasy world where it is sunny every day, people don't swear at work, there is no corrupt behaviour in financial markets etc etc. Its nonsense and has no effect on anything, certainly not on our prospects on the pitch
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 18, 2016 8:41:12 GMT
Ok so firstly, Ramsey is a multi millionaire. He earns in a week more than most of us earn in a year. Scratch that, 5 or 6 years. Who the fuck gives a shit about stereotypes? Arsenal fans will say the sister shagging, inbred, northern rubbish whether we abuse him or not. I really couldn't give a fuck anymore. We're wife beating povs from the North and they're raging homosexuals from the south. The only difference is we don't have this massive victim routine going on. Secondly, Arsenal fans routinely chant "Ryan Shawcross, we wish you were dead" to the sloop John, yet THEY'RE taking the moral high ground? Sorry, but fuck off. Why the fuck should we feel sympathetic for their player while they abuse ours? How about some of you start defending our players rather than taking aim. I have no sympathy for Ramsey because until they cut out that crap, I don't see why Stoke fans shouldn't abuse their players. They're fucking hypocrites although no surprise, they've had Wenger for fucking ages. Thirdly, perhaps Arsenal players wouldn't receive such hostility, if they could cut the fucking diving out. How often did we say "fucking Giroud dives again". For a big tough striker he doesn't half go down easily. The moments preceding the chant involved Ramsey harassing the ref then going down like he'd been shot. Some of our fans need to take a long hard look at themselves. Seem to enjoy taking aim at fellow Stoke fans. That's just playground mentality. Grow up FFS. "Its them that started it first"!!!!!.....Exactly how old are you??? "The only difference is we don't have this massive victim routine going on." I think you've just proved that this is exactly what we have got. Stoke's massive victim mentality live on TV. The argument that you couldn't give a flying fuck is totally contradictory. If you couldn't give a flying fuck then why respond and react? All the arguments I read on here are....they said this....they said that!!!...so what!!! Always the victims. I'm all for hostile environments, I come home from games with no voice, but there are lines you don't cross at football (i.e. injuries to players) and that in my view is traditional. If others cross it, so be it.
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Post by ted1965 on Jan 18, 2016 8:47:42 GMT
I would first say it’s a football chant I have heard much more offensive things sung both by us and other supporters, its been part of football ever since supporters realized that some players can be distracted or intimidated by personal abuse in chants. I have a few points then I am done. 1, Ramsey suffered a horrific injury, it could have been career ending, it wasn’t He has been successfully playing unhindered for many seasons since it. It was an accident, strange how none of his concerned team mates ran to his aid, no more interested in influencing the referee to get Ryan sent off. Whelan was the one player who tried to comfort Ramsey. Ryan was distraught he looked ashen as he walked off the field, the media response in some quarters was more vitriolic then if he has been outed as a Paedophile. Ramsey chose not accept Ryan’s apology again his choice. 2. The media are constantly bringing up this incident, the first time was understandable now it just shows complete lack of ability to report on a game, I don’t hear commentators or Arsenal media types bringing up other incidents from past games before each meeting. Its designed to unsettle Ryan, it doesn’t work and they get more precious because their attempts to influence the upcoming games at Stoke fail. 3, Piers Morgan, is a lowlife attention seeking moron he loves attention and doesn’t really care about football only Piers Morgan and his self-gratification, its all about look at me, look at me. 4 and finally, Stoke City and Ryan Shawcross have moved on in a wonderful way its time the media did the same. Ramsey still has a very lucrative living doing what he enjoys and nobody died that day despire Wenger taking the limp no pun intended corpses of many Arsenal players to Lourdes after every meeting with Stoke at the Britannia. I personally didn’t sing it, my choice but for god’s sake unpleasant songs at a football match whatever next. I don’t think it will do Stoke any harm whatsoever it will be yesterday’s news by the time we play Leicester.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 8:48:43 GMT
Ok so firstly, Ramsey is a multi millionaire. He earns in a week more than most of us earn in a year. Scratch that, 5 or 6 years. Who the fuck gives a shit about stereotypes? Arsenal fans will say the sister shagging, inbred, northern rubbish whether we abuse him or not. I really couldn't give a fuck anymore. We're wife beating povs from the North and they're raging homosexuals from the south. The only difference is we don't have this massive victim routine going on. Secondly, Arsenal fans routinely chant "Ryan Shawcross, we wish you were dead" to the sloop John, yet THEY'RE taking the moral high ground? Sorry, but fuck off. Why the fuck should we feel sympathetic for their player while they abuse ours? How about some of you start defending our players rather than taking aim. I have no sympathy for Ramsey because until they cut out that crap, I don't see why Stoke fans shouldn't abuse their players. They're fucking hypocrites although no surprise, they've had Wenger for fucking ages. Thirdly, perhaps Arsenal players wouldn't receive such hostility, if they could cut the fucking diving out. How often did we say "fucking Giroud dives again". For a big tough striker he doesn't half go down easily. The moments preceding the chant involved Ramsey harassing the ref then going down like he'd been shot. Some of our fans need to take a long hard look at themselves. Seem to enjoy taking aim at fellow Stoke fans. That's just playground mentality. Grow up FFS. "Its them that started it first"!!!!!.....Exactly how old are you??? "The only difference is we don't have this massive victim routine going on." I think you've just proved that this is exactly what we have got. Stoke's massive victim mentality live on TV. The argument that you couldn't give a flying fuck is totally contradictory. If you couldn't give a flying fuck then why respond and react? All the arguments I read on here are....they said this....they said that!!!...so what!!! Always the victims. Are you for fucking real mate? Do you actually support this club or not? When we're roundly abused from all corners the best thing we can do is give it back. There's nothing wrong with that all. How are we 'the victims' ? We're not crying to the media. I don't get fucking emotional when they accuse me of shagging my sister or beating my partner, yet they DO get emotional when we give a bit back? Playground mentality? Football is like that. They chant something, we chant back. Where do you think the chant "you're not singing anymore" came from? You come off like a sky sports premier league fan, no offence. John Barnes had fucking bananas thrown at him. I'm sorry but you've embarrassed yourself. Taking aim at the people who sit with you and support the same club as you. I thought you were better than that.
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Post by hoopty on Jan 18, 2016 8:50:23 GMT
This walk with a limp thing is neither the biggest thing nor justifies the media coverage.
But I was embarrassed to hear it. I'm a proud Stoke fan but I don't want to be associated with the knuckle-draggers signing it whose justification seems to be: "it's only banter", "it's his fault" or "I can say what I like they can fuck off".
That was the justification for racist chanting back in the day as well.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 18, 2016 8:52:23 GMT
He can't help but stick the knife into Stoke City.... Before then accepting that a point was a great return and they were actually lucky their keeper & Ramsey saved them. Bless.
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Post by lancer on Jan 18, 2016 8:55:51 GMT
Ok so firstly, Ramsey is a multi millionaire. He earns in a week more than most of us earn in a year. Scratch that, 5 or 6 years. Who the fuck gives a shit about stereotypes? Arsenal fans will say the sister shagging, inbred, northern rubbish whether we abuse him or not. I really couldn't give a fuck anymore. We're wife beating povs from the North and they're raging homosexuals from the south. The only difference is we don't have this massive victim routine going on. Secondly, Arsenal fans routinely chant "Ryan Shawcross, we wish you were dead" to the sloop John, yet THEY'RE taking the moral high ground? Sorry, but fuck off. Why the fuck should we feel sympathetic for their player while they abuse ours? How about some of you start defending our players rather than taking aim. I have no sympathy for Ramsey because until they cut out that crap, I don't see why Stoke fans shouldn't abuse their players. They're fucking hypocrites although no surprise, they've had Wenger for fucking ages. Thirdly, perhaps Arsenal players wouldn't receive such hostility, if they could cut the fucking diving out. How often did we say "fucking Giroud dives again". For a big tough striker he doesn't half go down easily. The moments preceding the chant involved Ramsey harassing the ref then going down like he'd been shot. Some of our fans need to take a long hard look at themselves. Seem to enjoy taking aim at fellow Stoke fans. Spot on. There are too many Stoke fans sticking up for those fuckers. Maybe they don't know their history ? Maybe they don't actually watch games and maybe they don't really give a shit about the club. Get off your moral high horses and learn the facts... And then come back & we can chat about it. Only two things to say to you, mate. 1) I have never read such a terrible, harsh, merciless, scathing and unsporting post in my life, and... 2) I agree with every word you say.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 8:56:08 GMT
We can no longer take the moral high ground in this, nor claim that it's only Arsenal who won't let it lie, if we care about that sort of thing - we're all as bad as each other. That chant leaves us wide open. If we say we don't care what people say about us then I think we're lying just a little bit. What continues to amaze me is the one-eyed stance the media have on it all. Arsenal fans can sing the 'wish you were dead' chant to Shawcross, and the 'c**t' chant with impunity. Martin Taylor receives over 80 death threats after the Eduardo tackle. They sing songs about a terrorist attack on the Togo team bus to Adebayor, then there's the Spurs stuff; and they're saints and we're scum.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 18, 2016 8:56:13 GMT
Ok so firstly, Ramsey is a multi millionaire. He earns in a week more than most of us earn in a year. Scratch that, 5 or 6 years. Who the fuck gives a shit about stereotypes? Arsenal fans will say the sister shagging, inbred, northern rubbish whether we abuse him or not. I really couldn't give a fuck anymore. We're wife beating povs from the North and they're raging homosexuals from the south. The only difference is we don't have this massive victim routine going on. Secondly, Arsenal fans routinely chant "Ryan Shawcross, we wish you were dead" to the sloop John, yet THEY'RE taking the moral high ground? Sorry, but fuck off. Why the fuck should we feel sympathetic for their player while they abuse ours? How about some of you start defending our players rather than taking aim. I have no sympathy for Ramsey because until they cut out that crap, I don't see why Stoke fans shouldn't abuse their players. They're fucking hypocrites although no surprise, they've had Wenger for fucking ages. Thirdly, perhaps Arsenal players wouldn't receive such hostility, if they could cut the fucking diving out. How often did we say "fucking Giroud dives again". For a big tough striker he doesn't half go down easily. The moments preceding the chant involved Ramsey harassing the ref then going down like he'd been shot. Some of our fans need to take a long hard look at themselves. Seem to enjoy taking aim at fellow Stoke fans. That's just playground mentality. Grow up FFS. "Its them that started it first"!!!!!.....Exactly how old are you??? "The only difference is we don't have this massive victim routine going on." I think you've just proved that this is exactly what we have got. Stoke's massive victim mentality live on TV. The argument that you couldn't give a flying fuck is totally contradictory. If you couldn't give a flying fuck then why respond and react? All the arguments I read on here are....they said this....they said that!!!...so what!!! Always the victims. I'm all for hostile environments, I come home from games with no voice, but there are lines you don't cross at football (i.e. injuries to players) and that in my view is traditional. If others cross it, so be it. Pffft. Poppycock !!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 18, 2016 8:58:53 GMT
Is it the same poor Arsenal fans bleating that sing about a former players father washing elephants (he's African if you hadn't guessed)? The same fans that imitate the hissing off as chambers when they play Spurs? People in glass houses....... The same fans booing Shawcross as he walked off after the warm up session yesterday. The same fans talking about coming up to Stoke kick pregnant women. But wait.. That's just victim mentality. We shouldn't get angry because the Daily Mail won't like it. And people might criticise us. But we're all thick and don't have the capacity to understand do we? FFS. No passion at football matches. No singing. Because we might upset somebody.
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Post by george2again on Jan 18, 2016 9:01:13 GMT
This would end for all parties if Ramsey belatedly accepted Shawcross aplogy. Sure most Stoke fans would forgive and forget then. Why he the fans,and the rest of the horrible club carry on dragging it up (which is clearly to defect from thier frailities at the Brittania) it will carry on. Come od Aaran it was ages ago a bad timed tackle, no intent it happens in football, move on and accept apology.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 18, 2016 9:02:52 GMT
That's just playground mentality. Grow up FFS. "Its them that started it first"!!!!!.....Exactly how old are you??? "The only difference is we don't have this massive victim routine going on." I think you've just proved that this is exactly what we have got. Stoke's massive victim mentality live on TV. The argument that you couldn't give a flying fuck is totally contradictory. If you couldn't give a flying fuck then why respond and react? All the arguments I read on here are....they said this....they said that!!!...so what!!! Always the victims. Are you for fucking real mate? Do you actually support this club or not? When we're roundly abused from all corners the best thing we can do is give it back. There's nothing wrong with that all. How are we 'the victims' ? We're not crying to the media. I don't get fucking emotional when they accuse me of shagging my sister or beating my partner, yet they DO get emotional when we give a bit back? Playground mentality? Football is like that. They chant something, we chant back. Where do you think the chant "you're not singing anymore" came from? You come off like a sky sports premier league fan, no offence. John Barnes had fucking bananas thrown at him. I'm sorry but you've embarrassed yourself. Taking aim at the people who sit with you and support the same club as you. I thought you were better than that. But you are painting it like its either or. Are you saying Stoke fans weren't being emotional yesterday? Yes of course they were. Are all emotions good? No, they aren't. These are not good for the club, Weve just weeks of receiving positive plaudits for our football on the field, and for work off it. Something that has been commented on here in thousands of posts, that suggests 'we' do care what other people think. What Stoke fans did yesterday was embarrass their own club, that's what I find unacceptable. I'm not interested if others embarrass their own clubs.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 18, 2016 9:08:16 GMT
This would end for all parties if Ramsey belatedly accepted Shawcross aplogy. Sure most Stoke fans would forgive and forget then. Why he the fans,and the rest of the horrible club carry on dragging it up (which is clearly to defect from thier frailities at the Brittania) it will carry on. Come od Aaran it was ages ago a bad timed tackle, no intent it happens in football, move on and accept apology. One of two thing will happen before any of this. 1, pigs will fly. 2, my shit pipe will miraculously heal up. Nice sentiment though, but it won't happen because they want to drag it on & let the London media tell the world that poor old Arsenal are the victims and we're the godless heathens that bully them.
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Post by kevkj on Jan 18, 2016 9:09:05 GMT
I didnt sing it but i chuckled,some need to get a life on here.The spunk trumpet (Ramsey) loves the attention revels in it ,remember when he scored against us ,thats why he sarcastically clapped running over to take the corner hes spiteful and vindictive and deserves everything he gets ,they sing songs about ryan dieing. Arron Ramsey he walks with a limp,fucking diddums
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Post by brixtonpotter on Jan 18, 2016 9:17:09 GMT
One point that I don't think anyone has mentioned is what does it actually achieve singing such a depressing song? I remember fans doing the same to Christiano Ronaldo at the Britannia and he went on to score two and win the game because we got him so fired up. And surprise surprise that Ramsey saved the day yesterday by heading off the line. Stop giving the press the villian vs hero storyline they so crave with your pathetic horrible Stone Island mentality.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Jan 18, 2016 9:21:40 GMT
One point that I don't think anyone has mentioned is what does it actually achieve singing such a depressing song? I remember fans doing the same to Christiano Ronaldo at the Britannia and he went on to score two and win the game because we got him so fired up. And surprise surprise that Ramsey saved the day yesterday by heading off the line. Stop giving the press the villian vs hero storyline they so crave with your pathetic horrible Stone Island mentality. Stone Island mentality? that's a new one, care to elaborate. I know where you're going with this and it's absolute bollocks but share with us what you are insinuating please?
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 18, 2016 9:23:08 GMT
Perpetuating the idea that we actually wanted that Shawcross tackle to be intentional, what is what that chant was all about, does no favours for this club or its fans whatsover.
And the idea that it somehow does more damage to either their player of their club is just deluded.
Its totally self inflicting. Its also very disrespectful to Ryan Shawcross.
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Post by kevkj on Jan 18, 2016 9:25:02 GMT
One point that I don't think anyone has mentioned is what does it actually achieve singing such a depressing song? I remember fans doing the same to Christiano Ronaldo at the Britannia and he went on to score two and win the game because we got him so fired up. And surprise surprise that Ramsey saved the day yesterday by heading off the line. Stop giving the press the villian vs hero storyline they so crave with your pathetic horrible Stone Island mentality. I personally dont wear Stone Island ,but i do remember when footballers got real abuse not like this pisspot gets .Stop feeling guilty or sorry for the horrible geek ,they say much worse about Shawcross and i couldnt give a shit,it actually helped the atmosphere,as i said diddums.
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Post by brixtonpotter on Jan 18, 2016 9:32:18 GMT
Instead of focussing on the 'Stone Island' comment, care to answer my question of what it actually achieves? I don't feel sorry for Ramsey one bit, I'm saying the exact opposite, I think you're helping him play better against us?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 9:48:58 GMT
One point that I don't think anyone has mentioned is what does it actually achieve singing such a depressing song? I remember fans doing the same to Christiano Ronaldo at the Britannia and he went on to score two and win the game because we got him so fired up. And surprise surprise that Ramsey saved the day yesterday by heading off the line. Stop giving the press the villian vs hero storyline they so crave with your pathetic horrible Stone Island mentality. So to clarify he didn't duck on the line and let a goal in because the Stoke fans sang about him walking with a limp?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 9:53:26 GMT
Phew lads. This thread, eh?
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Post by Davef on Jan 18, 2016 9:53:31 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 10:01:28 GMT
Are you for fucking real mate? Do you actually support this club or not? When we're roundly abused from all corners the best thing we can do is give it back. There's nothing wrong with that all. How are we 'the victims' ? We're not crying to the media. I don't get fucking emotional when they accuse me of shagging my sister or beating my partner, yet they DO get emotional when we give a bit back? Playground mentality? Football is like that. They chant something, we chant back. Where do you think the chant "you're not singing anymore" came from? You come off like a sky sports premier league fan, no offence. John Barnes had fucking bananas thrown at him. I'm sorry but you've embarrassed yourself. Taking aim at the people who sit with you and support the same club as you. I thought you were better than that. But you are painting it like its either or. Are you saying Stoke fans weren't being emotional yesterday? Yes of course they were. Are all emotions good? No, they aren't. These are not good for the club, Weve just weeks of receiving positive plaudits for our football on the field, and for work off it. Something that has been commented on here in thousands of posts, that suggests 'we' do care what other people think. What Stoke fans did yesterday was embarrass their own club, that's what I find unacceptable. I'm not interested if others embarrass their own clubs. Emotional words: 'disgusting', 'vile', 'despicable', 'unacceptable', words that Arsenal fans continuously use to describe Stoke and their fans. I don't consider us particularly emotional.... You aside. We're ruthless. I really genuinely don't care if they call me a sister shagging northern pov. It might surprise you, as the special little snowflake that you are, but I've actually been called a whole lot worse. So no, when they rip into me, I don't start crying and moaning on Twitter, phoning in 5 live. However, you cannot seriously expect me not to highlight the abuse we receive when they're getting so emotional. That isn't having a victim complex, that's highlighting hypocrisy in its most basic form.
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