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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Nov 21, 2015 21:17:42 GMT
I know two villa fans who are scared to death of relegation.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2015 21:36:43 GMT
I know two villa fans who are scared to death of relegation. It'll be the best thing to happen to their club in the last 5 years. They need to be relegated imo.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Nov 21, 2015 21:38:16 GMT
I know two villa fans who are scared to death of relegation. It'll be the best thing to happen to their club in the last 5 years. They need to be relegated imo. I know plenty that would disagree.
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Post by prettything on Nov 21, 2015 21:40:09 GMT
Spent a bit of money in all.
Just shows how destabilising it can be for a club if you swap managers regularly . No long term plan, changing playing staff every season, continually fighting fires with survival in mind.
No good.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2015 21:41:05 GMT
It'll be the best thing to happen to their club in the last 5 years. They need to be relegated imo. I know plenty that would disagree. Of course they would but they were left in the shit by O'Neil and it's only got worse since. They need to get rid of the majority of the players they have, trust their excellent youth set up and build again. Do it that properly they need to be in the Championship. They are rotten to the core and have been for 6/7 years.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Nov 21, 2015 21:42:18 GMT
I know plenty that would disagree. Of course they would but they were left in the shit by O'Neil and it's only got worse since. They need to get rid of the majority of the players they have, trust their excellent youth set up and build again. Do it that properly they need to be in the Championship. They are rotten to the core and have been for 6/7 years. I'm afraid sky dictates no relegation at all costs.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 21, 2015 21:43:31 GMT
I know two villa fans who are scared to death of relegation. I know two Villa fans who are scared to go on a boat in the sea in case they fall off the edge of the world though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2015 21:44:43 GMT
Of course they would but they were left in the shit by O'Neil and it's only got worse since. They need to get rid of the majority of the players they have, trust their excellent youth set up and build again. Do it that properly they need to be in the Championship. They are rotten to the core and have been for 6/7 years. I'm afraid sky dictates no relegation at all costs. Maybe from the owner's pov but he's part of the problem and needs to fall on his sword too. In the long term that club will be better off if they are relegated of that I have no doubt.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Nov 21, 2015 21:45:24 GMT
I know two villa fans who are scared to death of relegation. I know two Villa fans who are scared to go on a boat in the sea in case they fall off the edge of the world though. Shocking scenes
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 21, 2015 21:45:18 GMT
On the other hand I know two more Villa fans who are waiting for the push for a European spot this season.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Nov 21, 2015 21:45:44 GMT
I'm afraid sky dictates no relegation at all costs. Maybe from the owner's pov but he's part of the problem and needs to fall on his sword too. In the long term that club will be better off if they are relegated of that I have no doubt. Good job you don't pull the strings then.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2015 21:48:40 GMT
Maybe from the owner's pov but he's part of the problem and needs to fall on his sword too. In the long term that club will be better off if they are relegated of that I have no doubt. Good job you don't pull the strings then. Mark and his team disagree. It's clear they're in massive trouble and have been for years. Leicester, West Ham and Southampton have shown the way with what they need to do. Villa should be in Europe most seasons pushing for the Champions League, they're a massive club. They need to clear the decks, take the hit and go again. Do that in the Premier League and you'll get smacked unless they're excellent players.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Nov 21, 2015 21:54:54 GMT
Good job you don't pull the strings then. Mark and his team disagree. It's clear they're in massive trouble and have been for years. Leicester, West Ham and Southampton have shown the way with what they need to do. Villa should be in Europe most seasons pushing for the Champions League, they're a massive club. They need to clear the decks, take the hit and go again. Do that in the Premier League and you'll get smacked unless they're excellent players. Glad you follow my posts always good to have a new follower. Don't let the haters on twitter run you down.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2015 21:56:53 GMT
Mark and his team disagree. It's clear they're in massive trouble and have been for years. Leicester, West Ham and Southampton have shown the way with what they need to do. Villa should be in Europe most seasons pushing for the Champions League, they're a massive club. They need to clear the decks, take the hit and go again. Do that in the Premier League and you'll get smacked unless they're excellent players. Glad you follow my posts always good to have a new follower. Don't let the haters on twitter run you down. Haters on Twitter? Wha'?
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Post by march4 on Nov 21, 2015 21:59:57 GMT
Villa need to change their manager to get a 'new manager boost'.
Oh, hang on a minute.....................
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Post by mozzer on Nov 22, 2015 11:42:42 GMT
Villa have been hanging on by their finger nails for the last couple of seasons and this year I feel the grim reaper will come a knocking, they are a club that are up for sale but who have only spent the bare minimum to keep them in the league for a greater price in the market place, they have targeted survival rather than perform well in the league and the science behind it as gone complete tits up, Rudy Philippe Michel Camille Gestede £6m.........but he is a good header of the ball, what were they thinking, and what has happened to the former Stoke target from Barcelona Young Adama Traore I thought that Stoke were getting a real star who would hit the ground running when we were in for him, is he always injured or is he not good enough to get in that shit Villa side, either way possibly a bullet dodged as I have not seen much of him in the 13 games played so far this season.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 22, 2015 11:43:54 GMT
Question; very possible at least 2 of those will be in the final three to go...but how would they fare in the championship? I know a Villa fan who would genuinely welcome relegation; sees it as a chance to strip away dead wood and rebuild, he says it would be better to go to games and enjoy that winning feeling again. He thinks it needs real root & branch surgery and would be content with a top 10/maybe paly off place first season - he wouldn't expect automatic promotion straight off and isn't sure if he would welcome it so soon such is the rebuild he feels is needed. Spoke to a villa fan last night who said the same. While they avoid relegation, no change will come.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 22, 2015 11:49:41 GMT
I think there'll be a shock & we'll be waving "Tararr for now" to a couple of big clubs, in May.
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Post by iplayinthehole on Nov 22, 2015 11:58:53 GMT
I know two villa fans who are scared to death of relegation. It'll be the best thing to happen to their club in the last 5 years. They need to be relegated imo. What utter, utter rubbish
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 22, 2015 12:03:10 GMT
Aston won't end up as catastrophic as Derby were.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2015 12:31:50 GMT
It'll be the best thing to happen to their club in the last 5 years. They need to be relegated imo. What utter, utter rubbish Why? They're rotten to the core and need a root and branch overhaul, you can't really do that in the Premier League when it's so deep like it is with them. They go down and it gives them a chance to start again. It'll give someone like Grealish who imo isn't good enough for this league yet to get ready for that. And then you can build a team around players like him and get a good feeling back. You've got to look at the states, West Ham, Leicester and Southampton got themselves into and how a time down the ladder helped. They'd have to do it right obviously which isn't a given at all but nothing will change if they stay up.
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Post by malisastokie on Nov 22, 2015 12:38:51 GMT
They probably need 30 more points to stay up !
They are gone now , they bought kids and they won't get them out of this !
The manager they appointed proves the powers to be at Villa are in denial because he may have be a good appointment at the start of the season but right he and now they need somebody like Pullis or big Sam to put some starch in them.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 22, 2015 12:45:28 GMT
Of English European Cup winning teams Liverpool are the only ones not to get relegated after winning it
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Post by iplayinthehole on Nov 22, 2015 12:46:05 GMT
What utter, utter rubbish Why? They're rotten to the core and need a root and branch overhaul, you can't really do that in the Premier League when it's so deep like it is with them. They go down and it gives them a chance to start again. It'll give someone like Grealish who imo isn't good enough for this league yet to get ready for that. And then you can build a team around players like him and get a good feeling back. You've got to look at the states, West Ham, Leicester and Southampton got themselves into and how a time down the ladder helped. They'd have to do it right obviously which isn't a given at all but nothing will change if they stay up. For every team that's sorted themselves out, there's probably two or three who have faded badly. Wolves, Bolton, Leeds and even Birmingham, Middlesbrough and Hull aren't anything like there yet. Obviously we can name teams all day but the big problem, the elephant in the room which cannot be ignored and understated, is the new prem money deal. It's far too big a prize to miss out on. To put things in perspective, they could free transfer every below par player if they survive and still be miles better off. I'd be a gamble on a monumental scale to hope for relegation. It's just not what it was even a year ago.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2015 12:48:51 GMT
Why? They're rotten to the core and need a root and branch overhaul, you can't really do that in the Premier League when it's so deep like it is with them. They go down and it gives them a chance to start again. It'll give someone like Grealish who imo isn't good enough for this league yet to get ready for that. And then you can build a team around players like him and get a good feeling back. You've got to look at the states, West Ham, Leicester and Southampton got themselves into and how a time down the ladder helped. They'd have to do it right obviously which isn't a given at all but nothing will change if they stay up. For every team that's sorted themselves out, there's probably two or three who have faded badly. Wolves, Bolton, Leeds and even Birmingham, Middlesbrough and Hull aren't anything like there yet. Obviously we can name teams all day but the big problem, the elephant in the room which cannot be ignored and understated, is the new prem money deal. It's far too big a prize to miss out on. To put things in perspective, they could free transfer every below par player if they survive and still be miles better off. I'd be a gamble on a monumental scale to hope for relegation. It's just not what it was even a year ago. True but it's what they need and only Leeds are close to being as big as Villa are but they were financially fucked so they were never going to make the immediate return. If Villa find an owner they have everything in place to rebuild and be back within a season or two. Some things have to bigger than that, Villa would be better off in the long run ignoring it, I think they're going to have to!
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Post by iplayinthehole on Nov 22, 2015 12:57:49 GMT
For every team that's sorted themselves out, there's probably two or three who have faded badly. Wolves, Bolton, Leeds and even Birmingham, Middlesbrough and Hull aren't anything like there yet. Obviously we can name teams all day but the big problem, the elephant in the room which cannot be ignored and understated, is the new prem money deal. It's far too big a prize to miss out on. To put things in perspective, they could free transfer every below par player if they survive and still be miles better off. I'd be a gamble on a monumental scale to hope for relegation. It's just not what it was even a year ago. True but it's what they need and only Leeds are close to being as big as Villa are but they were financially fucked so they were never going to make the immediate return. If Villa find an owner they have everything in place to rebuild and be back within a season or two. Some things have to bigger than that, Villa would be better off in the long run ignoring it, I think they're going to have to! Obviously you are entitled to that opinion and I wouldn't dispute that they need a massive overhaul, badly, but it's such a gamble. It could literally spell financial ruin, given Learner clearly wants out and a champ club will be harder to sell, the gap between rich and poor will only widen, and so on and so forth. I will certainly agree with you though that they are bang in trouble and probably happening to them anyway, like it or not!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2015 13:00:36 GMT
True but it's what they need and only Leeds are close to being as big as Villa are but they were financially fucked so they were never going to make the immediate return. If Villa find an owner they have everything in place to rebuild and be back within a season or two. Some things have to bigger than that, Villa would be better off in the long run ignoring it, I think they're going to have to! Obviously you are entitled to that opinion and I wouldn't dispute that they need a massive overhaul, badly, but it's such a gamble. It could literally spell financial ruin, given Learner clearly wants out and a champ club will be harder to sell, the gap between rich and poor will only widen, and so on and so forth. I will certainly agree with you though that they are bang in trouble and probably happening to them anyway, like it or not! One worth taking though when the future doesn't appear to be much more than struggling year on year. They're better than that. They'd have the parachute payments and I reckon would get back into the Premier League within 2 seasons. They'd be a massive draw to any decent player. It's the way we could have gone after TP but thankfully he did leave us in a much better place than what O'Neil left them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 13:10:30 GMT
Obviously you are entitled to that opinion and I wouldn't dispute that they need a massive overhaul, badly, but it's such a gamble. It could literally spell financial ruin, given Learner clearly wants out and a champ club will be harder to sell, the gap between rich and poor will only widen, and so on and so forth. I will certainly agree with you though that they are bang in trouble and probably happening to them anyway, like it or not! One worth taking though when the future doesn't appear to be much more than struggling year on year. They're better than that. They'd have the parachute payments and I reckon would get back into the Premier League within 2 seasons. They'd be a massive draw to any decent player. It's the way we could have gone after TP but thankfully he did leave us in a much better place than what O'Neil left them. I'm intrigued; in what way did O'Neill leave them that means they're still feeling the repercussions 5+ years later?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2015 13:14:28 GMT
One worth taking though when the future doesn't appear to be much more than struggling year on year. They're better than that. They'd have the parachute payments and I reckon would get back into the Premier League within 2 seasons. They'd be a massive draw to any decent player. It's the way we could have gone after TP but thankfully he did leave us in a much better place than what O'Neil left them. I'm intrigued; in what way did O'Neill leave them that means they're still feeling the repercussions 5+ years later? He left them with a squad of aging duds on way too much money that sucked the living daylights out of the club. They haven't recovered since.
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Post by sage on Nov 22, 2015 13:40:58 GMT
I can't agree with the idea that relegation would be good for Villa. Plenty of big clubs have gone down and stayed there, or even gone down again. There are no certainties in the Championship, if I were a Villa fan I wouldn't want to risk it even if you could guarantee me some sort of 'rebuild' would be done if it happened. And that is certainly far from guaranteed, it might just make them into even more of a mess. It's short-sighted to suggest it would be somehow beneficial.
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