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Post by kevkj on Nov 26, 2015 10:07:06 GMT
Been reading how some people think our away followings are poor ,some think average and some think half decent.
Found these facts in a old oatcake fanzine.
I will take you back to 1992-93 season when we got promotion under Lou .some may surprise you ,some not.
West brom 7500
Vale 7200
Bolton 5610
B,pool 4875
Rotherham 4546
Burnley 4485
Orient 3800
Hull 3297
Mansfield 3260
Hudds 3243
Preston 3212
stockport 2900
Chester 2400
wigan 2278
reading 2100
B,mouth 2065
Brighton 1700
Fulham 1300
Hartlepool 1275
Swansea 1200
Bradford 1055
Plymouth 945
Exeter 935
In my view taking over 3000 to 11 away games was very good and the followings above 4000 superb.i don't know why Bradford was so small or Plymouth and Exeter maybe small allocations ,some of the followings around 2500-3000 were definite full allocations at places like Chester,Stockport. All in all our followings back then were superb as home attendances were around 15000. So 30% of our home support travelled away on average. Compare that to now,no wonder the divorce rate was high lol.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 26, 2015 10:09:53 GMT
I think our followings with the increased cost associated, the amount of tossy long journeys and London games involved are very good.
It's a different age now, if we had the chance to take 5,000 to West Brom this season, we'd probably do it too.
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Post by Davef on Nov 26, 2015 10:15:03 GMT
It wasn't £35 to get into a game in 1992.
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Post by Gods on Nov 26, 2015 10:15:44 GMT
Been reading how some people think our away followings are poor ,some think average and some think half decent. Found these facts in a old oatcake fanzine. I will take you back to 1992-93 season when we got promotion under Lou .some may surprise you ,some not. In my view taking over 3000 to 11 away games was very good and the followings above 4000 superb.i don't know why Bradford was so small or Plymouth and Exeter maybe small allocations ,some of the followings around 2500-3000 were definite full allocations at places like Chester,Stockport. All in all our followings back then were superb as home attendances were around 15000. So 30% of our home support travelled away on average. Compare that to now,no wonder the divorce rate was high lol. And we were in the 2nd division and you had to pay for your own travel and it was a time before women and the elderly attended matches in any real numbers. What has happened to the young men of S-O-T ??  |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 26, 2015 10:20:09 GMT
It's a different age now, if we had the chance to take 5,000 to West Brom this season, we'd probably do it too. The last few season when it was £25, deffo. This season when we've gone up to £39, I doubt it. |
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Post by kevkj on Nov 26, 2015 10:20:28 GMT
True gods I attended 13 of those away matches that season and it was a boys day outing that's for sure. Cheap to get in for sure but transport and beer,clothing back then etc all mounted up .but we all did it somehow.
Free transport that I wouldn't dream of using but it helps in the cost.
I do not believe it is all down to cost ,I think men in general have changed particularly the younger breed.
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Post by Gods on Nov 26, 2015 10:21:36 GMT
West brom 7500 Vale 7200 Bolton 5610 B,pool 4875 Rotherham 4546 Burnley 4485 Orient 3800 Hull 3297 Mansfield 3260 Hudds 3243 Preston 3212 stockport 2900 Chester 2400 wigan 2278 reading 2100 B,mouth 2065 Brighton 1700 Fulham 1300 Hartlepool 1275 Swansea 1200 Bradford 1055 Plymouth 945 Exeter 935 Other thing is that is an absolutely belting list of away days! Go to those grounds and stand, or doze off in a padded seat in some far flung corner of the Emirates about a nautical mile away from the action to witness a nailed on defeat while derision is heaped upon you by a bunch of fuckwits to your right? I know which I would prefer. |
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Post by kevkj on Nov 26, 2015 10:23:46 GMT
I wonder what the average entrance cost back then,i conna remember.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 26, 2015 10:24:37 GMT
It's a different age now, if we had the chance to take 5,000 to West Brom this season, we'd probably do it too. The last few season when it was £25, deffo. This season when we've gone up to £39, I doubt it. How fucking much?  |
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Post by Gods on Nov 26, 2015 10:28:07 GMT
True gods I attended 13 of those away matches that season and it was a boys day outing that's for sure. Cheap to get in for sure but transport and beer,clothing back then etc all mounted up .but we all did it somehow. Free transport that I wouldn't dream of using but it helps in the cost. I do not believe it is all down to cost ,I think men in general have changed particularly the younger breed. I don't believe the cost argument either. £25 today was £12.50 in 1992, okay it was probably a bit less than that to get in then but once you chuck in the free travel we have now for anyone crazy enough to use it I'm not sure there is a whole lot in it. Anyway I think the real investment is in your time more than your money. It's a lifestyle change IMHO. I'd give all my tomorrows for a single yesterday as someone once said! |
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 26, 2015 10:32:23 GMT
I wonder what the average entrance cost back then,i conna remember. I remember paying £5 to get into the Boothen on Matchday back in 93/94 that was Child price. |
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Post by kevkj on Nov 26, 2015 10:34:18 GMT
Bit off googling , match would have cost £4-5 and a pint £1.29 no idea how much trains etc were then.
So a pint has probably gone up 100% in 23 years but the ticket price has multiplied massively ,
Coach free ,8 pints at 3 quid and average £35 ticket plus a tenner for food would make todays cost to around £70
1992 would be 8 beers for around a tenner ,4 for your ticket and some food money and coach .Probably £25 quid in total
I wonder how that compares with disposable income bewtteen 1992 and now on the average wage in SOT.
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Post by clarkeda on Nov 26, 2015 10:34:31 GMT
It wasn't £35 to get into a game in 1992. BINGO. We have a winner |
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Post by clarkeda on Nov 26, 2015 10:37:35 GMT
Bit off googling , match would have cost £4-5 and a pint £1.29 no idea how much trains etc were then. So a pint has probably gone up 100% in 23 years but the ticket price has multiplied massively , Coach free ,8 pints at 3 quid and average £35 ticket plus a tenner for food would make todays cost to around £70 1992 would be 8 beers for around a tenner ,4 for your ticket and some food money and coach .Probably £25 quid in total I wonder how that compares with disposable income bewtteen 1992 and now on the average wage in SOT. Great post, I was planning on going to Everton on the 28th. But with the rumour that they are going to be £40+ it starts getting unaffordable. Your talking £150 for a day out, I just simply can't justify that. |
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Post by kevkj on Nov 26, 2015 10:43:11 GMT
Back in 1992 I reckon 75% of the away following would be male 17- 35 so a lot had disposable income .Todays kids pay more for property and all run cars.
They just don't fancy spending so much on a day at the footy.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Nov 26, 2015 10:50:03 GMT
Bit off googling , match would have cost £4-5 and a pint £1.29 no idea how much trains etc were then. So a pint has probably gone up 100% in 23 years but the ticket price has multiplied massively , Coach free ,8 pints at 3 quid and average £35 ticket plus a tenner for food would make todays cost to around £70 1992 would be 8 beers for around a tenner ,4 for your ticket and some food money and coach .Probably £25 quid in total I wonder how that compares with disposable income bewtteen 1992 and now on the average wage in SOT. Lightweight.  |
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Post by mickmills on Nov 26, 2015 10:54:51 GMT
No one's mentioned the impact of the internet and Sky. You've now got wall to wall streams, match choice on sky and as we're in the prem we've got match of the day. It was hard work getting to see the goals back in the day - havign to leave a message with your mother to record the goals at 5:15 and not having an easy way to text or call to remind them...
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Post by mark71 on Nov 26, 2015 10:59:57 GMT
Who says there wasn't free transport back then  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 11:01:47 GMT
Been reading how some people think our away followings are poor ,some think average and some think half decent. Found these facts in a old oatcake fanzine. I will take you back to 1992-93 season when we got promotion under Lou .some may surprise you ,some not. West brom 7500 Vale 7200 - MIDWEEKBolton 5610 - MIDWEEKB,pool 4875 Rotherham 4546 - EASTER MONDAYBurnley 4485 Orient 3800 Hull 3297 Mansfield 3260 Hudds 3243 - MIDWEEKPreston 3212 stockport 2900 Chester 2400 wigan 2278 reading 2100 B,mouth 2065 Brighton 1700 Fulham 1300 - MIDWEEKHartlepool 1275 Swansea 1200 - MIDWEEK Bradford 1055 - MIDWEEKPlymouth 945 Exeter 935 In my view taking over 3000 to 11 away games was very good and the followings above 4000 superb.i don't know why Bradford was so small or Plymouth and Exeter maybe small allocations ,some of the followings around 2500-3000 were definite full allocations at places like Chester,Stockport. All in all our followings back then were superb as home attendances were around 15000. So 30% of our home support travelled away on average. Compare that to now,no wonder the divorce rate was high lol. What a season! Quite a few midweek away games as well making it all the more impressive..... |
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Post by hillbilly on Nov 26, 2015 11:15:51 GMT
I was fortunate to go to all of those games and for me, my favourite period following Stoke there was a real buzz. Back then our group was always two sometimes three carloads meeting up at the same pubs depending which direction we were heading. In the 90's I don't ever recall anybody ever even mentioning the costs, cheaper tickets, cheap petrol, free street parking around most of the grounds, no Residents Only back then, the only stressful bit was getting served in the packed pubs. Now only two of the lads have remained regulars.
Now people tot up the overall costs, ticket, travel (under own steam), food, beer, and programme and it's around the £100 mark for one adult, too much for some.
For me the introduction of the I.D card began the decline in attendances, It had a huge impact on our group. I've never paid to see Stoke away since, there was no way I was getting I.D cards for my lads who I took to all Saturday matches. And once people stop going and get out of the habit few return.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 26, 2015 11:22:07 GMT
The cost. It's as simple as that. I'me surprised anyone feels the need to consider an answer. It's blindingly obvious the cost of going to games is prohibitive.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Nov 26, 2015 11:36:56 GMT
I went to a few of them. I was 19 years old, no kids or responsibilities. Money burning in my pocket. I was living in wolves at the time and I lived for gigs and following stoke. So much has changed for me personally now with a family and stuff to look after. I probably don't do the amount of games in 4 seasons now compared to what I'd do in one back then. One thing for sure, they were wonderful days to be in attendance but don't forget we used to take a lot of support who were looking to get involved in some bother because they was plenty of that too.
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Post by lordb on Nov 26, 2015 11:37:32 GMT
How anyone questions away support for any club when ticket prices are what they are is beyond me.
Amazes me that people can afford to go to away game after away game after game, even with the free travel.
I’ve been all over the country watching Stoke for several decades now
However had ticket prices been as expensive (even taking inflation into account) in decades past then I reckon at least 90% of the away games I did attend back then I simply wouldn’t have been able to afford to go.
I Know Stokes S/T’s are seen as good value but to me that is only in comparison to other English clubs, the reality is football is vastly overpriced in England, match day tickets even more so.
With the Premier League simply swimming in TV & sponsorship money it is obscene that prices are not being slashed.
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Post by bmstoke on Nov 26, 2015 11:40:59 GMT
We took far more to Bradford, we were all in the home end.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 26, 2015 11:49:08 GMT
Are we sure that Mansfield figure is correct? Or it could be the Wiki figure which is wrong (Wouldn't be the first time!) Overall attendance at each game added in brackets. West Brom - 7,500 (29,341) Port Vale - 7,200 (20,373) *Midweek Bolton - 5,610 (19,238) *Midweek Blackpool - 4,875 (8,028) Rotherham - 4,546 (9,021) Burnley - 4,485 (16,667) Leyton Orient - 3,800 (10,798) Hull - 3,297 (9,088) Mansfield - 3,260 (3,426)? Hudderfield - 3,243 (11,089) *Midweek Preston - 3,212 (8,138) Stockport - 2,900 (9,402) Chester - 2,400 (5,237) Wigan - 2,278 (4,775) Reading - 2,100 (7,269) Bournemouth - 2,065 (7,129) Brighton - 1,700 (8,622) Fulham - 1,300 (5,903) *Midweek Hartlepool - 1,275 (4,021) Swansea - 1,200 (8,366) *Midweek Bradford - 1,055 (5,959) *Midweek Plymouth - 945 (8,208) Exeter - 935 (4,106) |
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Post by Gods on Nov 26, 2015 11:49:53 GMT
I just found a couple of my old tickets from around that time: £6.50 Birmingham City Away, St. Andrews, 29 Feb 1992 (Yes THAT game) £10.00 Millwall Away, the New Den, 19 December 1993 (Yes THAT game) Looking at that choice of games I must have been one of our 'top boys' without ever realising it. Well either that or I was pretty good at showing a clean pair of heels I also happened upon this one: £26.00 Autoglass Trophy Final, Stockport County, Wembley Stadium You'd have to roughly double all those numbers for todays prices, Which would have left a few people today muttering "52 quid for fricking Stockport, chuffin'ell" !! |
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Nov 26, 2015 12:08:08 GMT
I just found a couple of my old tickets from around that time: £6.50 Birmingham City Away, St. Andrews, 29 Feb 1992 (Yes THAT game) £10.00 Millwall Away, the New Den, 19 December 1993 (Yes THAT game) Looking at that choice of games I must have been one of our 'top boys' without ever realising it. Well either that or I was pretty good at showing a clean pair of heels I also happened upon this one: £26.00 Autoglass Trophy Final, Stockport County, Wembley Stadium You'd have to roughly double all those numbers for todays prices, Which would have left a few people today muttering "52 quid for fricking Stockport, chuffin'ell" !! Today you could probably buy Stockport for £52......and get change  |
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Post by sage on Nov 26, 2015 12:21:33 GMT
It's not just the cost on the day that's gone up, but all the other costs of living too. If you have a bog-standard job you're lucky to be able to afford anything after paying your rent, let alone the £100+ it can cost for an away day in the Prem.
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Post by paperbaghead on Nov 26, 2015 13:01:02 GMT
Alot of those games would have been on a Saturday with a 3pm kick off, which was convenient for those of us who worked in the usual Monday to Friday jobs, it meant that we'd be able to travel without having to take time off work.
Today it is pretty easy to see the game without having to travel to the match, back in 92/93 the pubs didn't show live football from foreign TV stations and there was no internet streaming of the match.
Think that I went to 17 of those games in the 92/9 season.
Gleghorn 93rd minute winner at Hartlepool December 1992! Superb memories, Steino brace at Rotherham!!
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Post by Widget123 on Nov 26, 2015 13:01:47 GMT
Bit off googling , match would have cost £4-5 and a pint £1.29 no idea how much trains etc were then. So a pint has probably gone up 100% in 23 years but the ticket price has multiplied massively , Coach free ,8 pints at 3 quid and average £35 ticket plus a tenner for food would make todays cost to around £70 1992 would be 8 beers for around a tenner ,4 for your ticket and some food money and coach .Probably £25 quid in total I wonder how that compares with disposable income bewtteen 1992 and now on the average wage in SOT. Using an online inflation calculator spending £25 in 1992 is the "equivalent" of spending £48 today. That "makes the cost" of football by that standard ~46% more expensive today that it was in 1992 (assuming the quoted approx figure of £70). www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html |
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