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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 13:56:01 GMT
I'm intrigued; in what way did O'Neill leave them that means they're still feeling the repercussions 5+ years later? He left them with a squad of aging duds on way too much money that sucked the living daylights out of the club. They haven't recovered since. Oh, right. I thought you were going to provide some kind of insider knowledge then Can't really buy into that argument. He established them as a Top 6 team pushing for a Champs League spot and had bought some good players, including Delph, Downing and Milner that they sold for sizeable profit. The wage bill was unsustainable though and when Lambert started the idea was to blood new, younger players whilst the more established old guard ended their careers. I think 10/11 and 11/12 were tough times for them and their form suffered as a result. However, their current problems are far more deep-rooted than a manager that left over 5 seasons ago; their persistence with Lambert and the strange appointment of Sherwood for starters. Their 14/15 wage bill was well under control and is more than proportionate for a club their size. And it's not like their transfer kitty has been damaged - since MON left they have spent £150m+ on incoming transfers including £52m this summer alone. Out of interest, how long do you think LMH can be blamed for the circus that is QPR?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 22, 2015 14:20:03 GMT
He left them with a squad of aging duds on way too much money that sucked the living daylights out of the club. They haven't recovered since. Oh, right. I thought you were going to provide some kind of insider knowledge then Can't really buy into that argument. He established them as a Top 6 team pushing for a Champs League spot and had bought some good players, including Delph, Downing and Milner that they sold for sizeable profit. The wage bill was unsustainable though and when Lambert started the idea was to blood new, younger players whilst the more established old guard ended their careers. I think 10/11 and 11/12 were tough times for them and their form suffered as a result. However, their current problems are far more deep-rooted than a manager that left over 5 seasons ago; their persistence with Lambert and the strange appointment of Sherwood for starters. Their 14/15 wage bill was well under control and is more than proportionate for a club their size. And it's not like their transfer kitty has been damaged - since MON left they have spent £150m+ on incoming transfers including £52m this summer alone. Out of interest, how long do you think LMH can be blamed for the circus that is QPR? I think "blame" is the wrong word. Congratulated is much better.
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Post by underdog on Nov 22, 2015 14:28:00 GMT
Barring the second coming and him playing up front for them, I predict they are properly fucked. Complete mess at the back, nowt up front.
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Post by staffsvilla on Nov 22, 2015 14:33:17 GMT
Right, I'll try and keep this short, just 2 points
1. The way the club has been turned into a total shambles and run like a corner shop has got me scratching my head to find a single negative from getting relegated Plus points ,more local derbies,more 3pm kick offs,some games on terraces,a clear out of all the crap players who no doubt have 'escape clauses' in their contracts, the loss of all the 'sky fans' (hopefully forever!),some new grounds to visit and finally relegation should finally see Lerner lower the asking price to a realistic figure and sell up and go ! Negative points, only one if we don't get back before the parachute payments dry up we are fucked !
2. MON was allowed to pick,sign and decide fees and contracts for all players because Lerner and Falkner knew fuck all about football in general, sadly for them MON also knew fuck all about the financial side of it, I mean who else would of given the likes of Harewood,Shorey,Shaw,NRC and co 30k+ a week ! When Lerner saw how much money had been spunked up the wall he tried to reign in the spending,MON chucks his toys and the rest is history,Lerner stops spending,a succession of poor manager choices and season after season of pure crap dished up !
Will I celebrate relegation ? Of course not I'll support the club till I pass away but I really feel we need to go down instead of festering like a rotting corpse of a once great football club
UP THE VILLA
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 22, 2015 14:34:42 GMT
I would chuckle for a month if they got relegated. They've got a serious uphill battle on their hands now.
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Post by lordb on Nov 22, 2015 15:07:01 GMT
Of English European Cup winning teams Liverpool are the only ones not to get relegated after winning it Chelsea?
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 22, 2015 21:25:40 GMT
Of English European Cup winning teams Liverpool are the only ones not to get relegated after winning it Chelsea? Not yet☺
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 23, 2015 8:48:44 GMT
Even in our holocaust season we had 7 points after 13 games so they've got their work cut out. I could think of a few clubs I'd prefer to drop than Villa mind.
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Post by Northy on Nov 23, 2015 8:53:00 GMT
Right, I'll try and keep this short, just 2 points 1. The way the club has been turned into a total shambles and run like a corner shop has got me scratching my head to find a single negative from getting relegated Plus points ,more local derbies,more 3pm kick offs,some games on terraces,a clear out of all the crap players who no doubt have 'escape clauses' in their contracts, the loss of all the 'sky fans' (hopefully forever!),some new grounds to visit and finally relegation should finally see Lerner lower the asking price to a realistic figure and sell up and go ! Negative points, only one if we don't get back before the parachute payments dry up we are fucked ! 2. MON was allowed to pick,sign and decide fees and contracts for all players because Lerner and Falkner knew fuck all about football in general, sadly for them MON also knew fuck all about the financial side of it, I mean who else would of given the likes of Harewood,Shorey,Shaw,NRC and co 30k+ a week ! When Lerner saw how much money had been spunked up the wall he tried to reign in the spending,MON chucks his toys and the rest is history,Lerner stops spending,a succession of poor manager choices and season after season of pure crap dished up ! Will I celebrate relegation ? Of course not I'll support the club till I pass away but I really feel we need to go down instead of festering like a rotting corpse of a once great football club UP THE VILLA I was talking to a couple of Villa fans when wating for the start of the Conwy half marathon yesterday morning, one from leicester the other from Chester, they were friends, they both said what you have said and although they won't like relegation it will be the only way to get the club back on track. Quite funny when the one from Chester took off his Villa rain jacket just before the start, he had a Crewe top on underneath, fook me he had a bad scoreline day on Saturday
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 8:53:29 GMT
That would only leave 6 clubs that have been in the Prem since it's beginning...
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 23, 2015 8:58:14 GMT
Right, I'll try and keep this short, just 2 points 1. The way the club has been turned into a total shambles and run like a corner shop has got me scratching my head to find a single negative from getting relegated Plus points ,more local derbies,more 3pm kick offs,some games on terraces,a clear out of all the crap players who no doubt have 'escape clauses' in their contracts, the loss of all the 'sky fans' (hopefully forever!),some new grounds to visit and finally relegation should finally see Lerner lower the asking price to a realistic figure and sell up and go ! Negative points, only one if we don't get back before the parachute payments dry up we are fucked ! 2. MON was allowed to pick,sign and decide fees and contracts for all players because Lerner and Falkner knew fuck all about football in general, sadly for them MON also knew fuck all about the financial side of it, I mean who else would of given the likes of Harewood,Shorey,Shaw,NRC and co 30k+ a week ! When Lerner saw how much money had been spunked up the wall he tried to reign in the spending,MON chucks his toys and the rest is history,Lerner stops spending,a succession of poor manager choices and season after season of pure crap dished up ! Will I celebrate relegation ? Of course not I'll support the club till I pass away but I really feel we need to go down instead of festering like a rotting corpse of a once great football club UP THE VILLA It;s obvious what your challenge is. Your ideal manager is at WBA.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 8:58:43 GMT
Question; very possible at least 2 of those will be in the final three to go...but how would they fare in the championship? I know a Villa fan who would genuinely welcome relegation; sees it as a chance to strip away dead wood and rebuild, he says it would be better to go to games and enjoy that winning feeling again. He thinks it needs real root & branch surgery and would be content with a top 10/maybe paly off place first season - he wouldn't expect automatic promotion straight off and isn't sure if he would welcome it so soon such is the rebuild he feels is needed. It's all good in theory, until it takes 23 years to return :s
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 9:09:06 GMT
Right, I'll try and keep this short, just 2 points 1. The way the club has been turned into a total shambles and run like a corner shop has got me scratching my head to find a single negative from getting relegated Plus points ,more local derbies,more 3pm kick offs,some games on terraces,a clear out of all the crap players who no doubt have 'escape clauses' in their contracts, the loss of all the 'sky fans' (hopefully forever!),some new grounds to visit and finally relegation should finally see Lerner lower the asking price to a realistic figure and sell up and go ! Negative points, only one if we don't get back before the parachute payments dry up we are fucked ! 2. MON was allowed to pick,sign and decide fees and contracts for all players because Lerner and Falkner knew fuck all about football in general, sadly for them MON also knew fuck all about the financial side of it, I mean who else would of given the likes of Harewood,Shorey,Shaw,NRC and co 30k+ a week ! When Lerner saw how much money had been spunked up the wall he tried to reign in the spending,MON chucks his toys and the rest is history,Lerner stops spending,a succession of poor manager choices and season after season of pure crap dished up ! Will I celebrate relegation ? Of course not I'll support the club till I pass away but I really feel we need to go down instead of festering like a rotting corpse of a once great football club UP THE VILLA It's always a risky wish, going down, getting re built, coming up stronger... Look at Leeds, Forest, Bolton, even 2 of your neighbours Brum & Wolves, and probably the biggest fall from the big time in recent years would be Coventry, a mass exodus of players, loss of TV money, loss of away fans, you could easily spend a few more years than you'd want down there, I personally hope you don't, always liked villa, went to 3 or 4 of your European games a few years ago, even went to Wembley for semi against Bolton, so lets hope you stay up, and after all it's better for SCFC if you stay up in terms of distance to away game, and indeed the number of fans you will bring.
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Nov 23, 2015 9:21:02 GMT
Right, I'll try and keep this short, just 2 points 1. The way the club has been turned into a total shambles and run like a corner shop has got me scratching my head to find a single negative from getting relegated Plus points ,more local derbies,more 3pm kick offs,some games on terraces,a clear out of all the crap players who no doubt have 'escape clauses' in their contracts, the loss of all the 'sky fans' (hopefully forever!),some new grounds to visit and finally relegation should finally see Lerner lower the asking price to a realistic figure and sell up and go ! Negative points, only one if we don't get back before the parachute payments dry up we are fucked ! 2. MON was allowed to pick,sign and decide fees and contracts for all players because Lerner and Falkner knew fuck all about football in general, sadly for them MON also knew fuck all about the financial side of it, I mean who else would of given the likes of Harewood,Shorey,Shaw,NRC and co 30k+ a week ! When Lerner saw how much money had been spunked up the wall he tried to reign in the spending,MON chucks his toys and the rest is history,Lerner stops spending,a succession of poor manager choices and season after season of pure crap dished up ! Will I celebrate relegation ? Of course not I'll support the club till I pass away but I really feel we need to go down instead of festering like a rotting corpse of a once great football club UP THE VILLA It;s obvious what your challenge is. Your ideal manager is at WBA. Which begs the question, should they just go for broke and get Pulis in ASAP? Might cost them a serious whack to draw him away from a solid foundation at WBA, but ultimately he is probably their best chance of staying up and reaping the PL/Sky financial rewards!
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 23, 2015 9:25:27 GMT
The notion that a club "needs to be relegated to rebuild" is a dangerous one. As Leeds, Bolton, Sheff Weds & Boro among many, will testify. What that club needs is to be run properly and stability. Pulis, although frustrating, has it spot on. Safety comes first, and for certain clubs that should be the priority. To try & play your way out of trouble with nice football is hopeless in most cases. When your club is badly run, that just makes it worse for the manager as more pressure to achieve certain (maybe out of reach) goals simply detracts from the main focus which is survival. And I suspect that is why Villa look hopelessly doomed and won't escape the vacuum of relegation. Someone like Tone would save them, but you doubt that their fans would accept what he does best beyond that first season even if they survive. They're accustomed to eating swanky grub, not fish finger sarnies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 9:25:31 GMT
Villas only problem has been choosing the wrong managers.Relegation won't fix that.They've got more chance of enticing a quality manager whilst in the prem than the championship. Lerner clearly knows knowt about football hence choosing crap managers.There's more chance of them finding a buyer with the necessary resources whilst remaining a top flight club
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 23, 2015 9:26:58 GMT
It;s obvious what your challenge is. Your ideal manager is at WBA. Which begs the question, should they just go for broke and get Pulis in ASAP? Might cost them a serious whack to draw him away from a solid foundation at WBA, but ultimately he is probably their best chance of staying up and reaping the PL/Sky financial rewards! If they were going get him it would have been when Sherwood left. They must have considered him. He wouldn't be cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 9:32:50 GMT
Which begs the question, should they just go for broke and get Pulis in ASAP? Might cost them a serious whack to draw him away from a solid foundation at WBA, but ultimately he is probably their best chance of staying up and reaping the PL/Sky financial rewards! If they were going get him it would have been when Sherwood left. They must have considered him. He wouldn't be cheap. Had Pulis been out of work then they'd have certainly gone for him, however the fact that he's at WBA and not really on the market ruled him out.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 23, 2015 9:41:00 GMT
If they were going get him it would have been when Sherwood left. They must have considered him. He wouldn't be cheap. Had Pulis been out of work then they'd have certainly gone for him, however the fact that he's at WBA and not really on the market ruled him out. How would WBA reacted to him being headhunted??
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Post by apb1 on Nov 23, 2015 9:42:07 GMT
That would only leave 6 clubs that have been in the Prem since it's beginning... And if Sunderland were to finally go down too, we would be the 8th longest serving current Prem club (Man City being the 7th plus the six you mention). Not bad eh Paddy Power?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 9:55:57 GMT
Had Pulis been out of work then they'd have certainly gone for him, however the fact that he's at WBA and not really on the market ruled him out. How would WBA reacted to him being headhunted?? Pretty sure they'd resist, even though they are mid table, they are always capable of a relegation battle. And no ones CV reads better than Tones when it comes to survival battles...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 10:03:28 GMT
That would only leave 6 clubs that have been in the Prem since it's beginning... And if Sunderland were to finally go down too, we would be the 8th longest serving current Prem club (Man City being the 7th plus the six you mention). Not bad eh Paddy Power? That's pretty awesome. Got to say Sunderland looking good for the drop...
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 23, 2015 10:25:38 GMT
And if Sunderland were to finally go down too, we would be the 8th longest serving current Prem club (Man City being the 7th plus the six you mention). Not bad eh Paddy Power? That's pretty awesome. Got to say Sunderland looking good for the drop... Sam is the kind of pragmatist to survive them though.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 23, 2015 10:37:19 GMT
Question; very possible at least 2 of those will be in the final three to go...but how would they fare in the championship? I know a Villa fan who would genuinely welcome relegation; sees it as a chance to strip away dead wood and rebuild, he says it would be better to go to games and enjoy that winning feeling again. He thinks it needs real root & branch surgery and would be content with a top 10/maybe paly off place first season - he wouldn't expect automatic promotion straight off and isn't sure if he would welcome it so soon such is the rebuild he feels is needed. It's all good in theory, until it takes 23 years to return :s But when you do come back everyone appreciates it so much more.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Nov 25, 2015 12:40:45 GMT
They say the table doesnt lie and Aston Villa are woeful this season.i dont think they will get out of it. They are certain to go down with Bournemouth and either Newcastle or Sunderland i think
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 25, 2015 17:55:38 GMT
Villa's start is definitely one of the very worst in PL history. But they do look an awful & hopeless lot too. They're doomed.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 25, 2015 18:00:53 GMT
Villa's start is definitely one of the very worst in PL history. But they do look an awful & hopeless lot too. They're doomed. Simply a lack of investment over a number of years manifesting itself. Was bound to happen eventually.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 25, 2015 18:06:44 GMT
Villa Norwich and B'mouth are certain to go down.
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Post by march4 on Nov 25, 2015 18:14:12 GMT
They say the table doesnt lie and Aston Villa are woeful this season.i dont think they will get out of it. They are certain to go down with Bournemouth and either Newcastle or Sunderland i think Crisis club Swansea are already down. The only question for them is how many divisions will they drop through before they reach their level.
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Nov 25, 2015 18:27:08 GMT
They probably need 30 more points to stay up ! They are gone now , they bought kids and they won't get them out of this ! The manager they appointed proves the powers to be at Villa are in denial because he may have be a good appointment at the start of the season but right he and now they need somebody like Pullis or big Sam to put some starch in them. I think they will need about 35 points, so that's near enough 12 wins. So with 25 games left, that's a win every other game. Tall order for anyone down the bottom
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