MLS draft

[CalgaryPotter]

Little bit of trivia.

Jack Harrison just got picked number 1 in the MLS draft by Chicago Fire and for those who don't know, he is the son of my friend from Blythe Bridge who could play a bit himself.

Good luck on your journey Jack!!

[CalgaryPotter]

........and immediately traded to New York City.....wtf????

[Kjones9]

Bloody complicated isn't it?

[FullerMagic]

Looks like he's making a bit of a name for himself

[bayernoatcake]

Jul 4, 2016 16:18:47 GMT FullerMagic said:

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Looks like he's making a bit of a name for himself

He played well and his assist was a bloody excellent ball but that article is a bit ott.

[CalgaryPotter]

Yep, that article is madness given the abysmal standard of defending in the MLS.

That said, he's not doing anything wrong up to now. He's notching a few goals and if you think the assist was impressive yesterday, you should look at the back heel he pulled off to put Villa through a few weeks back. That one had Tuncay written all over it

[bayernoatcake]

Jul 4, 2016 17:58:18 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

Yep, that article is madness given the abysmal standard of defending in the MLS.

That said, he's not doing anything wrong up to now. He's notching a few goals and if you think the assist was impressive yesterday, you should look at the back heel he pulled off to put Villa through a few weeks back. That one had Tuncay written all over it

Yeah I was thoroughly impressed with him it has to be said and if he carries it on you can definitely seeing him being shifted to Man City to see if he can cut it over here.

[CalgaryPotter]

Jul 4, 2016 18:31:35 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Jul 4, 2016 17:58:18 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

Yep, that article is madness given the abysmal standard of defending in the MLS.

That said, he's not doing anything wrong up to now. He's notching a few goals and if you think the assist was impressive yesterday, you should look at the back heel he pulled off to put Villa through a few weeks back. That one had Tuncay written all over it

Yeah I was thoroughly impressed with him it has to be said and if he carries it on you can definitely seeing him being shifted to Man City to see if he can cut it over here.

I'll be surprised if he comes back and who would blame him? New York City or the fucking Arndale

He's got a shit load of pace and skill and doesn't look out of place size-wise, but the gulf in class between the MLS and Premier League is huge as you know, especially as regards defending.

Man City are more inclined to use their scouting network to find the likes of that Portuguese 18 year old rather than someone who grew up in their back yard

[bayernoatcake]

Jul 4, 2016 19:11:20 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

Jul 4, 2016 18:31:35 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Yeah I was thoroughly impressed with him it has to be said and if he carries it on you can definitely seeing him being shifted to Man City to see if he can cut it over here.

I'll be surprised if he comes back and who would blame him? New York City or the fucking Arndale

He's got a shit load of pace and skill and doesn't look out of place size-wise, but the gulf in class between the MLS and Premier League is huge as you know, especially as regards defending.

Man City are more inclined to use their scouting network to find the likes of that Portuguese 18 year old rather than someone who grew up in their back yard

Man City own New York FC......

It is but with that link, his age and the fact he does look like a bit of a talent he might be one they actually want to take a closer look at it in the future.

[Deleted]

May I ask how we have missed out on him?

[CalgaryPotter]

Jul 4, 2016 19:50:35 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Jul 4, 2016 19:11:20 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

I'll be surprised if he comes back and who would blame him? New York City or the fucking Arndale

He's got a shit load of pace and skill and doesn't look out of place size-wise, but the gulf in class between the MLS and Premier League is huge as you know, especially as regards defending.

Man City are more inclined to use their scouting network to find the likes of that Portuguese 18 year old rather than someone who grew up in their back yard

Man City own New York FC......

It is but with that link, his age and the fact he does look like a bit of a talent he might be one they actually want to take a closer look at it in the future.

I know they are Man City's affiliate. I suppose given how they pulled off the loan scenario with Lampard there is a chance they could do similar for him to test him out in the Premier league.

He's torn up the US leagues since he was 14yrs when he went over. He was chosen Gatorade 'soccer' player of the year last year for his high school performances which obviously got him noticed for Manhattan Soccer Club which is where NYCFC got involved.

[CalgaryPotter]

Jul 4, 2016 19:52:38 GMT theonlooker said:

May I ask how we have missed out on him?

Grew up in Bolton, played for Bolton and Man Utd academy from when he was about 6 and left for the US when he was 14 years old.

You have to be kicking a ball around on Stoke car park get picked up by us

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Jul 4, 2016 21:05:02 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

Jul 4, 2016 19:52:38 GMT theonlooker said:

May I ask how we have missed out on him?

Grew up in Bolton, played for Bolton and Man Utd academy from when he was about 6 and left for the US when he was 14 years old.

You have to be kicking a ball around on Stoke car park get picked up by us

...and even then we end up with the youth with two left feet and a limp.

Cheers for the info.

[prudhoe]

What the hell is a draft?

[bayernoatcake]

Jul 4, 2016 21:02:53 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

Jul 4, 2016 19:50:35 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Man City own New York FC......

It is but with that link, his age and the fact he does look like a bit of a talent he might be one they actually want to take a closer look at it in the future.

I know they are Man City's affiliate. I suppose given how they pulled off the loan scenario with Lampard there is a chance they could do similar for him to test him out in the Premier league.

He's torn up the US leagues since he was 14yrs when he went over. He was chosen Gatorade 'soccer' player of the year last year for his high school performances which obviously got him noticed for Manhattan Soccer Club which is where NYCFC got involved.

I think part of the reason of the link up is for stuff like this.l

They own an Aussie team too and a few Aussies are turning up in Manchester now.

So if he carries on impressing and Vieira puts in a good word is imagine it's only a matter of time, even if he comes over here to play in their u21 side/in the cups.

[CalgaryPotter]

Jul 4, 2016 21:19:54 GMT prudhoe said:

What the hell is a draft?

North America's answer to gaining sporting parity.

There is an annual draft of players in most NA sports and usually, the teams with the worst records the previous season are given the highest draft picks. This means that over time, the teams that are shit obtain better players thus leading to improvement and parity.

[CalgaryPotter]

Jul 4, 2016 21:23:23 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Jul 4, 2016 21:02:53 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

I know they are Man City's affiliate. I suppose given how they pulled off the loan scenario with Lampard there is a chance they could do similar for him to test him out in the Premier league.

He's torn up the US leagues since he was 14yrs when he went over. He was chosen Gatorade 'soccer' player of the year last year for his high school performances which obviously got him noticed for Manhattan Soccer Club which is where NYCFC got involved.

I think part of the reason of the link up is for stuff like this.l

They own an Aussie team too and a few Aussies are turning up in Manchester now.

So if he carries on impressing and Vieira puts in a good word is imagine it's only a matter of time, even if he comes over here to play in their u21 side/in the cups.

How would that work with the 25 man squad rule or don't U21's figure in that?

[bayernoatcake]

Jul 4, 2016 21:32:10 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

Jul 4, 2016 21:23:23 GMT bayernoatcake said:

I think part of the reason of the link up is for stuff like this.l

They own an Aussie team too and a few Aussies are turning up in Manchester now.

So if he carries on impressing and Vieira puts in a good word is imagine it's only a matter of time, even if he comes over here to play in their u21 side/in the cups.

How would that work with the 25 man squad rule or don't U21's figure in that?

U-21s don't count and he won't have permit issues.

It may not happen for a lot of reasons but it really wouldn't be surprising if he carries this up to see him rock up there.

[Lakeland Potter]

Jul 4, 2016 21:32:10 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

Jul 4, 2016 21:23:23 GMT bayernoatcake said:

I think part of the reason of the link up is for stuff like this.l

They own an Aussie team too and a few Aussies are turning up in Manchester now.

So if he carries on impressing and Vieira puts in a good word is imagine it's only a matter of time, even if he comes over here to play in their u21 side/in the cups.

How would that work with the 25 man squad rule or don't U21's figure in that?

Players under 21 don't get included in the 25 man squad they just step up from the U21s into the first team as and when they are picked. So Ollie Shenton didn't need to be included in our 25 when he made his league debut against Chelsea.

[CalgaryPotter]

Jul 4, 2016 21:58:47 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Jul 4, 2016 21:32:10 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

How would that work with the 25 man squad rule or don't U21's figure in that?

U-21s don't count and he won't have permit issues.

It may not happen for a lot of reasons but it really wouldn't be surprising if he carries this up to see him rock up there.

He's learning his trade from some bloody legends .........Lampard, Pirlo and Villa in the team and Viera as manager.
Hopefully he carries on lighting up Yankee Stadium for the rest of the season.

[prudhoe]

Jul 4, 2016 21:30:52 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

Jul 4, 2016 21:19:54 GMT prudhoe said:

What the hell is a draft?

North America's answer to gaining sporting parity.

There is an annual draft of players in most NA sports and usually, the teams with the worst records the previous season are given the highest draft picks. This means that over time, the teams that are shit obtain better players thus leading to improvement and parity.

So let me get this right. Its basically like picking your teams on the school playgroud then. You shout out a name and they're in your team? Do the players and current clubs get no say over this? So if we had this in England does that mean we could just say to Man City we want Aguero, and he would have to come here?

[bayernoatcake]

Jul 5, 2016 23:14:10 GMT prudhoe said:

Jul 4, 2016 21:30:52 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

North America's answer to gaining sporting parity.

There is an annual draft of players in most NA sports and usually, the teams with the worst records the previous season are given the highest draft picks. This means that over time, the teams that are shit obtain better players thus leading to improvement and parity.

So let me get this right. Its basically like picking your teams on the school playgroud then. You shout out a name and they're in your team? Do the players and current clubs get no say over this? So if we had this in England does that mean we could just say to Man City we want Aguero, and he would have to come here?

No it's done with young players.

So the players that are coming out of college/school.

The weakest teams get a higher pick so can in theory pick the better players.

[kustokie]

Jul 5, 2016 23:34:23 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Jul 5, 2016 23:14:10 GMT prudhoe said:

So let me get this right. Its basically like picking your teams on the school playgroud then. You shout out a name and they're in your team? Do the players and current clubs get no say over this? So if we had this in England does that mean we could just say to Man City we want Aguero, and he would have to come here?

No it's done with young players.

So the players that are coming out of college/school.

The weakest teams get a higher pick so can in theory pick the better players.

Sometimes, when there are new teams added, there's an expansion draft and the new teams get to pick from the other teams as well getting picks in the regular draft.  This makes a big difference in the NBA where there are only 5 players on the court at any one time. So new team (like Oklahoma City) can pick a super star (like Kevin Durrnat) and become #1 overnight.  I believe (but not certain) the teams are actually franchises so the players are under contract with the league not the teams, which gives the commissioner (who is selected by the owners)  a lot of clout. This might be a way to clean up the FA.  I haven't heard of any corruption in the NBA, NHL, MLS, MLB in the 35 years I have been here.  Doesn't mean there isn't any - I am just not aware of it.

[thedeadlyshart]

Jul 6, 2016 0:03:47 GMT kustokie said:

Jul 5, 2016 23:34:23 GMT bayernoatcake said:

No it's done with young players.

So the players that are coming out of college/school.

The weakest teams get a higher pick so can in theory pick the better players.

Sometimes, when there are new teams added, there's an expansion draft and the new teams get to pick from the other teams as well getting picks in the regular draft.  This makes a big difference in the NBA where there are only 5 players on the court at any one time. So new team (like Oklahoma City) can pick a super star (like Kevin Durrnat) and become #1 overnight.  I believe (but not certain) the teams are actually franchises so the players are under contract with the league not the teams, which gives the commissioner (who is selected by the owners)  a lot of clout. This might be a way to clean up the FA.  I haven't heard of any corruption in the NBA, NHL, MLS, MLB in the 35 years I have been here.  Doesn't mean there isn't any - I am just not aware of it.

this is mostly correct, but just to clarify when the expansion drafts happen teams only make some of their players available to be selected by the new teams. And I might add there's plenty of corruption: gambling, PEDs, match fixing, and owners blackmailing cities to publicly fund their privately profited stadiums.

I really wish we had relegation over here. When you are a fan of a team you never should hope they lose, and that tends to be the case quite often over here, especially with the NBA.

[kustokie]

Jul 6, 2016 0:13:15 GMT thedeadlyshart said:

Jul 6, 2016 0:03:47 GMT kustokie said:

Sometimes, when there are new teams added, there's an expansion draft and the new teams get to pick from the other teams as well getting picks in the regular draft.  This makes a big difference in the NBA where there are only 5 players on the court at any one time. So new team (like Oklahoma City) can pick a super star (like Kevin Durrnat) and become #1 overnight.  I believe (but not certain) the teams are actually franchises so the players are under contract with the league not the teams, which gives the commissioner (who is selected by the owners)  a lot of clout. This might be a way to clean up the FA.  I haven't heard of any corruption in the NBA, NHL, MLS, MLB in the 35 years I have been here.  Doesn't mean there isn't any - I am just not aware of it.

this is mostly correct, but just to clarify when the expansion drafts happen teams only make some of their players available to be selected by the new teams. And I might add there's plenty of corruption: gambling, PEDs, match fixing, and owners blackmailing cities to publicly fund their privately profited stadiums.

I really wish we had relegation over here. When you are a fan of a team you never should hope they lose, and that tends to be the case quite often over here, especially with the NBA.

I agree.  I forgot to mention that teams can trade players for other players and/or draft choices.

[CalgaryPotter]

NHL has an expansion draft coming up to accommodate a team in Vegas.

Not 100% how it works but it does seem like current teams may lose some better players against their wishes.

Mind you, Vegas are paying $500m for their franchise so they should get some assistance from the league.

[KevinWhimper]

Forgive my ignorance but what if a player is playing in San Francisco for example, but is then drafted to play in Florida? Does he have absolutely no say in where he goes? Just has to move to the other side of America or he's not allowed to play or whatever?

[thedeadlyshart]

Jul 6, 2016 8:23:48 GMT KevinWhimper said:

Forgive my ignorance but what if a player is playing in San Francisco for example, but is then drafted to play in Florida? Does he have absolutely no say in where he goes? Just has to move to the other side of America or he's not allowed to play or whatever?

The team pays the moving expenses and they will even give players a place to stay.

Some players do refuse to go to a team that they are drafted or traded to, but it is rare as the player is usually notified before either of these things happen and will voice their displeasure before drafted or traded. Some players have no trade clauses in their contract which allows them to veto any move. Kobe Bryant did this when he was drafted. Charlotte wanted him, but he said he would go play in Europe if they drafted him, so they took him but had to immediately trade him to the lakers for Vlade Divac.

But the vast majority of players have to simply bite the bullet and get on with it because the league makes the rules and it's not like an MLB or NFL player can go to a different league.

[CalgaryPotter]

Jul 6, 2016 14:54:29 GMT thedeadlyshart said:

Jul 6, 2016 8:23:48 GMT KevinWhimper said:

Forgive my ignorance but what if a player is playing in San Francisco for example, but is then drafted to play in Florida? Does he have absolutely no say in where he goes? Just has to move to the other side of America or he's not allowed to play or whatever?

The team pays the moving expenses and they will even give players a place to stay.

Some players do refuse to go to a team that they are drafted or traded to, but it is rare as the player is usually notified before either of these things happen and will voice their displeasure before drafted or traded. Some players have no trade clauses in their contract which allows them to veto any move. Kobe Bryant did this when he was drafted. Charlotte wanted him, but he said he would go play in Europe if they drafted him, so they took him but had to immediately trade him to the lakers for Vlade Divac.

But the vast majority of players have to simply bite the bullet and get on with it because the league makes the rules and it's not like an MLB or NFL player can go to a different league.

There are lots of players who use the 'no trade' or limited trade' clauses in the NHL I think. Most of them to avoid being traded to places like Edmonton where you freeze your ass off for 10 months of the year in what isn't the most pleasant of cities. Some also exclude certain teams because state or provincial taxes are sky high too.

[FullerMagic]

Nice....