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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 1:45:39 GMT
There is of course a third way - not in the Blairite sense either. Namely that the election of Corbyn paves the way for a more conventionally electable leader but one that nonetheless shares the majority of his views. And one who's less compromised by their own rebellious past so is able to sweep out the New Labour rot and provide strong leadership. Up steps Hilary? Once Corbyn has drawn the poison. Hey...How bizarre it would be if Hilary Benn became PM & Hilary Clinton became POTUS. That would make for some great headlines.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 1, 2015 2:24:17 GMT
Up steps Hilary? Once Corbyn has drawn the poison. Hey...How bizarre it would be if Hilary Benn became PM & Hilary Clinton became POTUS. That would make for some great headlines. Hilarious... Possibly
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Post by Gods on Dec 1, 2015 8:12:15 GMT
I did read something along these lines a few weeks ago (IoS or Observer, I think). A few sources said that Corbyn would come in, shake things up a bit and you'd see an electable leader arrive in 2/3 years ready for the election push. What has concerned me most about the first 12 weeks of the leadership, and makes me agree with the subject of 'The Labour Party is Fucked' is how easy the media have been able to paint Corbyn as a nutcase, not through his politics, but through the privy council and Remembrance Day stuff. The same as Milliband became unelectable because the narrative of hime being 'a bit sounding a bit weird' was bought hook line and sinker by everyone. I disagree that labour will be unelectable though next time around. A lot will happen in the next 4 years that will play into Labour's hands, they aren't making the most of it right now, but there is more than enough time to form a decent opposition. Yup. Get the man on the street wound up about minor irrelevances like Jeremy's bow angle to distract from actual policy. The media moguls and their friends in high places are terrified of Corbyn because on the off-chance he did get elected in 2020, he'd knock them down a peg or two and try to really empower the man on the street. Still, democracy wouldn't be democracy without greed, lies, spin, misrepresentation and rampant corruption, would it? That sounds like us always blaming the ref each time we lose this season
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Post by manmarking on Dec 3, 2015 11:55:40 GMT
Yup. Get the man on the street wound up about minor irrelevances like Jeremy's bow angle to distract from actual policy. The media moguls and their friends in high places are terrified of Corbyn because on the off-chance he did get elected in 2020, he'd knock them down a peg or two and try to really empower the man on the street. Still, democracy wouldn't be democracy without greed, lies, spin, misrepresentation and rampant corruption, would it? That sounds like us always blaming the ref each time we lose this season it's a bit different in that we get our information on the game from a source that's independent of the ref. If all we had to go on was the ref's report, we'd have far fewer reasons to moan.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 3, 2015 12:20:59 GMT
Ken Livingstone basically calling for local parties to put a candidate up against MP that voted in favour of the bombing.
Dianne Abbott blaming the right wing media for the vote for airstrikes.
I am now tending to agree with the thread title.
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Post by desman2 on Dec 3, 2015 12:22:20 GMT
Only one Local MP voted for. The bird in Stoke North
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 3, 2015 12:28:31 GMT
Only one Local MP voted for. The bird in Stoke North Incorrect, Smeeth and Hunt voted for, Flello and Farrelly against.
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Post by desman2 on Dec 3, 2015 12:46:29 GMT
Only one Local MP voted for. The bird in Stoke North Incorrect, Smeeth and Hunt voted for, Flello and Farrelly against. True Huddy. I stand corrected
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 3, 2015 13:04:48 GMT
Incorrect, Smeeth and Hunt voted for, Flello and Farrelly against. True Huddy. I stand corrected No worries mate.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Dec 4, 2015 19:00:08 GMT
It is obviously not
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Post by salopstick on Dec 4, 2015 19:09:45 GMT
One swallow
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 4, 2015 19:25:33 GMT
Was thinking the same thing. Was the victory because of Corbyn or in spite of him. I'm inclined to think the former. Interesting that having avoided the place he was up there pronto to claim credit. Fair enough. He's had old amount of shit to swallow, so a moment in the sun needs to be enjoyed (and exploited). But us if a bright new dawn, of is that sun shining through a crack in the clouds. Time will tell.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 4, 2015 19:37:13 GMT
By the look of it if the next general election is decided by postal votes the marx brothers may well be in charge of the next government .
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Post by salopstick on Dec 4, 2015 20:42:28 GMT
Was thinking the same thing. Was the victory because of Corbyn or in spite of him. I'm inclined to think the former. Interesting that having avoided the place he was up there pronto to claim credit. Fair enough. He's had old amount of shit to swallow, so a moment in the sun needs to be enjoyed (and exploited). But us if a bright new dawn, of is that sun shining through a crack in the clouds. Time will tell. This by-election was 100% nothing to do with Corbyn. Labour would win this seat regardless. If there was a by-election in Stoke next Thursday they would still weigh the labour vote
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 4, 2015 22:19:05 GMT
Anybody that thinks bombing Syria is going to work is a joke given that there are at least 81 different factions inside the country jockeying for position. Anyone who believes they understand the whole picture as to what we can gain from bombing Syria is a joke. The whole picture including (but not limited to) potential massive intelligence gathering opportunities is not fully understood by mere civilians. Bombing these sub-human turds is the small key that opens a large door that will eventually assist in keeping us all relatively safe. Don't believe the hippy, weed smoking, pacifist, fuck-tards that pollute our great country and ultimately have no plan B. Jeremy Corbyn is certainly included within that group.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 4, 2015 22:30:48 GMT
Was thinking the same thing. Was the victory because of Corbyn or in spite of him. I'm inclined to think the former. Interesting that having avoided the place he was up there pronto to claim credit. Fair enough. He's had old amount of shit to swallow, so a moment in the sun needs to be enjoyed (and exploited). But us if a bright new dawn, of is that sun shining through a crack in the clouds. Time will tell. This by-election was 100% nothing to do with Corbyn. Labour would win this seat regardless. If there was a by-election in Stoke next Thursday they would still weigh the labour vote Indeed conspicuous by his absence that is until the result was clear, man of principal or opportunistic charlatan riding on the tails of a respected local candidate ? time will tell I suppose, in the mean time he can fill his time riding Diane Abbott.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Dec 4, 2015 23:01:55 GMT
By the look of it if the next general election is decided by postal votes  the marx brothers may well be in charge of the next government . Who are the Marx brothers?
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Post by lastoftheldk on Dec 4, 2015 23:10:01 GMT
Anybody that thinks bombing Syria is going to work is a joke given that there are at least 81 different factions inside the country jockeying for position. Anyone who believes they understand the whole picture as to what we can gain from bombing Syria is a joke. The whole picture including (but not limited to) potential massive intelligence gathering opportunities is not fully understood by mere civilians. Bombing these sub-human turds is the small key that opens a large door that will eventually assist in keeping us all relatively safe. Don't believe the hippy, weed smoking, pacifist, fuck-tards that pollute our great country and ultimately have no plan B. Jeremy Corbyn is certainly included within that group. Mere civilians, what a load of shite
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 23:21:51 GMT
By the look of it if the next general election is decided by postal votes the marx brothers may well be in charge of the next government . Who are the Marx brothers? Attachment DeletedAnybody you recognise ?
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Post by lastoftheldk on Dec 4, 2015 23:30:00 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Dec 4, 2015 23:33:10 GMT
Forgot the smiley face, ,Harry
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 4, 2015 23:40:48 GMT
Anyone who believes they understand the whole picture as to what we can gain from bombing Syria is a joke. The whole picture including (but not limited to) potential massive intelligence gathering opportunities is not fully understood by mere civilians. Bombing these sub-human turds is the small key that opens a large door that will eventually assist in keeping us all relatively safe. Don't believe the hippy, weed smoking, pacifist, fuck-tards that pollute our great country and ultimately have no plan B. Jeremy Corbyn is certainly included within that group. Mere civilians, what a load of shite Thanks for that pearl of wisdom.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Dec 4, 2015 23:55:37 GMT
You mean Larry, Curly and Moe?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 0:06:44 GMT
Well I always liked the Marx Bros .
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Post by desman2 on Dec 5, 2015 0:15:23 GMT
Didnt they get 100% of the postal vote in this election. Seems abit odd when there are a number of parties. Not impossible but highly unusual.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 5, 2015 0:28:00 GMT
Makes for an excellent weekend?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 5, 2015 10:04:15 GMT
Didnt they get 100% of the postal vote in this election. Seems abit odd when there are a number of parties. Not impossible but highly unusual. Sure there is nothing untoward after all this is a party lead by a man of principle, a man of the people, a man who was so desperate he shagged Diane Abbott.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Dec 5, 2015 10:17:57 GMT
It would indeed be "highly unusual" if it were true. It isn't so it isn't. Hope that clears thing up for you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 10:25:06 GMT
Anybody that thinks bombing Syria is going to work is a joke given that there are at least 81 different factions inside the country jockeying for position. Anyone who believes they understand the whole picture as to what we can gain from bombing Syria is a joke. The whole picture including (but not limited to) potential massive intelligence gathering opportunities is not fully understood by mere civilians. Bombing these sub-human turds is the small key that opens a large door that will eventually assist in keeping us all relatively safe. Don't believe the hippy, weed smoking, pacifist, fuck-tards that pollute our great country and ultimately have no plan B. Jeremy Corbyn is certainly included within that group. Totally agree there. I had a similar argument with a pinkie who still thinks the reason Greenham Common closed down was the women protesting against nukes. When I pointed out that a bunch of hairey arsed lesbians sinking "We shall overcome" would never dictate foreign or military policy, and in fact Greenham Common had seved it's purpose and became obsolete due to new technology she slunked off into the night in her dungarees listening to kd lang
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2015 10:46:53 GMT
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