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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2015 14:24:17 GMT
I hope Russia bomb the Turks in retaliatory, what's fair is fair. We need to ensure the correct facts of the incident are seen first, things like the air traffic control logs, the voice control recordings of the warnings etc. A correct incident management protocol before wanting to blow the shit out of anybody. Who would you want Russia to bomb in Turkey, the military, the president, the civilians?
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 24, 2015 14:28:30 GMT
Well then you’re an idiot because it will lead to WW3. Turkey is a member of NATO and NATO will have to respond to the aggression from Russia. What are you, 5? No need for insults and abuse , I hope Russia bomb Turkey , certainly wouldn't lead to WWIII I unreservedly apologise for calling you an idiot. Your right Russia bombing a NATO, NATO member state would not mean the automatic invoking of Article 5 of the NATO treaty requiring ALL other member states to come to its defence as a collective. So thats OK then.
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Post by Gods on Nov 24, 2015 14:52:47 GMT
Pilots who evacuated shot dead on the ground. This one is not going to have a happy ending
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 24, 2015 14:53:46 GMT
Fuck em off. Said on a thread last week we can no longer trust Muslim faith countries and got slated for it. To all those that slated me, fuck you, I told you so Actually you said "They're nice as pie to your face but out back of the bar they're making a bomb to put on the plane your flying home on", somehow you've managed to surpass this in stupidity (and that's a statement of fact not an insult) levels with this last statement when you consider that pretty much the only people actually fighting ISIS on the ground are the Syrians (in between fighting each other), Syria is of course a predominantly muslim country.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 24, 2015 14:56:24 GMT
There'll be no Turkey this Christmas.
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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2015 15:34:13 GMT
Pilots who evacuated shot dead on the ground. This one is not going to have a happy ending Oh no, that is awful, kick Turkey out of NATO quickly ...
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Post by lordb on Nov 24, 2015 15:48:26 GMT
Turkey is not & has not in any way aligned itself with ISIS Yes you're right. Apart from funding ISIS, bombing the Kurds to stop them cutting off the ISIS supply line from Turkey, and now shooting down Russian jets who're fighting terrorist scum... Turkey has done nothing to align itself with ISIS. If ISIS didn’t exist Turkey would still be (unjustifiably) bombing the Kurds Russia’s campaign in Syria is primarily to support the Assad regime & that primarily means bombing the rebels ISIS is very much a secondary target for Russia This isn’t news, it’s common knowledge Russia would be ‘active’ in Syria if ISIS didn’t exist As for Turkey funding ISIS – really? & by ‘really’ I mean bullshit. The situation is not ISIS bad everyone else good It’s not ISIS v everyone else & if you attack someone other than ISIS you are supporting ISIS.
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Post by Gods on Nov 24, 2015 15:53:40 GMT
Pilots who evacuated shot dead on the ground. This one is not going to have a happy ending Oh no, that is awful, kick Turkey out of NATO quickly ... We have been trying to squeak them in to the EU even though Turkey is to al intents and purposes flat broke. It is the gateway to Asia isn't it, 20 minutes on a boat from Istanbul across the mighty Bosphorus and you are there, I think we thought better to have them on the train pissing out rather than on the platform pissing in as they say. Oh well, too late for that now, this one could really all kick off
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Post by underdog on Nov 24, 2015 15:58:16 GMT
They might have shot the plane down because Putin thinks he can just do whatever he wants like fly through Turkish airspace, bring down passenger flights above the Ukraine and sail submarines off the coast of Scotland. The problem is knowhere near as simple as Turkey being pro IS. Would you honestly trust any of these countries leaders, they all have their own agenda's. The only people we can realy trust in this are the Yanks and the French and believe me it pains me to say that. r In agree...things are never what they seem. Knee jerk reactions at this stage are a bad idea. Apparently, Turkmen Militia (whatever the fuck they are) shot the pilots dead whilst they were still floating down on their parachutes....
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Post by Pedropotter on Nov 24, 2015 15:59:52 GMT
Rotten bastards
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 24, 2015 16:06:03 GMT
Yes you're right. Apart from funding ISIS, bombing the Kurds to stop them cutting off the ISIS supply line from Turkey, and now shooting down Russian jets who're fighting terrorist scum... Turkey has done nothing to align itself with ISIS. If ISIS didn’t exist Turkey would still be (unjustifiably) bombing the Kurds Russia’s campaign in Syria is primarily to support the Assad regime & that primarily means bombing the rebels ISIS is very much a secondary target for Russia This isn’t news, it’s common knowledge Russia would be ‘active’ in Syria if ISIS didn’t exist As for Turkey funding ISIS – really? & by ‘really’ I mean bullshit. The situation is not ISIS bad everyone else good It’s not ISIS v everyone else & if you attack someone other than ISIS you are supporting ISIS. I’ve given up trying to explain it to them, as you say “This isn’t news, its common knowledge.”
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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2015 16:14:41 GMT
Oh no, that is awful, kick Turkey out of NATO quickly ... We have been trying to squeak them in to the EU even though Turkey is to al intents and purposes flat broke. It is the gateway to Asia isn't it, 20 minutes on a boat from Istanbul across the mighty Bosphorus and you are there, I think we thought better to have them on the train pissing out rather than on the platform pissing in as they say. Oh well, too late for that now, this one could really all kick off I was a bit tongue in cheek on my response
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 24, 2015 16:20:42 GMT
Yes you're right. Apart from funding ISIS, bombing the Kurds to stop them cutting off the ISIS supply line from Turkey, and now shooting down Russian jets who're fighting terrorist scum... Turkey has done nothing to align itself with ISIS. If ISIS didn’t exist Turkey would still be (unjustifiably) bombing the Kurds Russia’s campaign in Syria is primarily to support the Assad regime & that primarily means bombing the rebels ISIS is very much a secondary target for Russia This isn’t news, it’s common knowledge Russia would be ‘active’ in Syria if ISIS didn’t exist As for Turkey funding ISIS – really? & by ‘really’ I mean bullshit. The situation is not ISIS bad everyone else good It’s not ISIS v everyone else & if you attack someone other than ISIS you are supporting ISIS. No flys on you is there Sherlock. The Syrian Government requested Russian assistance so of course Russia are helping the Syrian President.... They're helping him to rid his country of all terrorist scum. They're attacking terrorist scum close to Government areas, and they're making hundreds of bombing runs against ISIS, especially targetting their oil production. ...Which brings us nicely onto Turkey & why they're bombing the Kurds & are so desperate to keep the ISIS supply line open. Foreign fighters get to Syria through Turkey, and ISIS make billions selling cheap oil to Turkey. And you're right, it's not ISIS bad everyone else good. It's ISIS, Turkey, Saudi Arabia & Qatar bad, everyone fighting against them good.
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Post by lordb on Nov 24, 2015 16:35:39 GMT
If ISIS didn’t exist Turkey would still be (unjustifiably) bombing the Kurds Russia’s campaign in Syria is primarily to support the Assad regime & that primarily means bombing the rebels ISIS is very much a secondary target for Russia This isn’t news, it’s common knowledge Russia would be ‘active’ in Syria if ISIS didn’t exist As for Turkey funding ISIS – really? & by ‘really’ I mean bullshit. The situation is not ISIS bad everyone else good It’s not ISIS v everyone else & if you attack someone other than ISIS you are supporting ISIS. No flys on you is there Sherlock. The Syrian Government requested Russian assistance so of course Russia are helping the Syrian President.... They're helping him to rid his country of all terrorist scum. They're attacking terrorist scum close to Government areas, and they're making hundreds of bombing runs against ISIS, especially targetting their oil production. ...Which brings us nicely onto Turkey & why they're bombing the Kurds & are so desperate to keep the ISIS supply line open. Foreign fighters get to Syria through Turkey, and ISIS make billions selling cheap oil to Turkey. And you're right, it's not ISIS bad everyone else good. It's ISIS, Turkey, Saudi Arabia & Qatar bad, everyone fighting against them good. ‘They're helping him to rid his country of all terrorist scum’ Russia are not involved in Syria for that reason Come on, you can’t possibly believe that? Perhaps Russia invade our airspace & have their subs in our shores to help prevent terrorism? Jolly nice of them I must say.
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 24, 2015 16:37:51 GMT
If Turkey ever becomes an ‘islamist’ state then the difference will be more than apparent. I'm not saying it's an Islamist state but it certainly isn't secular or neutral , it's population and it's Islamic identity make sure of that Why can't it be secular and Muslim . Ridiculous statement . Turkey is a moderate democratic Muslim country . Get over your prejudices FFS
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Post by owenvadar on Nov 24, 2015 16:41:48 GMT
I'm not saying it's an Islamist state but it certainly isn't secular or neutral , it's population and it's Islamic identity make sure of that Why can't it be secular and Muslim . Ridiculous statement . Turkey is a moderate democratic Muslim country . Get over your prejudices FFS Come on mate its hardly secular .
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 24, 2015 16:42:35 GMT
No flys on you is there Sherlock. The Syrian Government requested Russian assistance so of course Russia are helping the Syrian President.... They're helping him to rid his country of all terrorist scum. They're attacking terrorist scum close to Government areas, and they're making hundreds of bombing runs against ISIS, especially targetting their oil production. ...Which brings us nicely onto Turkey & why they're bombing the Kurds & are so desperate to keep the ISIS supply line open. Foreign fighters get to Syria through Turkey, and ISIS make billions selling cheap oil to Turkey. And you're right, it's not ISIS bad everyone else good. It's ISIS, Turkey, Saudi Arabia & Qatar bad, everyone fighting against them good. ‘They're helping him to rid his country of all terrorist scum’ Russia are not involved in Syria for that reason Come on, you can’t possibly believe that? Perhaps Russia invade our airspace & have their subs in our shores to help prevent terrorism? Jolly nice of them I must say. Give up, they won't have it
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 24, 2015 16:49:16 GMT
No flys on you is there Sherlock. The Syrian Government requested Russian assistance so of course Russia are helping the Syrian President.... They're helping him to rid his country of all terrorist scum. They're attacking terrorist scum close to Government areas, and they're making hundreds of bombing runs against ISIS, especially targetting their oil production. ...Which brings us nicely onto Turkey & why they're bombing the Kurds & are so desperate to keep the ISIS supply line open. Foreign fighters get to Syria through Turkey, and ISIS make billions selling cheap oil to Turkey. And you're right, it's not ISIS bad everyone else good. It's ISIS, Turkey, Saudi Arabia & Qatar bad, everyone fighting against them good. ‘They're helping him to rid his country of all terrorist scum’ Russia are not involved in Syria for that reason Come on, you can’t possibly believe that? Perhaps Russia invade our airspace & have their subs in our shores to help prevent terrorism? Jolly nice of them I must say. The Syrian Government requested Russian assistance to defeat the terrorist scum blighting their country. Russia said "Okay" and then started hundreds of bombing raids against key terrorist scumbag strongholds, ammunition dumps, oil production etc... Whatever 'other' motives they may or may not have (enlighten me asto what you think they're doing?) You can't deny they're attacking terrorist scumbags. Your last bit I'm unsure of what you mean. Russia are in Syria legally. And when tbeir aeroplanes/ships/subs come near the UK they're in International airspaces/waters... Just like the thousands of sorties NATO members do each year near the Russian border.
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Post by countofmontecristo on Nov 24, 2015 17:16:02 GMT
I'm not saying it's an Islamist state but it certainly isn't secular or neutral , it's population and it's Islamic identity make sure of that Why can't it be secular and Muslim . Ridiculous statement . Turkey is a moderate democratic Muslim country . Get over your prejudices FFS Erdogan himself has dismissed claims that Turkey is a moderate Islamic country, on the basis that such an entity cannot exist. You are either Islamic or not - there is no middle ground. www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/11360374.asp
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Post by Ayupshag on Nov 24, 2015 17:23:23 GMT
Fuck em off. Said on a thread last week we can no longer trust Muslim faith countries and got slated for it. To all those that slated me, fuck you, I told you so Actually you said "They're nice as pie to your face but out back of the bar they're making a bomb to put on the plane your flying home on", somehow you've managed to surpass this in stupidity (and that's a statement of fact not an insult) levels with this last statement when you consider that pretty much the only people actually fighting ISIS on the ground are the Syrians (in between fighting each other), Syria is of course a predominantly muslim country. Same difference mate. Like I said, they can't be trusted. Any of them. Russia will have all the data from the plane and if it is they ignored Turkish warnings if they were in their airspace then they're stupid but if they were in fact in Syria and only crossed into turkey for a few seconds just wait and see what Putin does. He won't fuck around with them and nor should he if his planes are being shot out of the sky by the Turks for fuck all
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2015 17:36:47 GMT
Cowardly barbarian low life pig shaggers, Geneva convention ? these wankers have no morals .
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Post by Miles Offside on Nov 24, 2015 17:43:02 GMT
Let's hope they've all got the sense not to turn a drama into a crisis.
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Post by slother on Nov 24, 2015 17:51:03 GMT
Why can't it be secular and Muslim . Ridiculous statement . Turkey is a moderate democratic Muslim country . Get over your prejudices FFS Erdogan himself has dismissed claims that Turkey is a moderate Islamic country, on the basis that such an entity cannot exist. You are either Islamic or not - there is no middle ground. www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/11360374.asp Weird. I know loads of moderate Muslims.
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Post by countofmontecristo on Nov 24, 2015 17:56:50 GMT
Weird. I know loads of moderate Muslims. Take it up with the Prime Minister of Turkey mate!
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 24, 2015 18:02:26 GMT
Why can't it be secular and Muslim . Ridiculous statement . Turkey is a moderate democratic Muslim country . Get over your prejudices FFS Erdogan himself has dismissed claims that Turkey is a moderate Islamic country, on the basis that such an entity cannot exist. You are either Islamic or not - there is no middle ground. www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/11360374.asp Not suggesting they should be less Islamic or a bit Muslim . Nothing wrong in being fully Muslim if that's what they choose to be . It doesn't make them terrorists or pariahs .
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Post by owenvadar on Nov 24, 2015 18:04:37 GMT
Why can't it be secular and Muslim . Ridiculous statement . Turkey is a moderate democratic Muslim country . Get over your prejudices FFS Erdogan himself has dismissed claims that Turkey is a moderate Islamic country, on the basis that such an entity cannot exist. You are either Islamic or not - there is no middle ground. www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/11360374.asp He has a point .
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Post by Boothen on Nov 24, 2015 18:24:51 GMT
Turkey is one of the biggest supporters of terrorism in the region, and we only tolerate them because having them in NATO affords us overflight and the use of Incirlik. Then there's this beauty from Turkey's Terrorist in Chief when one of their aircraft briefly violated Syrian airspace and got shot down... www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18584872Awkward!
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Post by countofmontecristo on Nov 24, 2015 18:38:32 GMT
Not suggesting they should be less Islamic or a bit Muslim . Nothing wrong in being fully Muslim if that's what they choose to be . It doesn't make them terrorists or pariahs . I haven't suggested that Harry. Just pointing out that Erdogan has a similar opinion to owenvader, rather than yours re: Islamism/secularism. EDIT: Re - Islamism/secularism
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2015 7:11:40 GMT
Not suggesting they should be less Islamic or a bit Muslim . Nothing wrong in being fully Muslim if that's what they choose to be . It doesn't make them terrorists or pariahs . I haven't suggested that Harry. Just pointing out that Erdogan has a similar opinion to owenvader, rather than yours re: Islamism/secularism. EDIT: Re - Islamism/secularism That Erdogan character is a worry. Seems to me he is a leader that is taking Turkey backwards.
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Post by themistocles on Nov 25, 2015 7:31:39 GMT
I haven't suggested that Harry. Just pointing out that Erdogan has a similar opinion to owenvader, rather than yours re: Islamism/secularism. EDIT: Re - Islamism/secularism That Erdogan character is a worry. Seems to me he is a leader that is taking Turkey backwards. Turning the country into a Islamic dictatorship, what could possibly go wrong...
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