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Post by gingerninja on Dec 15, 2015 22:34:45 GMT
Makes no sense whatever. Even our lack of goals apart we are currently over stocked in that dept. Even if and it's a big if Crouch were to depart surely Joselu would be the heir apparent?. I still see Diouf as the no 1 choice so where would a new striker fit in?
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Post by Gods on Dec 15, 2015 22:46:49 GMT
I don't think anyone is doubting there are plenty of warm bodies we can throw at the job, it's more a case of whether they are the right ones. Charlie Austin anyone?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2015 22:48:14 GMT
I don't think anyone is doubting there are plenty of warm bodies we can throw at the job, it's more a case of whether they are the right ones. Charlie Austin anyone? 4 of the 5 (not including Bojan) have signed a new contract in the past 4 months. The other one is probably one of our biggest earners. What gives? |
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 15, 2015 22:55:30 GMT
I'd let crouch and wingie go
Charlie Austin would be a most welcome addition up front
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Post by alansuddick on Dec 15, 2015 22:55:35 GMT
Dioufs not the answer. He scores about 1 in 5 chances on a good day
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Post by foster on Dec 15, 2015 23:15:31 GMT
Still leaves us 3 strikers if crouch and odem go.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Dec 16, 2015 3:22:59 GMT
Diouf will come good, as will Joselu, Bojan, Affelay, Arnie and Shaq. Yer wunna be able see the pitch for goals come February  |
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 16, 2015 3:43:26 GMT
Dioufs not the answer. He scores about 1 in 5 chances on a good day Last season he scored a goal every 3 games. If you think we can be expecting much more than that from our main striker I don't really think you're in touch with the reality of the league. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 6:08:24 GMT
Dioufs not the answer. He scores about 1 in 5 chances on a good day Last season he scored a goal every 3 games. If you think we can be expecting much more than that from our main striker I don't really think you're in touch with the reality of the league. There are obviously two schools of thought for Diouf. He either misses too many chances (it frustrates me too), or his movement off the ball is so good that he finds himself multiple goalscoring opportunities per game (if he scored them all he'd win the Ballon D'Or) He's a 1 goal in 3 games striker for Stoke to this point, about 1 goal in 2.5 games across his career. We're going to struggle to find a much better return than that as a mid-table counter attacking side. |
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 16, 2015 6:48:24 GMT
I don't think anyone is doubting there are plenty of warm bodies we can throw at the job, it's more a case of whether they are the right ones. Charlie Austin anyone? I think he'll run his contract down at qpr and wait for the biggest club come in for him in the summer, wouldnt be a gamble due to no price tag, i could see any of the top 6/7 going for him. |
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Post by potterglen on Dec 16, 2015 7:42:47 GMT
Last season he scored a goal every 3 games. If you think we can be expecting much more than that from our main striker I don't really think you're in touch with the reality of the league. There are obviously two schools of thought for Diouf. He either misses too many chances (it frustrates me too), or his movement off the ball is so good that he finds himself multiple goalscoring opportunities per game (if he scored them all he'd win the Ballon D'Or) He's a 1 goal in 3 games striker for Stoke to this point, about 1 goal in 2.5 games across his career. We're going to struggle to find a much better return than that as a mid-table counter attacking side. I think we need to give Diouf a bit more time on the pitch before passing judgement, he's had some awful stuff going on in his personal life. Imo we've not seen the best from Diouf up front but we have seen a special character when we played Chewsay in the cup game when he played left back better than the shit bag who got himself sent off. Mame will come good.  *correction* right back |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 16, 2015 7:51:36 GMT
It's not necessarily as simple as 'Austin scores goals so sign him up'. Would he fit our system? Is it the best use of funds when there are sparser areas of the squad?
I'd like to see the system we've been using given a run of games or failing that, getting Diouf back in up front.
The original problem was that we weren't creating the chances. The change of system has changed that. So why not give that a chance? Keep creating chances and the goals will take care of themselves.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 16, 2015 7:57:18 GMT
There are obviously two schools of thought for Diouf. He either misses too many chances (it frustrates me too), or his movement off the ball is so good that he finds himself multiple goalscoring opportunities per game (if he scored them all he'd win the Ballon D'Or) He's a 1 goal in 3 games striker for Stoke to this point, about 1 goal in 2.5 games across his career. We're going to struggle to find a much better return than that as a mid-table counter attacking side. I think we need to give Diouf a bit more time on the pitch before passing judgement, he's had some awful stuff going on in his personal life. Imo we've not seen the best from Diouf up front but we have seen a special character when we played Chewsay in the cup game when he played left back better than the shit bag who got himself sent off. Mame will come good. Do those spectacles you can wear, which make everything seem a mirror image of reality, cost much?  |
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Post by Bombus on Dec 16, 2015 8:11:49 GMT
I don't think anyone is doubting there are plenty of warm bodies we can throw at the job, it's more a case of whether they are the right ones. Charlie Austin anyone? He had some game yesterday. First start in a while as well. |
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 16, 2015 9:20:31 GMT
Buying a 'top class' striker is always a gamble unless you're prepared to pay megamillions on someone like Ronaldo or Messi. I reckon those we've got will come good once the side has settled properly and they become more arrogant and composed in front of goal. The signs are already there, but our players are snatching at good chances rather than taking their time. I see the biggest problem more from having defenders who can't win those arial battles at set pieces, and our midfielders need to get their shooting boots on more often.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 16, 2015 9:21:32 GMT
I don't think anyone is doubting there are plenty of warm bodies we can throw at the job, it's more a case of whether they are the right ones. Charlie Austin anyone? 4 of the 5 (not including Bojan) have signed a new contract in the past 4 months. The other one is probably one of our biggest earners. What gives? That skin on that drum must be wearring thin. |
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 16, 2015 9:29:42 GMT
I don't think anyone is doubting there are plenty of warm bodies we can throw at the job, it's more a case of whether they are the right ones. Charlie Austin anyone? I think he'll run his contract down at qpr and wait for the biggest club come in for him in the summer, wouldnt be a gamble due to no price tag, i could see any of the top 6/7 going for him. Could see him at Spurs as back up to Kane. |
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Post by potterglen on Dec 16, 2015 9:36:37 GMT
I think we need to give Diouf a bit more time on the pitch before passing judgement, he's had some awful stuff going on in his personal life. Imo we've not seen the best from Diouf up front but we have seen a special character when we played Chewsay in the cup game when he played left back better than the shit bag who got himself sent off. Mame will come good. Do those spectacles you can wear, which make everything seem a mirror image of reality, cost much? I am SO going to throw this back at you in February Lakeland, when Mame is in double figures.  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 16, 2015 9:53:44 GMT
4 of the 5 (not including Bojan) have signed a new contract in the past 4 months. The other one is probably one of our biggest earners. What gives? That skin on that drum must be wearring thin. Nobody has a satisfactory answer though. And nobody seems bothered that we're handing out contracts willy nilly and then 4 months later people think we need another player in that position. If it was TP there'd be hell up (even when he was doing well). I just find it amusing there isn't here. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 16, 2015 9:53:59 GMT
Do those spectacles you can wear, which make everything seem a mirror image of reality, cost much? I am SO going to throw this back at you in February Lakeland, when Mame is in double figures. Look at the bit of your post I underlined. Mame played right back NOT left back in extra time. I'm not getting at Mame, I was getting at you! |
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Post by Gods on Dec 16, 2015 11:56:37 GMT
I don't think anyone is doubting there are plenty of warm bodies we can throw at the job, it's more a case of whether they are the right ones. Charlie Austin anyone? 4 of the 5 (not including Bojan) have signed a new contract in the past 4 months. The other one is probably one of our biggest earners. What gives? Yes you make a good point, I suppose its more a case of 'what went by' than 'what gives' when it come to our 30 years plus brigade up front! You could have made a decent case for handing contract extensions to any of our three 30 years + striker club individually, that is Odemwingie, Crouch and Walters, but to actually go ahead and do ALL 3 was probably misty eyed nostalgia gone mad in all truth. Oh well, we have Crouch and Walters for another 3 years but I think at least Odemwingie was just a 1 year extension so he will be 'home and hosed' and away come the summer so perhaps there will be some latitude to get a proper striker in then. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 12:14:37 GMT
Voller says Stefan Kiessling is not for sale , so we must be in with a chance for him then as 99% of what is released to the press is smoke and mirrors.
He looks like a direct replacement for Crouch though and not really what I would expect to suit our "new system".
Get the money out and get us this lad Saido Berahino
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Post by musik on Dec 16, 2015 12:16:04 GMT
Makes no sense whatever. Even our lack of goals apart we are currently over stocked in that dept. Even if and it's a big if Crouch were to depart surely Joselu would be the heir apparent?. I still see Diouf as the no 1 choice so where would a new striker fit in? Well for a start Doiuf should have scored twice last time he played. Fact: the club have NO top scorer. If we could choose to loan/buy three new players in the future - I would have taken not one but THREE top scorers. Easily. |
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Post by potterglen on Dec 16, 2015 12:19:34 GMT
I am SO going to throw this back at you in February Lakeland, when Mame is in double figures. Look at the bit of your post I underlined. Mame played right back NOT left back in extra time. I'm not getting at Mame, I was getting at you! Doh, never did grasp the basics - left, right, up, down.  |
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Post by Bick on Dec 16, 2015 12:38:25 GMT
Not sure Austin fits out style.
I'd stick with Diouf.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 16, 2015 13:55:49 GMT
Dioufs not the answer. He scores about 1 in 5 chances on a good day Last season he scored a goal every 3 games. If you think we can be expecting much more than that from our main striker I don't really think you're in touch with the reality of the league. That's about 13 goals in 38 games (give or take) which is not far off the magical 15 a season if you include 2 or 3 from cups. What's everyone expecting - Ronaldo or Suarez? Also we don't make enough chances so it will be slim pickings till start creating chances like we did against Man City. 4 or 5 other players need to chip as well with 10-12 each and we'll be fine. We also need 10-15 a season from set pieces. I am sure Sparky hasn't figured this out and neither have the players lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 15:09:36 GMT
11 goals in 28 league starts for Diouf last season. 3 goals in 7 starts this season. He's played out wide a bit too.
We'll need to pay top whack to get a better return than that.
1 Sergio Aguero Man City 26
2 Harry Kane Tottenham 21
3 Diego Costa Chelsea 20
4 Charlie Austin QPR 18
5 Alexis Sanchez Arsenal 16
6 Olivier Giroud Arsenal 14
Eden Hazard Chelsea 14
Saido Berahino West Brom 14
7 Christian Benteke Aston Villa 13
8 David Silva Man City 12
Wayne Rooney Man United 12
Graziano Pelle Southampton 12
9 Danny Ings Burnley 11
Leonardo Ulloa Leicester City 11
Wilfried Bony Man City 11
Papiss Cisse Newcastle 11
Mame Biram Diouf Stoke City 11
Nacer Chadli Tottenham 11
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Post by roostershair on Dec 16, 2015 15:27:49 GMT
Joselu couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat  |
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Post by Gods on Dec 16, 2015 16:36:27 GMT
Last season he scored a goal every 3 games. If you think we can be expecting much more than that from our main striker I don't really think you're in touch with the reality of the league. That's about 13 goals in 38 games (give or take) which is not far off the magical 15 a season if you include 2 or 3 from cups. What's everyone expecting - Ronaldo or Suarez? Also we don't make enough chances so it will be slim pickings till start creating chances like we did against Man City. 4 or 5 other players need to chip as well with 10-12 each and we'll be fine. We also need 10-15 a season from set pieces. I am sure Sparky hasn't figured this out and neither have the players lol True what you say about set pieces, we seem to get almost zero "scruffy goals" don't we? Most mid and lower table teams seem to get about 50% of their goals that way, its a strange one  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 16, 2015 17:17:20 GMT
Do those spectacles you can wear, which make everything seem a mirror image of reality, cost much? I am SO going to throw this back at you in February Lakeland, when Mame is in double figures. That won't alter the fact that he played right back v Chelsea :-) |
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