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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 26, 2015 13:10:13 GMT
It was simply a cheaper experience back then. And I guess Stoke were riding the crest of a wave too so everyone wanted a bit of it after the shitty years previously. Some superb away days on that list, some great days out with great mates. I dunno, I've said before that football was simpler and more enjoyable in those days when it wasn't all about money so much.
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 26, 2015 13:14:04 GMT
I was 18/19, had a job, no mortgage, no debt, no kids, girlfriend who didnt want me to clean a house/shop/tidy the garden etc on a weekend, and matchday was just part of the weekend fun that lasted from Thursday to Tuesday...
Petrol was about 45p a litre, so £15-£20 chucked in between me and 4 mates generally got us anywhere! Matchday tickets were anything from £3 (if we could still get away with it) to a max of £10 Beer was about £1.20 a pint
So you could have a great away day, get there, watch a game and drink for £20 if sharing transport
Now, I have 3 kids, and a wife who hates football but understands my passion (so some give and take), and the fact I run kids footy on a Sunday as well means something has to give
My eldest boy is a season ticket holder, I wouldnt go away without him
Transport (free from Stoke, but i would have to get there by driving or taxi so either big cost or no drinking) even using the Knype buses would be £20-£30 for us both before we started, matchday tickets are ridiculous averaging £35-40 (with little discount for Will at 14), beer is £4.50 a pint in grounds, min £3.50 in a pub - my day out at West Brom last season I spent upwards of £150, and Man City nearly £200 (as tickets were stupidly priced) with food/transport/drink/programmes added
Its just not economical unless you are young free and single without obligations (or put up with the grief!), or the missus comes as well
From that season though, what a season - I had an (old) X reg original Vauxhall Astra (nicknamed Ashley), somehow and despite falling to bits it got us to all sorts of games! No maps, no sat navs, just a general idea where we were going
West brom 7500 Yes Vale 7200 Yes Bolton 5610 Yes B,pool 4875 Rotherham 4546 Yes Burnley 4485 Yes (we got an absolute battering there - all 5 of us twatted walking to the ground for no reason than Stoke had smashed up Yates) Orient 3800 Yes Hull 3297 Mansfield 3260 Yes Hudds 3243 Yes Preston 3212 stockport 2900 Yes Chester 2400 wigan 2278 Yes reading 2100 B,mouth 2065 Brighton 1700 Fulham 1300 Hartlepool 1275 Swansea 1200 Yes Bradford 1055 Plymouth 945 Exeter 935
So not bad 11 that season, was similar from about 1991-1995. Good times.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 26, 2015 13:28:30 GMT
I was 18/19, had a job, no mortgage, no debt, no kids, girlfriend who didnt want me to clean a house/shop/tidy the garden etc on a weekend, and matchday was just part of the weekend fun that lasted from Thursday to Tuesday... Petrol was about 45p a litre, so £15-£20 chucked in between me and 4 mates generally got us anywhere! Matchday tickets were anything from £3 (if we could still get away with it) to a max of £10 Beer was about £1.20 a pint So you could have a great away day, get there, watch a game and drink for £20 if sharing transport Now, I have 3 kids, and a wife who hates football but understands my passion (so some give and take), and the fact I run kids footy on a Sunday as well means something has to give My eldest boy is a season ticket holder, I wouldnt go away without him Transport (free from Stoke, but i would have to get there by driving or taxi so either big cost or no drinking) even using the Knype buses would be £20-£30 for us both before we started, matchday tickets are ridiculous averaging £35-40 (with little discount for Will at 14), beer is £4.50 a pint in grounds, min £3.50 in a pub - my day out at West Brom last season I spent upwards of £150, and Man City nearly £200 (as tickets were stupidly priced) with food/transport/drink/programmes added Its just not economical unless you are young free and single without obligations (or put up with the grief!), or the missus comes as well From that season though, what a season - I had an (old) X reg original Vauxhall Astra (nicknamed Ashley), somehow and despite falling to bits it got us to all sorts of games! No maps, no sat navs, just a general idea where we were going West brom 7500 Yes Vale 7200 Yes Bolton 5610 Yes B,pool 4875 Rotherham 4546 Yes Burnley 4485 Yes (we got an absolute battering there - all 5 of us twatted walking to the ground for no reason than Stoke had smashed up Yates) Orient 3800 Yes Hull 3297 Mansfield 3260 Yes Hudds 3243 Yes Preston 3212 stockport 2900 Yes Chester 2400 wigan 2278 Yes reading 2100 B,mouth 2065 Brighton 1700 Fulham 1300 Hartlepool 1275 Swansea 1200 Yes Bradford 1055 Plymouth 945 Exeter 935 So not bad 11 that season, was similar from about 1991-1995. Good times. Same here mate, I was 18/19. Had a job, low pay though. But outgoings were minimal. Board to my parents and Stoke & beer money. I went to 10 of the listed games and bloody loved every single one. Never cost too much. In fact I remember we got into Huddersfield for free !! Happy days.
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 26, 2015 13:32:45 GMT
Was that the year we lost 1-0? Think they scored in the first minute (I missed it - was a midweek game with a mad dash across the M62!)
Might have been the final season at (was it called Leeds Road?) - remember the season(s) after with the Kevin Keen own goal with Muggleton I think mis kicking the backpass - bobbled over his foot at the incomplete at that stage McAlpine Stadium.
Was one of the first 'new' grounds I went to.
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Post by Gods on Nov 26, 2015 14:08:26 GMT
Bit off googling , match would have cost £4-5 and a pint £1.29 no idea how much trains etc were then. So a pint has probably gone up 100% in 23 years but the ticket price has multiplied massively , Coach free ,8 pints at 3 quid and average £35 ticket plus a tenner for food would make todays cost to around £70 1992 would be 8 beers for around a tenner ,4 for your ticket and some food money and coach .Probably £25 quid in total I wonder how that compares with disposable income bewtteen 1992 and now on the average wage in SOT. Using an online inflation calculator spending £25 in 1992 is the "equivalent" of spending £48 today. That "makes the cost" of football by that standard ~46% more expensive today that it was in 1992 (assuming the quoted approx figure of £70). www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.htmlFor an apples with apples comparison you need to certainly compare Championship prices today with those numbers rather than Premier League since we were an Endsleigh League team at the time and arguably seating prices at the time rather than standing. I suspect once you do that and toss in the free travel we now get too the difference is highly marginal. Fact is young men are giving up on football away days in droves and either being replace by a more diverse family unit and to some degree not being replaced at all. I don't think you can blame the cost, it is much more social changes: Lots of other ways of seeing the game, looks too main stream for edgy youth, far more things to do etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 14:38:03 GMT
Bradford was a night match and a sell out. We only had the very small terrace running along the length of the pitch. It was also at the start of the season before we kicked in. We lost 3-1.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Nov 26, 2015 15:15:23 GMT
Looking at those figures doesn't surprise me at all because around that time everyone wanted to go and watch us away.Nowadays people seem to have more choices to spend their cash on and also matches are available for everybody to watch on a stream.I only wish I could go more often that's for sure.Sunderland is another game were for some reason we don't travel in numbers year in year out so much so we had 174 there the other season.Regardless of what people say 1000 to them on Saturday is a poor imo but each to their own in this day and age.
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Post by kernowpotter on Nov 26, 2015 15:19:13 GMT
Remember some of them trips on the football special trains yes it was a lot cheaper then you didn't have to buy your tkts weeks before the game you could be out on Friday night and decided to go the away game the following day
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 26, 2015 15:36:38 GMT
The ticket situation is a great call too Kernow
We used to often just jump in the car on the morning of a game having decided in the pub to go
Now its a military exercise, special points to 'earn' priveldges, all seater so you cant always sit with your mates
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Post by lordb on Nov 26, 2015 15:40:18 GMT
For an apples with apples comparison you need to certainly compare Championship prices today with those numbers rather than Premier League since we were an Endsleigh League team at the time and arguably seating prices at the time rather than standing. I suspect once you do that and toss in the free travel we now get too the difference is highly marginal. Fact is young men are giving up on football away days in droves and either being replace by a more diverse family unit and to some degree not being replaced at all. I don't think you can blame the cost, it is much more social changes: Lots of other ways of seeing the game, far more things to do etc. Even seating prices have increased by a huge %age There is nothing marginal in it It’s absolutely the cost, despite all the changes in my life & the world generally, that means I now go to 2 or 3 away games a season maximum Instead of the 10+ that I would go to (& take at least one of my kids) if the cost wasn’t so obscene. It’s absolutely the cost that is driving young men away from football It’s the same for home games How much is match a day ticket for the Man City game? It’s not going to be £20 is it. In a Premier League that simply has far more money than it knows what to do with (& an insane amount more from next season) its madness for Prem clubs to charge what they do. Prem grounds at £20 a pop could easily attract thousands & thousands more than they do Which of course is exactly what TV wants – big grounds full of noisy (which by & large requires a younger crowd than now) fans.
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Post by kernowpotter on Nov 26, 2015 15:46:07 GMT
The ticket situation is a great call too Kernow We used to often just jump in the car on the morning of a game having decided in the pub to go Now its a military exercise, special points to 'earn' priveldges, all seater so you cant always sit with your mates
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 26, 2015 15:51:21 GMT
Remember some of them trips on the football special trains yes it was a lot cheaper then you didn't have to buy your tkts weeks before the game you could be out on Friday night and decided to go the away game the following day And didn't the ID cards kill this too? As said earlier it would be interesting to know how many away fans we lost to the ID cards and ones who no longer go who made the decision on the day. Anyone remeber the West Brom home match, was it Lou returning? It was chaos trying to get in and lots didn't. Cost is all relative and I think most young uns would find the money if you didn't have to plane ahead reference tickets. A packed care with everyone chipping in is cheaper than any way of getting there, except the free transport, of course.
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Post by Gods on Nov 26, 2015 16:06:50 GMT
For an apples with apples comparison you need to certainly compare Championship prices today with those numbers rather than Premier League since we were an Endsleigh League team at the time and arguably seating prices at the time rather than standing. I suspect once you do that and toss in the free travel we now get too the difference is highly marginal. Fact is young men are giving up on football away days in droves and either being replace by a more diverse family unit and to some degree not being replaced at all. I don't think you can blame the cost, it is much more social changes: Lots of other ways of seeing the game, far more things to do etc. Even seating prices have increased by a huge %age There is nothing marginal in it It’s absolutely the cost, despite all the changes in my life & the world generally, that means I now go to 2 or 3 away games a season maximum Instead of the 10+ that I would go to (& take at least one of my kids) if the cost wasn’t so obscene. It’s absolutely the cost that is driving young men away from football It’s the same for home games
How much is match a day ticket for the Man City game? It’s not going to be £20 is it.
In a Premier League that simply has far more money than it knows what to do with (& an insane amount more from next season) its madness for Prem clubs to charge what they do. Prem grounds at £20 a pop could easily attract thousands & thousands more than they do Which of course is exactly what TV wants – big grounds full of noisy (which by & large requires a younger crowd than now) fans. Well first thing home crowds are up massively since 1992 across all divisions across all teams so I don't see the home game cost argument quite the reverse in fact. I don't know the Man City away cost but I'll hazard a guess at £25. I paid £10 to visit the New Den Millwall in 1992 for a 2nd division game, I just found that ticket, that is £20 in todays money, I don't see those prices being out of kilter given the relative levels of the matches at all. Chuck in the fact that the club will drive you from Stoke to Manchester and back these days gratis then I don't see any huge difference. I honestly think you need to look elsewhere for young men no longer travelling away in the same numbers as then. I am sure it is do with contemporary mores, lots of other ways to watch the match and simply far more competing attractions. The answer lies somewhere in that little lot. That is not to say I am not keen to see lower prices, of course I am!!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 26, 2015 16:14:08 GMT
I suppose we should be glad that travelling to away games is an option. France has just banned all away support during the current crisis. Not enough spare Police to cover matches. Nowhere in Europe seems to have an away fan culture quite like Britain, but still I can imagine this'll have massive repercussions for their football and atmosphere. Let's hope it doesn't get to the point where we feel the need to follow suit.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Nov 26, 2015 16:19:43 GMT
An amazing season to be a 22 year old Stoke fan. Booze, fags, drugs, dodgy tickets, violence and exciting football. That period had everything Don't discount the Vale effect on attendances. We had dropped to our lowest ebb and had suffered ridicule by them and Crewe. The only thing we could be proud of was our size in comparison (that and kicking the shit out of them on a regular basis). It was good to be seen at the match, especially the away days. You would drink in Hanley on a Thursday and Friday night till the early hours, discussing whether to go or not, then make a snap decision that you were all in at 2.30am. Van or train sorted in the morning. You were part of those that stood by the club and I bet there are plenty on here who still tip the nod at people they stood by in those days.
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Post by kernowpotter on Nov 26, 2015 16:20:58 GMT
Was not always a good day out in those days plenty of "banter" between fans had a few close shaves a lot can be said for the new system of tkts but stops a lot of fans traveling when you need points for tkts
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 16:34:46 GMT
Some good piss ups in them away games I was 22 & didn't give a monkeys ass where my next £1 was coming from as long as I went the match on Saturday . Happy days
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Nov 26, 2015 16:38:09 GMT
Some good piss ups in them away games I was 22 & didn't give a monkeys ass where my next £1 was coming from as long as I went the match on Saturday . Happy days Used to drink mild Monday to Wednesday cause it was only 80p a pint, 15p cheaper than Bass.
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Post by njkk on Nov 26, 2015 17:44:31 GMT
I think one of the main factors is ticketing & seating I went to most away games back then, the majority of away ends were terracing you could stand with your mates and most were pay on the day so no jumping through hoops to find seats together, that along with what for many is a seven day working week,its too much like hard work organising an away day that lots can't be bothered & spend their money on beer watching it in a pub or streaming from home
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 17:46:16 GMT
They were simpler times back then. You went to work to buy beer and watch Stoke and that was it. There was nothing else in life for a bloke in his teens and twenties apart from taking the Mrs out.
These younger ones today are sidetracked with Sky tv, modding their corsas, Facebook, Twitter and all the other needless stuff that complicates life.
Work = money = beer + Stoke City. It's a simple equation that all young lads should strive to adhere to !
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Post by no1972 on Nov 26, 2015 17:50:57 GMT
We worked from a earlier age then,and a good weekend was go away get pissed have a punch up go back work Monday and start again.92 was when I was made redundant from the pit the football was a release from work.Today a good weekend for the modern 20-40 is walk around with phone in hand,try and find a stream so they don't have to put there hand in there pocket.But seriousley we didn't have the Internet/sky or mobile phones which all need paying for.So we could only watch our side live and I would not of missed it for a gold pig.
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Post by wagstand on Nov 26, 2015 18:24:02 GMT
Those really were great days. I went to 13 of those away games, I hardly ever go away now because it's just too expensive and a pain in the arse arranging tickets rather than just turning up at the spur of the moment . Remember going to the Blackpool game sitting on a tyre in the back of a mates transit van. Didn't fancy going back in the van and I bumped into another mate who offered me a lift back in his car. Two hours later we were in Bradford having a curry, my Mrs went ape when I got back at 4am. Great times.
The only thing I would say is that supporters from all clubs have the same reasons as us for not travelling ( wives, kids, work , money etc) but many clubs away support is way better than ours. Who knows why?
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 26, 2015 19:01:13 GMT
If we ever drew Vale in the cup I very much doubt we'd get an allocation of 7200.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 19:46:41 GMT
I had one kid and a house to run but deffo had more money to spend, I cant remember which games I went to be honest but I remember a few with Kevkj that year. Cheap tickets, petrol and beer etc plus we had a solid group who went regularly home and away.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 26, 2015 19:48:51 GMT
I cannot understand how we can use cost as an excuse when everyone else is in the same boat.In fact any excuse we use is the same as other teams supporters so that fact alone makes excuses irrelevant.the only excuse what can stand up is that the people of S-O-T are not passionate enough as some other teams in the top division.
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Post by Numismatist on Nov 26, 2015 19:54:04 GMT
Same backstory as many others, 19 at the time and revelled in the chance to travel all over the country. Personal favourites, with an obvious nod to Vale, would be: 1) Bang in line for TGO's thunderbolt at Rotherham, my most memorable Stoke goal, on what appeared to be a dangerously overcrowded terrace 2) Foghorn's late winner against a decent Hartlepool side on the coldest football day in living memory 3) Saturated on the open terrace at Blackpool. Rooster's goal the highlight of a magical day
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Post by no1972 on Nov 26, 2015 19:54:56 GMT
I cannot understand how we can use cost as an excuse when everyone else is in the same boat. I agree with you,some people think because they live in Stoke on Trent they are finacely wore off than every one else in the country,wages may be a little lower but house prices are a lot lower so there's swings and roundabouts.
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Post by knype on Nov 26, 2015 19:56:56 GMT
Was that the year we lost 1-0? Think they scored in the first minute (I missed it - was a midweek game with a mad dash across the M62!) Might have been the final season at (was it called Leeds Road?) - remember the season(s) after with the Kevin Keen own goal with Muggleton I think mis kicking the backpass - bobbled over his foot at the incomplete at that stage McAlpine Stadium. Was one of the first 'new' grounds I went to. Sure it was Prudhoe in goals....
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Post by no1972 on Nov 26, 2015 20:20:30 GMT
Was that the year we lost 1-0? Think they scored in the first minute (I missed it - was a midweek game with a mad dash across the M62!) Might have been the final season at (was it called Leeds Road?) - remember the season(s) after with the Kevin Keen own goal with Muggleton I think mis kicking the backpass - bobbled over his foot at the incomplete at that stage McAlpine Stadium. Was one of the first 'new' grounds I went to. Sure it was Prudhoe in goals.... The Prudhoe game was Boxing Day if my memory is right,there was a lot of snow about but the MacAlpine had under soil heating there was only one end built.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Nov 26, 2015 20:26:05 GMT
Bit off googling , match would have cost £4-5 and a pint £1.29 no idea how much trains etc were then. So a pint has probably gone up 100% in 23 years but the ticket price has multiplied massively , Coach free ,8 pints at 3 quid and average £35 ticket plus a tenner for food would make todays cost to around £70 1992 would be 8 beers for around a tenner ,4 for your ticket and some food money and coach .Probably £25 quid in total I wonder how that compares with disposable income bewtteen 1992 and now on the average wage in SOT. 8 pints and would have slept through the game.
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