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Post by stokie197 on Dec 27, 2015 18:41:07 GMT
A lad at work who follows burton Albion and he seems too think we have reached our ceiling already, I had to giggle and tell him we are not even close to being the finished article yet and that we are still building but he was not having none of it !!!!  |
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Post by nottspotter on Dec 27, 2015 18:49:09 GMT
He supports burton.. So how he knows or cares how we are doing is immaterial.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Dec 27, 2015 18:50:11 GMT
"Not having none of it".... I really hate double negatives !!!
But no, we've not hit our glass ceiling. Who even knows where that is for us ? As we are, it could be top 7/8 and a cup. If we possessed a couple of lads capable of what Vardy & Mahrez are doing this season then, well, you do the maths.
The lad you spoke to is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 18:50:24 GMT
He may be right. He may also be wrong. Who knows?
It's just good to be around to see what transpires over the coming months and years ahead.
All I know at the present time is I'm enjoying watching Stoke F C play some of the best football I've seen since the early seventies, and long may it continue.
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Post by PottersBrim on Dec 27, 2015 18:51:59 GMT
Well he's not really wrong is he?
In all likelihood it's going to prove very difficult to finish higher than both Manchester clubs, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool on a regular basis. This means we are battling with the rest to be 7th. So maybe we can climb a little higher but not by much and probably not consistently either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 18:55:05 GMT
 I'm a stoke fan. this is all going to go tits up. it always has . I love/hate supporting stoke GD
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 18:56:03 GMT
We are at our glass ceiling. Our club has a stadium that holds 28k.
Top 10 is the limit of our club and ambition. The best we can hope for is a freak run in a cup.
If we want to expand the stadium to around 35k, attract more investment across all levels of the club then our ceiling will increase.
It's not rocket science.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 27, 2015 19:03:09 GMT
We are at our glass ceiling. Our club has a stadium that holds 28k. Top 10 is the limit of our club and ambition. The best we can hope for is a freak run in a cup. If we want to expand the stadium to around 35k, attract more investment across all levels of the club then our ceiling will increase. It's not rocket science. I might have agreed with you until recently but I think Leicester are proving that medium sized clubs don't really have a glass ceiling - in the sense of a ceiling which it is IMPOSSIBLE to break through. That's not to say Leicester WILL win the league, or that we will win the league. But Leicester's results late last season and so far this season show that, although unlikely, it isn't impossible for a well run middle ranking club to win the League. It is unlikely, but it can happen. And if a thing can happen, then sooner or later it probably will. |
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Dec 27, 2015 19:12:48 GMT
We are at our glass ceiling. Our club has a stadium that holds 28k. Top 10 is the limit of our club and ambition. The best we can hope for is a freak run in a cup. If we want to expand the stadium to around 35k, attract more investment across all levels of the club then our ceiling will increase. It's not rocket science. Sorry but I don't agree, putting another 7000 on our gate will make very little difference. Gate receipts are around 10% of our turnover, the majority of the money we spend comes from prize money and TV money. If however our current owners decided to go mad and chuck an extra million in a year and start investing aka Man City, Chelsea then yes of course, we could possible compete for a top 6 place. Personally I wouldn't want that, crazy maybe but we're a club that is run on a sound financial basis and at some point the TV money will dry up, the clubs with massive debt will suffer apart from the ones with very wealthy benefactors. Keep our club in local hands and run like a profitable business and we should be able to maintain top 10 for the foreseeable future with the possibility of picking up the odd cup and playing in Europe. Let's not forget where we were 10 years ago and clubs such as Bolton, Leeds, Wednesday to name a few. Top 10 and signing players we have done in the last 5 years is more than any of us could have dreamed of a short while ago. Let's be realistic and not big time Charlie's. |
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Post by stokie197 on Dec 27, 2015 19:13:14 GMT
He's quite a level headed lad so I respect his views but I too feel we still have more in the tank
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2015 19:26:54 GMT
He's quite a level headed lad so I respect his views but I too feel we still have more in the tank The irony of it is he's a Burton Albion supporter. (they're Derby lite in reality) Talk about pot, kettle and black. If any team is close to its glass ceiling it's Burton. Anyway at least our ceiling's a bit higher. |
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Post by kustokie on Dec 27, 2015 19:30:37 GMT
We are at our glass ceiling. Our club has a stadium that holds 28k. Top 10 is the limit of our club and ambition. The best we can hope for is a freak run in a cup. If we want to expand the stadium to around 35k, attract more investment across all levels of the club then our ceiling will increase. It's not rocket science. There's optimism for you!  |
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Post by kustokie on Dec 27, 2015 19:31:12 GMT
We are at our glass ceiling. Our club has a stadium that holds 28k. Top 10 is the limit of our club and ambition. The best we can hope for is a freak run in a cup. If we want to expand the stadium to around 35k, attract more investment across all levels of the club then our ceiling will increase. It's not rocket science. There's optimism for you! |
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 27, 2015 19:34:05 GMT
The ceiling can move though can't it? Go back a few years and I thought the best we could hope for would be 8th or 9th. Now I think 7th might be possible, and why not a push for 6th next season. History is against us in doing so consistently, but there's no reason why with shrewd management we cannot keep pushing the limits slightly year on year.
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Post by th3oldvic on Dec 27, 2015 19:40:41 GMT
On a year on year basis on average we probably are at the level we will be around 8th to 10th position and after watching the last 30yrs of dire football Im over the moon at that prospect, every now and then though with the right players added and the management and owners being here then anything is possible.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 27, 2015 19:41:37 GMT
Plain & simple sour grapes
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 19:53:15 GMT
So it's biggest stadium wins?
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Post by turtlefox on Dec 27, 2015 20:04:43 GMT
Who knows where our ceiling is. One thing is for sure, season after season in the top flight, we have proved the doubters wrong. I don't ever think we will be thought of as title contenders at the start of a season but we are slowly making people realise that we are not just here to make up the numbers,and the amount of years we have spent in the Prem, without being close to relegation is a credit to our club.
A club pushing for europe every year is well within our reach.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 20:13:03 GMT
I spoke for hours with my Leicester step nephew and we spoke about them , Stoke, Watford and Palace already being winners as none of them look likely to go down and the TV money next year has to be priceless in the future allowing all teams to continue to build.
We have come to a private arrangement (over a few beers and a song) that Leicester can win the league while Stoke get both Cups this season then the opposite next season.
What was apparent was his belief that the so called big four was at an end as most prem teams now have the money to buy quality and are under little pressure to sell.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 27, 2015 20:20:13 GMT
IF, and it's a big if, we can keep hold of 'Mark and the team' and our fantastic current crop of players with a couple of key additions I really think we could do what Leicester have done and more, sky's the limit as far as I'm concerned.
I'll always have the same nagging doubts that GD above harbours, this is Stoke after all, but that just makes it all the more important that we enjoy it whilst we have it.
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Post by arniepieinthesky on Dec 27, 2015 22:08:19 GMT
We probably all though we'd reached our 'ceiling' with Kenwyn Jones 4 years ago - at that time Bojan was mixing it up with Messi and Co....but now he's here....so I guess we were all wrong.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 27, 2015 22:11:38 GMT
Just ask him how Jimmy Floyd is doing.
Oh no wait.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Dec 27, 2015 22:28:22 GMT
As a club we are on the verge of something great in our history. My grandad followed Stoke and Frankie Soo all round the country on his motorbike. He never saw what we have now. The same goes for the lads who supported the wooden spoon Stoke. I was lucky to see Alan Hudson and Jimmy Greenhoff. We have just about got back to that now.
As fans we are the soul of the club and have to drive the club on beyond what the current owners/management envisage. It's our duty.
We need to push the club on to a 36,000/40,000 stadium club within 20 years that can challenge for Europe each season. We need to abandon the idea of mediocre little old Stoke NOW. We can be as great as we like. Only a failure of imagination holds us back.
C'mon Stoke you mighty Potters!
I have partaken of strong liquor.
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Post by thanksjon on Dec 27, 2015 22:28:55 GMT
As the great Yazz said The only way up.
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Post by liamo on Dec 27, 2015 22:30:16 GMT
IMO we're seeing change as a whole in the league and the top 4 isn't as out of reach as some people think, players want to play in the Premier League and they know they're probably not going to get a game at teams like Chelsea or Man City or any of the big boys basically and the talent gap is closing because mid table teams can afford to buy the really talented players that want a shoe in the door
A team like Stoke, gritty and steady at the back, flair and pace up front with passion all through the team can turn the big boys over like we have done recently, for all the money they spend, the really really talented players end up at Barca or Real or Bayern, just look at the Man City CB pairing of Mangala and Otamendi, £64 million and would you swap either of them for Ryan or Wolly?
Over the coming seasons the gap will continue to close, what we need to do is make sure we keep the players we've got now
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 27, 2015 23:05:54 GMT
Glass ceilings are easy to break through.
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 27, 2015 23:09:01 GMT
His opinion is completely irrelevant on a team he doesn't support
Christ sakes, tell him get back to supporting Burton
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 23:21:39 GMT
As a club we are on the verge of something great in our history. My grandad followed Stoke and Frankie Soo all round the country on his motorbike. He never saw what we have now. The same goes for the lads who supported the wooden spoon Stoke. I was lucky to see Alan Hudson and Jimmy Greenhoff. We have just about got back to that now. As fans we are the soul of the club and have to drive the club on beyond what the current owners/management envisage. It's our duty. We need to push the club on to a 36,000/40,000 stadium club within 20 years that can challenge for Europe each season. We need to abandon the idea of mediocre little old Stoke NOW. We can be as great as we like. Only a failure of imagination holds us back. C'mon Stoke you mighty Potters! I have partaken of strong liquor. Love your optimism there Skank. I too remember (just about) watching the likes of Huddy, Greenhoff, Banksy & Co playing for Stoke way back and to be honest I do think that we now have a team that could surpass the accomplishments of that great team of the early seventies. Great time to be a supporter of the mighty Potters, and I for one hope that your vision of our club does materialize over the coming years ahead. Just wish I was 20 years younger to see it all coming to fruition at a younger age.  Have a great Xmas (what's left of it), and go easy on that strong liquor. |
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Post by retired1 on Dec 27, 2015 23:33:18 GMT
Wow, a conversation with a mighty Burton albion fan giving his opinion. Well worth a thread on any forum.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 23:55:05 GMT
So it's biggest stadium wins? Indeed, just look at those big clubs with stadiums more than 7k bigger than the Britannia: Newcastle, Sunderland, Aston Villa, Everton, Leeds, Middlesbrough, Sheffield Wednesday... if only we could compete with them, but alas, we are little old Stoke, better get to that 40 point mark before we start dreaming. |
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I'm a stoke fan. this is all going to go tits up. it always has . I love/hate supporting stoke 
