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MLS draft
Jul 17, 2016 22:13:59 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2016 22:13:59 GMT
Man City loan in January too soon?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2016 22:17:43 GMT
Man City loan in January too soon? Unless he wants to move closer to his birthplace? (do we know if his dad's a Stoke fan?) I wonder if England will call him up to the U21s in the next squad? Notice Larin from Orlando is in the MSL all-star team too!
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MLS draft
Jul 17, 2016 22:22:41 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2016 22:22:41 GMT
Man City loan in January too soon? Unless he wants to move closer to his birthplace? (do we know if his dad's a Stoke fan?) I wonder if England will call him up to the U21s in the next squad? Notice Larin from Orlando is in the MSL all-star team too! Surely Man City have dibs on him? They own New York don't they? Really do think he'll end up there. He's scored loads again, he's a machine at that level. Now he's be an interesting loan for a team in January....
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2016 22:30:50 GMT
Unless he wants to move closer to his birthplace? (do we know if his dad's a Stoke fan?) I wonder if England will call him up to the U21s in the next squad? Notice Larin from Orlando is in the MSL all-star team too! Surely Man City have dibs on him? They own New York don't they? Really do think he'll end up there. He's scored loads again, he's a machine at that level. Now he's be an interesting loan for a team in January.... Hell of a step up to Man City though. A bit of promise is not what they're looking for. If he carries on impressing, teams are going to start getting very interested - especially when he's on $160,000-a-year. He could earn that in 2-3 weeks in the Prem. Still hard to know what kind of level MLS is - but Villa was absolutely raving about him a couple of weeks ago, saying he was a special talent. Larin does look interesting as well. He's only on $170,000-a-year too. Salaries are really going to hold MLS back. Wonder if our "special relationship" gives us any kind of in there?
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MLS draft
Jul 17, 2016 22:42:12 GMT
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Post by warringtonstokie on Jul 17, 2016 22:42:12 GMT
Both Jack Harrison and Cyle Larin look really good prospects from what I've seen, anyone watch them week in week out and know what they're really like?
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MLS draft
Jul 18, 2016 0:20:23 GMT
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jul 18, 2016 0:20:23 GMT
Man City loan in January too soon? Unless he wants to move closer to his birthplace? (do we know if his dad's a Stoke fan?) I wonder if England will call him up to the U21s in the next squad? Notice Larin from Orlando is in the MSL all-star team too! His dad is a Liverpool fan unfortunately, he never grew out of it Nice goal for him today using both feet again and a lot of what looked good about NYCFC today came through him.
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MLS draft
Jul 18, 2016 2:08:30 GMT
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Post by UsAndThem on Jul 18, 2016 2:08:30 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to the people asking questions about the drafts.... The system is totally different in the US. Im pretty sure the draft picks are from College teams (university teams) It's not like a youth player will be playing for Stoke academy from the age of 10 until 16 then suddenly 'drafted' to another team. It's all based around college sport, then when they get to the age of leaving, they are drafted and that's the first time they actually become a professional. It's not like being spotted by stoke academy, going on trial, getting in, then being offered a pro contract by the club you've been playing for. You earn a scholarship with your college (whilst also studying) then scouts spot you playing for your college and bid for you in the draft, which will then earn you a pro contract and that could be anywhere in the US. College sport in the US is huge.
Jack Harrison looks a cut above in the MLS but there's a huge difference in all round quality compared to football in England. I think Man City is a step way to far for him. There's scouts all over the US acting on behalf of English clubs. If he was good enough for a prem or decent championship club, he'd almost certainly be at there by now or at least have been there on trial, especially given the difference in wages. It's not like he's appeared from nowhere. That being said, would be great for a local(ish) lad to make it big time and I'm happy for his dad that he's setting the MLS on fire and making waves in the biggest city in the world. I used to play with his dad too, although he was a veteran and I was a young whipper snapper at the time..
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jul 18, 2016 2:23:26 GMT
Jack won Gatorade player of the year last season and got a generation adidas contract within 6 months of playing Varsity football. He's definitely on a different level to the average MLS player, Adidas already say so.
In terms of being picked up already by English scouts, this is his first season and last year he was playing at a high school in Massachussets. I doubt it's many clubs hunting ground.
Personally, I think the talk of England U21 & Man City is way too early. Let's see how the rest of the season goes.
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MLS draft
Jul 18, 2016 2:33:08 GMT
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Post by UsAndThem on Jul 18, 2016 2:33:08 GMT
Jack won Gatorade player of the year last season and got a generation adidas contract within 6 months of playing Varsity football. He's definitely on a different level to the average MLS player, Adidas already say so. In terms of being picked up already by English scouts, this is his first season and last year he was playing at a high school in Massachussets. I doubt it's many clubs hunting ground. Personally, I think the talk of England U21 & Man City is way too early. Let's see how the rest of the season goes. I see where you're coming from but if he'd played in premier league set ups until the age of 14 and 'chose' to leave, then won the above awards whilst being recognised by Adidas, I'm sure there'd have been ears to the ground in England and he would have been watched. We will see. Personally, he's got the best of everything. Playing and training with the likes of Pirlo, Lampard (as much as I dislike him, one of the best of my generation) Villa and Viera, whilst living in arguably the best city in the world and earning a shit load for a lad his age. Best of luck to him. He's got the world st his feet. I'd give my left bollock to be in his (Adidas sponsored) boots
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Jul 18, 2016 2:40:11 GMT
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jul 18, 2016 2:40:11 GMT
Jack won Gatorade player of the year last season and got a generation adidas contract within 6 months of playing Varsity football. He's definitely on a different level to the average MLS player, Adidas already say so. In terms of being picked up already by English scouts, this is his first season and last year he was playing at a high school in Massachussets. I doubt it's many clubs hunting ground. Personally, I think the talk of England U21 & Man City is way too early. Let's see how the rest of the season goes. I see where you're coming from but if he'd played in premier league set ups until the age of 14 and 'chose' to leave, then won the above awards whilst being recognised by Adidas, I'm sure there'd have been ears to the ground in England and he would have been watched. We will see. Personally, he's got the best of everything. Playing and training with the likes of Pirlo, Lampard (as much as I dislike him, one of the best of my generation) Villa and Viera, whilst living in arguably the best city in the world and earning a shit load for a lad his age. Best of luck to him. He's got the world st his feet. I'd give my left bollock to be in his (Adidas sponsored) boots I know when he left at 14 it was about getting a decent schooling in case football didn't work out. Smart move. But he also went to a school with a hell of good soccer program. I said before, working with who he is working with and living in New York pisses all over the idea of being a reserve in Manchester in my opinion, let alone a championship backwater.
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MLS draft
Jul 18, 2016 5:20:20 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2016 5:20:20 GMT
Surely Man City have dibs on him? They own New York don't they? Really do think he'll end up there. He's scored loads again, he's a machine at that level. Now he's be an interesting loan for a team in January.... Hell of a step up to Man City though. A bit of promise is not what they're looking for. If he carries on impressing, teams are going to start getting very interested - especially when he's on $160,000-a-year. He could earn that in 2-3 weeks in the Prem. Still hard to know what kind of level MLS is - but Villa was absolutely raving about him a couple of weeks ago, saying he was a special talent. Larin does look interesting as well. He's only on $170,000-a-year too. Salaries are really going to hold MLS back. Wonder if our "special relationship" gives us any kind of in there? I think he'll fit right in tbh. Young, English and home grown. They've already bought over a 25 year old Aussie from Melbourne, I just don't see how Harrison won't end up there if he continues like he is.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 18, 2016 8:47:08 GMT
Hell of a step up to Man City though. A bit of promise is not what they're looking for. If he carries on impressing, teams are going to start getting very interested - especially when he's on $160,000-a-year. He could earn that in 2-3 weeks in the Prem. Still hard to know what kind of level MLS is - but Villa was absolutely raving about him a couple of weeks ago, saying he was a special talent. Larin does look interesting as well. He's only on $170,000-a-year too. Salaries are really going to hold MLS back. Wonder if our "special relationship" gives us any kind of in there? I think he'll fit right in tbh. Young, English and home grown. They've already bought over a 25 year old Aussie from Melbourne, I just don't see how Harrison won't end up there if he continues like he is. We'll see... But if they complete the signings of Leroy Sane and Marlos Moreno, they'll have maybe the best young European and the best young South American player in his position already there, in addition to all their other high-end prospects? Tim Vickery was saying Moreno is reaaaaaaally special. Can't see him being in New York this time next year though. There's too much money sloshing around in England for someone not to take a punt!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2016 9:04:09 GMT
I think he'll fit right in tbh. Young, English and home grown. They've already bought over a 25 year old Aussie from Melbourne, I just don't see how Harrison won't end up there if he continues like he is. We'll see... But if they complete the signings of Leroy Sane and Marlos Moreno, they'll have maybe the best young European and the best young South American player in his position already there, in addition to all their other high-end prospects? Tim Vickery was saying Moreno is reaaaaaaally special. Can't see him being in New York this time next year though. There's too much money sloshing around in England for someone not to take a punt! Oh agreed but they need homegrown players and if he's doing well in the MLS and is already practically owned by them I think he'll end up in their system closer to home. They'd be daft not to move him to the Manchester arm of their empire imo.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 18, 2016 9:21:11 GMT
We'll see... But if they complete the signings of Leroy Sane and Marlos Moreno, they'll have maybe the best young European and the best young South American player in his position already there, in addition to all their other high-end prospects? Tim Vickery was saying Moreno is reaaaaaaally special. Can't see him being in New York this time next year though. There's too much money sloshing around in England for someone not to take a punt! Oh agreed but they need homegrown players and if he's doing well in the MLS and is already practically owned by them I think he'll end up in their system closer to home. They'd be daft not to move him to the Manchester arm of their empire imo. As daft as it seems, would he qualify as home-grown? Don't you need 3 seasons between 15-21 ? He wouldn't seem to fit the criteria! I'm sure they could get him to Manchester if they wanted - but couldn't see him getting any minutes. And would a succession of loans benefit him more? He certainly won't be staying in America on non-franchise player money of £3000-a-week very long... I'm never sure on who actually owns MLS players? Is it the club or the league?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2016 11:22:20 GMT
Oh agreed but they need homegrown players and if he's doing well in the MLS and is already practically owned by them I think he'll end up in their system closer to home. They'd be daft not to move him to the Manchester arm of their empire imo. As daft as it seems, would he qualify as home-grown? Don't you need 3 seasons between 15-21 ? He wouldn't seem to fit the criteria! I'm sure they could get him to Manchester if they wanted - but couldn't see him getting any minutes. And would a succession of loans benefit him more? He certainly won't be staying in America on non-franchise player money of £3000-a-week very long... I'm never sure on who actually owns MLS players? Is it the club or the league? He spent 7 years in Man Yoo's academy apparently! But I'm with you......erm no idea! If you do he wouldn't. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Harrison_(footballer,_born_1996) I think they'd want him playing a better standard ie Championship so I think it would. No idea!
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jul 18, 2016 15:19:16 GMT
As daft as it seems, would he qualify as home-grown? Don't you need 3 seasons between 15-21 ? He wouldn't seem to fit the criteria! I'm sure they could get him to Manchester if they wanted - but couldn't see him getting any minutes. And would a succession of loans benefit him more? He certainly won't be staying in America on non-franchise player money of £3000-a-week very long... I'm never sure on who actually owns MLS players? Is it the club or the league? He spent 7 years in Man Yoo's academy apparently! But I'm with you......erm no idea! If you do he wouldn't. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Harrison_(footballer,_born_1996) I think they'd want him playing a better standard ie Championship so I think it would. No idea! As a UK passport holder I can only assume that he would automatically qualify. I only thought the homegrown test applied where you were a non-UK passport holder? Pretty sure the league own the players because when Cameron came over we paid the MLS a transfer fee not Houston Dynamo. Jack may be slightly different as he signed the Generation Adidas contract which means he has loads of additional benefits, higher salary and a paid University education waiting for him should MLS not work out or he gets injured.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 18, 2016 15:27:29 GMT
He spent 7 years in Man Yoo's academy apparently! But I'm with you......erm no idea! If you do he wouldn't. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Harrison_(footballer,_born_1996) I think they'd want him playing a better standard ie Championship so I think it would. No idea! As a UK passport holder I can only assume that he would automatically qualify. I only thought the homegrown test applied where you were a non-UK passport holder? You'd think so - but it appears not. Looks like a hard and fast 'did they have 3 years training at an English club between 15 and 21' Scots like Charlie Adam and Alan Hutton aren't classed as home grown, and it looks like Owen Hargreaves wasn't.
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