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Post by potterglen on Dec 19, 2015 17:39:27 GMT
Struggling to score again and we've got two centre forwards - last season's top scorer and a new arrival - kicking their heels on the bench. Why? Not sure we do, however we should perhaps try Diouf instead of Walters.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Dec 19, 2015 17:41:36 GMT
Uncle Peter Santa can we have Charlie Austin before the Semi Final?
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 19, 2015 17:43:21 GMT
But if we play Diouf/Joselu/Walters we don't create as much, it's catch 22.
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Post by mrred on Dec 19, 2015 17:43:40 GMT
Said after 25 minutes that we wouldn't score without a main striker.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 19, 2015 17:44:02 GMT
For me we need to use the squad more depending on who we're playing.
V the top teams 4-3-3 with Bojan, Arni and Shaq with Afellay or Ireland in the midfield 3.
V the lesser teams who are sitting back plat a 4-2-3-1 with Diouf up front and Bojan or Afellay in the hole. I still don't think we've started with Arni, Bojan, Shaq and Diouf yet in one match.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Dec 19, 2015 17:44:14 GMT
Struggling to score again and we've got two centre forwards - last season's top scorer and a new arrival - kicking their heels on the bench. Why? Because they are not likely to look like scoring? Diouf = Gets into great positions, but can't finish unless he has 5 chances. Joselu = Can't get into great positions in the first place. Is that an actual statistic or are you guessing ? Can you give us the figures for the other forwards ?
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Post by steve66 on Dec 19, 2015 17:49:08 GMT
Struggling to score again and we've got two centre forwards - last season's top scorer and a new arrival - kicking their heels on the bench. Why? Did you see us against Man City? Would you ask same question after that performance, today we have played some delightful football and as gutted as I am at losing, overall very pleased with how we performed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 17:54:56 GMT
Struggling to score again and we've got two centre forwards - last season's top scorer and a new arrival - kicking their heels on the bench. Why? Did you see us against Man City? Would you ask same question after that performance, today we have played some delightful football and as gutted as I am at losing, overall very pleased with how we performed. I would. I saw it coming. We don't perform against the big sides like we do against the mid table rivals. It takes a completely different approach and yet they've gone in with a "one tactic will beat everyone" approach. Suddenly one point from our last six available and no goals in open play.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Dec 19, 2015 18:05:29 GMT
Did you see us against Man City? Would you ask same question after that performance, today we have played some delightful football and as gutted as I am at losing, overall very pleased with how we performed. I would. I saw it coming. We don't perform against the big sides like we do against the mid table rivals. It takes a completely different approach and yet they've gone in with a "one tactic will beat everyone" approach. Suddenly one point from our last six available and no goals in open play. No goals from open play? When's the last time we scored from a corner?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 18:07:20 GMT
I would. I saw it coming. We don't perform against the big sides like we do against the mid table rivals. It takes a completely different approach and yet they've gone in with a "one tactic will beat everyone" approach. Suddenly one point from our last six available and no goals in open play. No goals from open play? When's the last time we scored from a corner? Penalty today. Nothing vs West ham. Good question, wasn't it Walters vs Arsenal last season?
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Post by steve66 on Dec 19, 2015 18:09:59 GMT
Did you see us against Man City? Would you ask same question after that performance, today we have played some delightful football and as gutted as I am at losing, overall very pleased with how we performed. I would. I saw it coming. We don't perform against the big sides like we do against the mid table rivals. It takes a completely different approach and yet they've gone in with a "one tactic will beat everyone" approach. Suddenly one point from our last six available and no goals in open play. As someone pointed out above it's all about getting the right balance, for me I would prefer to watch what I've witnessed today by a country mile, we had the best of the chances throughout the game and lost because of poor defending for both their goals. Even with an out and out striker on from the start I don't envisage we would of created more chances.
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Post by philm87 on Dec 19, 2015 18:10:59 GMT
In fairness Bojan is our best finisher. 9 times out of 10 he would have scored today. 99 times out of 100 Lee would not have scored that shot. I still think we need a quality CF and I don't think Bojan in the False 9 is the long term solution to our goalscoring problem, but I think we need a sense of perspective. Today's defeat was just a bit of a fluke, it happens once a season or so.
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Post by adamsson on Dec 19, 2015 18:11:15 GMT
This is exactly how we should play against Manchester United though. But today? No. Against West Ham? No. Stupid fucking shit. Not sure about Manure they might put 10 men behind the ball and try to cling on for a nil nil
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Dec 19, 2015 18:11:14 GMT
Because they are not likely to look like scoring? Diouf = Gets into great positions, but can't finish unless he has 5 chances. Joselu = Can't get into great positions in the first place. Is that an actual statistic or are you guessing ? Can you give us the figures for the other forwards ? Here you go mate, pic shows: 31 shots in 17 games this season, 3 goals. 1 in 10 strike rate. Attachment DeletedThe player I want, Charlie Austin for 2014-2015: Queens Park Rangers goals=18 assists=7 total=25 (Third overall behind Aguero and Kane) Amazed to see he's the forgotten man of English strikers... (source: www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2014-15.html)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 18:13:57 GMT
Is that an actual statistic or are you guessing ? Can you give us the figures for the other forwards ? Here you go mate, pic shows: 31 shots in 17 games this season, 3 goals. 1 in 10 strike rate. View AttachmentThe player I want, Charlie Austin for 2014-2015: Queens Park Rangers goals=18 assists=7 total=25 (Third overall behind Aguero and Kane) Amazed to see he's the forgotten man of English strikers... (source: www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2014-15.html)Austin? Forgotten man? He's mentioned on here multiple times every day fans are obsessed with him.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 19, 2015 18:17:42 GMT
Are there any informed opinions out there about Austin, or is it all just 'man score goals, me want sign?'
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 19, 2015 18:20:19 GMT
Play Mame in all the games left of this season and Mame will score 10 goals (or close), none of our other players will do that!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 18:21:36 GMT
Thing is our chance creation is improving, especially now that Shaqiri is crossing well. We've got no one in there to attack it though. It's madness.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Dec 19, 2015 18:23:17 GMT
Are there any informed opinions out there about Austin, or is it all just 'man score goals, me want sign?' He scored a lot of goals in 'The Prem' in what was a poor, relegated side and an excellent goal a few days ago.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Dec 19, 2015 18:23:49 GMT
We need to get a striker in ASAP because we havent got anybody who can put the ball in the net consistently enough. Its no good having loads of chances and not putting them away because missed chances dont win games
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 19, 2015 18:27:48 GMT
Are there any informed opinions out there about Austin, or is it all just 'man score goals, me want sign?' He scored a lot of goals in 'The Prem' in what was a poor, relegated side and an excellent goal a few days ago. How come he's been playing in the championship for 18 months? If he's THAT good surely there'd be 16 premier league clubs clamouring for his signature?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 19, 2015 18:30:14 GMT
Are there any informed opinions out there about Austin, or is it all just 'man score goals, me want sign?' He scored a lot of goals in 'The Prem' in what was a poor, relegated side and an excellent goal a few days ago. But do we know why nobody's come in for him? Does he play as a lone striker, can he play that role well? Is his all round game good? Are there injury issues? That's the kind of stuff I'm interested in because if we sign him it'll be at a price that means he'll be playing every week.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Dec 19, 2015 18:34:27 GMT
Are there any informed opinions out there about Austin, or is it all just 'man score goals, me want sign?' Austin stats this season in Championship: Already has 10 goals. Attachment Deleted
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 19, 2015 18:36:22 GMT
Are there any informed opinions out there about Austin, or is it all just 'man score goals, me want sign?' Austin stats this season in Championship: Already has 10 goals. View AttachmentYeah, the point I'm making is there's more to it than 'how many goals has he scored'?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Dec 19, 2015 18:42:37 GMT
Joselu is wank Crouch is done Walters is crap up front Diouf is the only option and he's a mediocre option at best. January can't come soon enough. You're full of shit
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Post by jezzascfc on Dec 19, 2015 18:47:04 GMT
We cannot break down teams who come to the Brit to defend and hit us on the break, especially with no focal point to the attack. I'm not sure what Diouf has done not to come on, let alone start, today.
The false 9 worked like a dream v Man City, as they will come to play. It can work away when the onus on the home team is to come at us. When we are at home v teams who want to shut up shop and hit us hard with pace, what we are doing this season is simply not working. I say give Diouf a run up top, especially at home, and see if he can bag a few.
Strangely, next home game and next away game, we can play on the counter with the false 9, so it may be just the right tactic to use.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Dec 19, 2015 18:48:49 GMT
He scored a lot of goals in 'The Prem' in what was a poor, relegated side and an excellent goal a few days ago. But do we know why nobody's come in for him? Does he play as a lone striker, can he play that role well? Is his all round game good? Are there injury issues? That's the kind of stuff I'm interested in because if we sign him it'll be at a price that means he'll be playing every week. Noones took a punt cos of injury rumours which for some reason wont go away.hes obviously a goalscorer but dont think hed suit us.hes an upgraded peter thorne,weve got better on our books.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Dec 19, 2015 18:49:00 GMT
Austin stats this season in Championship: Already has 10 goals. Yeah, the point I'm making is there's more to it than 'how many goals has he scored'? Yes I see your point, who knows what goes on in footballer's minds? Reports say Austin has pledged his allegiance with QPR this season, see Daily Mail. Delph did that with villa etc. etc. Lots of plausible reasons, could be he got injured and not quite as sharp? He is now looking pretty sharp...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2015 18:50:57 GMT
Well we weren't banging them in when we used one so when we changed to this setup, we looked a 100 times more threatening and scored 2 vs Man City. The problem with this setup is it doesn't break down defensive teams very well but works better vs the teams who come to take us on. I think that's the issue. It worked once and everyone got carried away. We can beat big sides, False 9 or not, but we struggle against mid table rivals. Let's actually address that problem.
Doesn't that work both ways though Jase ... ie, you're getting carried away because it hasn't worked for, erm ... two games?
And what is the definition of 'worked'?
We were devastating against Citeh, and we created a ton of chances against West Ham and Palace but it really is fine margins, if we'd won either or even both of those games, there wouldn't be one single pundit who would have suggested that the result had been a travesty ... (very) fine margins in both games.
Personally, I love the formation and (especially) the false number nine, I think it can work against all types of opposition in various situations and certainly needs to be given at least some time (when you consider the opportunities we have created since adopting it) before being dismissed (even against middle or lower ranking oppositon).
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Post by thestokielad on Dec 19, 2015 18:51:13 GMT
We missed diouf today we needed him in the box, everytime we got in a cross in today there was no one to finish it especially in the first half. Most of our crosses were wank anyway
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