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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2015 7:40:52 GMT
What is there to struggle with as already pointed out, the jet isn't being bought, a RAF refuelling plane is being converted to also carry passengers and will be used for refuelling duties when not needed - so not quite spending £10m on a private jet as it is made out. MP's nursery is just a cheap shot as it's used by all MP's and actually if it's £1m a year again probably saves money if you want to look at the alternative which would surely involve additional protection costs. The £3.6m sounds really good until you realise that's five years costs and of course that's not personal use it is entertaining of official guests etc. So in short it's the usual half truths and deliberate misinterpretation. Can it be a passenger plane and a refuelling plane at the same time. ? Yes
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 21, 2015 8:45:59 GMT
£10 million is still being spent though isn't it? Not sure how it's going to save money either, perhaps Al can help me out with that one. I don't need to help you out. You are a teacher so should under stand maths If they are spending 10m over X amount of years to refit a plane which will save more than hiring other planes surely that's a good thing However typical lefties see the headline not the narrative It wont save fuck all. Dithering Dave is spunking £10 million on a private jet for himself. It'll never (or hardly ever at best) be used for anything else. And it'll nodoubt take over a decade to 'pay for itself', but we all know damn well that way before then it'll have another £10 million spunked on it to bring it upto scratch again. However typical Tory fanboys defend absolutely EVERYTHING they do like they're cheering for a fucking football team. Gain some credability & admit Dithering Dave is taking the piss out of you, me & everyone else, rather than just blindly defending your 'team' 'cos you think it'll make you look weak if you admit they're fucking us all over.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 21, 2015 9:08:59 GMT
I don't need to help you out. You are a teacher so should under stand maths If they are spending 10m over X amount of years to refit a plane which will save more than hiring other planes surely that's a good thing However typical lefties see the headline not the narrative It wont save fuck all. Dithering Dave is spunking £10 million on a private jet for himself. It'll never (or hardly ever at best) be used for anything else. And it'll nodoubt take over a decade to 'pay for itself', but we all know damn well that way before then it'll have another £10 million spunked on it to bring it upto scratch again. However typical Tory fanboys defend absolutely EVERYTHING they do like they're cheering for a fucking football team. Gain some credability & admit Dithering Dave is taking the piss out of you, me & everyone else, rather than just blindly defending your 'team' 'cos you think it'll make you look weak if you admit they're fucking us all over. But aren't you doing exactly the same - booing the opposition team regardless of policies? I'll support the Tories when they get thing right, and have a pop when they get them wrong.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 21, 2015 9:10:38 GMT
But aren't you doing exactly the same - booing the opposition team regardless of policies? I'll support the Tories when they get thing right, and have a pop when they get them wrong. I haven't got 'an opposition'. I'll slate any party where they're taking the piss.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Nov 21, 2015 10:47:04 GMT
Can it be a passenger plane and a refuelling plane at the same time. ? Yes Are you sure. Do the passenger's sit in the fuel tanks ?
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2015 11:00:13 GMT
Are you sure. Do the passenger's sit in the fuel tanks ?[/quote From the website: RAF Voyager, an Airbus Military new generation Multi Role Tanker Transport (MRTT) aircraft, brings a transformative operational capability to the UK Armed Forces, delivering new efficiency and flexibility. That the MRTT can perform its air-to-air refuelling role simultaneously with transport tasking, is indicative of the powerful new missions and operational capability that Voyager delivers to the RAF. My wife works on these planes and we have a decent fleet. Depending on how they use a plane for the government it would've value for money. These planes can be fitted for a variety of tasks. We are the only major country that doesn't have an official plane for govt. and in today's world it probably should happen for security reasons. The public (and I understand why) will see it as ostentatious where actually it should save money.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 11:07:35 GMT
What is there to struggle with as already pointed out, the jet isn't being bought, a RAF refuelling plane is being converted to also carry passengers and will be used for refuelling duties when not needed - so not quite spending £10m on a private jet as it is made out. MP's nursery is just a cheap shot as it's used by all MP's and actually if it's £1m a year again probably saves money if you want to look at the alternative which would surely involve additional protection costs. The £3.6m sounds really good until you realise that's five years costs and of course that's not personal use it is entertaining of official guests etc. So in short it's the usual half truths and deliberate misinterpretation. Can it be a passenger plane and a refuelling plane at the same time. ? Well yes , the old R.A.F. Tristars used to have that capability so I don't see why not ?
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2015 11:15:17 GMT
What is there to struggle with as already pointed out, the jet isn't being bought, a RAF refuelling plane is being converted to also carry passengers and will be used for refuelling duties when not needed - so not quite spending £10m on a private jet as it is made out. MP's nursery is just a cheap shot as it's used by all MP's and actually if it's £1m a year again probably saves money if you want to look at the alternative which would surely involve additional protection costs. The £3.6m sounds really good until you realise that's five years costs and of course that's not personal use it is entertaining of official guests etc. So in short it's the usual half truths and deliberate misinterpretation. £10 million is still being spent though isn't it? Not sure how it's going to save money either, perhaps Al can help me out with that one. Not on a private jet as is being made out though is it, will also be used by senior ministers and royals. It saves money as the running costs will supposedly be £2,000 an hour as opposed to £6,700 cost of chartering a plane currently. Plenty of articles on it if you choose to google it.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2015 11:16:45 GMT
£10 million is still being spent though isn't it? Not sure how it's going to save money either, perhaps Al can help me out with that one. Not on a private jet as is being made out though is it, will also be used by senior ministers and royals. It saves money as the running costs will supposedly be £2,000 an hour as opposed to £6,700 cost of chartering a plane currently. Plenty of articles on it if you choose to google it. Can you put that in a meme to help him understand. It's like reading a picture book with him
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2015 12:02:21 GMT
I don't need to help you out. You are a teacher so should under stand maths If they are spending 10m over X amount of years to refit a plane which will save more than hiring other planes surely that's a good thing However typical lefties see the headline not the narrative It wont save fuck all. Dithering Dave is spunking £10 million on a private jet for himself. It'll never (or hardly ever at best) be used for anything else. And it'll nodoubt take over a decade to 'pay for itself', but we all know damn well that way before then it'll have another £10 million spunked on it to bring it upto scratch again. However typical Tory fanboys defend absolutely EVERYTHING they do like they're cheering for a fucking football team. Gain some credability & admit Dithering Dave is taking the piss out of you, me & everyone else, rather than just blindly defending your 'team' 'cos you think it'll make you look weak if you admit they're fucking us all over. Well as he is standing down in four years it clearly will be used by other people and as stated it will be used by senior ministers and royals. As for further costs i'm not the aviation expert you clearly are and that will be the decision of the government at the time. I've responded with some facts to correct a misleading meme, quite frankly couldn't give a fuck about the cost of MP's nursery or entertaining at chequers or an attempt to save money on travel costs, it's all a bit petty if there was any inappropriate spending going on FOI requests would reveal that. If you're so obsessed with credibility suggest some alternatives instead of just ranting.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 21, 2015 12:15:31 GMT
If you're so obsessed with credibility suggest some alternatives instead of just ranting. You want me to suggest an alternative to spunking £10 million on a private jet?... Let me just think about that... Fuck me
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2015 12:46:08 GMT
Not on a private jet as is being made out though is it, will also be used by senior ministers and royals. It saves money as the running costs will supposedly be £2,000 an hour as opposed to £6,700 cost of chartering a plane currently. Plenty of articles on it if you choose to google it. Can you put that in a meme to help him understand. It's like reading a picture book with him You mean like there are some doubts as to whether Labour's new defence and foreign policy will be effective as Jeremy thinks Attachment Deleted
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2015 12:49:33 GMT
If you're so obsessed with credibility suggest some alternatives instead of just ranting. You want me to suggest an alternative to spunking £10 million on a private jet?... Let me just think about that... Fuck me Excellent so we can assume your preference is to continue spunking £10 millon plus on chartering planes, quite drunken I'd agree but not so communist
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Post by owenvadar on Nov 21, 2015 12:58:03 GMT
Can you put that in a meme to help him understand. It's like reading a picture book with him You mean like there are some doubts as to whether Labour's new defence and foreign policy will be effective as Jeremy thinks View AttachmentThe pen is mightier than the sword.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 21, 2015 17:15:36 GMT
Not on a private jet as is being made out though is it, will also be used by senior ministers and royals. It saves money as the running costs will supposedly be £2,000 an hour as opposed to £6,700 cost of chartering a plane currently. Plenty of articles on it if you choose to google it. Can you put that in a meme to help him understand. It's like reading a picture book with him The memes are kept simple for people to understand. You tell me it could and should save money and we're the only country that doesn't have one for Govt. Come back with proof and I'll apologise...or you'll apologise to me for your usual high handed know it all attitiude. That fair enough?
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2015 17:35:57 GMT
Can you put that in a meme to help him understand. It's like reading a picture book with him The memes are kept simple for people to understand. You tell me it could and should save money and we're the only country that doesn't have one for Govt. Come back with proof and I'll apologise...or you'll apologise to me for your usual high handed know it all attitiude. That fair enough? Grow up. Come back with proof and I will apologise FFS It wills shoe savings over the years. It's already been commented on this thread from the original article that costs will go down from £6k to £2k an hour And considering my wife flys on those planes so I have a semi decent knowledge of the ins and out of trust my opinion over that of someone constantly getting thing wrong over military matters
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 21, 2015 17:38:39 GMT
The memes are kept simple for people to understand. You tell me it could and should save money and we're the only country that doesn't have one for Govt. Come back with proof and I'll apologise...or you'll apologise to me for your usual high handed know it all attitiude. That fair enough? Grow up. Come back with proof and I will apologise FFS It wills shoe savings over the years. It's already been commented on this thread from the original article that costs will go down from £6k to £2k an hour And considering my wife flys on those planes so I have a semi decent knowledge of the ins and out of trust my opinion over that of someone constantly getting thing wrong over military matters Try growing up yourself Mr high handed one. Proof please and then you'll get an apology. Semi decent, could...should..all bollocks really.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 21, 2015 18:16:10 GMT
Can it be a passenger plane and a refuelling plane at the same time. ? Yes But can it take off on a treadmill?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 21, 2015 18:30:29 GMT
Another meme for Al..as I know he loves 'em
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 21, 2015 18:43:13 GMT
Another meme for Al..as I know he loves 'em They're all at it though Huddy. Remember Blair signing us up the the European Convention for Human Rights and what was his wife's speciality as a QC........Human Rights. There's probably many more from high level government right down to district and even parish councils.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2015 18:45:43 GMT
Grow up. Come back with proof and I will apologise FFS It wills shoe savings over the years. It's already been commented on this thread from the original article that costs will go down from £6k to £2k an hour And considering my wife flys on those planes so I have a semi decent knowledge of the ins and out of trust my opinion over that of someone constantly getting thing wrong over military matters Try growing up yourself Mr high handed one. Proof please and then you'll get an apology. Semi decent, could...should..all bollocks really. What proof do you want the same articles that reference the £10m cost also reference the savings and many state it will take over 10 years to payback, lets bookmark this for for 2025 shall we ? The £10m cost is itself misleading as there will be a saving of £x million per year that was already been spent on such travel, Blair had put in motion paying £100m for an actual private jet, Gordon cancelled that as too expensive shame he didn't review the PFI contracts he signed off on as stringently as we would be many billions of pounds better off each year.
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Post by owenvadar on Nov 21, 2015 18:56:09 GMT
Can you put that in a meme to help him understand. It's like reading a picture book with him The memes are kept simple for people to understand. You tell me it could and should save money and we're the only country that doesn't have one for Govt. Come back with proof and I'll apologise...or you'll apologise to me for your usual high handed know it all attitiude. That fair enough? These memes are often one sided and only see things from one side , I think it's important to provide some balance.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2015 19:00:50 GMT
The memes are kept simple for people to understand. You tell me it could and should save money and we're the only country that doesn't have one for Govt. Come back with proof and I'll apologise...or you'll apologise to me for your usual high handed know it all attitiude. That fair enough? These memes are often one sided and only see things from one side , I think it's important to provide some balance. He does not understand balance
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2015 19:09:06 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 21, 2015 19:44:32 GMT
These memes are often one sided and only see things from one side , I think it's important to provide some balance. He does not understand balance And as a working class tory, you do???
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2015 19:44:48 GMT
He does not understand balance And as a working class tory, you do??? I like to think I've risen to middle class
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 21, 2015 19:56:01 GMT
www.scriptonitedaily.com/2014/01/29/the-government-just-passed-a-gagging-law-to-outlaw-critics-ahead-of-2015-elections/Scriptonite / January 29, 2014 Theresa May Present day Home Secretary Theresa May’s husband is a director/shareholder in G4S. May has faced several conflict of interest allegations during her tenure. One of the most egregious was the case of G4S winning a £200m contract to run Lincolnshire police operations. G4S had recruited law firm White and Cade to support their bid. In a stunning coincidence, May invited Tom Winsor, a lawyer from the same firm, to conduct ‘an independent review of police reform’ in the run up to the bid – giving the lawyer access to privy information and contacts.Stephen Green & HSBC gerryco23.wordpress.com/2012/07/18/privatisation-a-modern-enclosure-movement/July 18 2012 Meanwhile, today the Liverpool radical magazine Nerve has this: Former Labour Cabinet member John Reid who originally gave G4S contract for Olympic security is now a director at G4S. Teresa May has shares in Prudential, owned by G4S and Goldman Sachs have the most shares in G4S. How cosy! www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/g4s_and_the_corporate_stateIn 2012 G4S’s major investors include Prudential, Legal & General and Black Rock Inc., the world’s biggest investment fund who own over 5% of G4S shares. When, as in G4S’s case, over a quarter of your business depends on revenue from state contracts, then you need to be part of the political process. G4S has Lord (John) Reid on its board, along with the former Met Commissioner Lord Condon. But G4S’s lobbying power is not simply about the wholesale buying of politicians and former civil servants. It is embedded in the regulatory process and sits on the very bodies that licence and regulate its markets. G4S is in on UN debates on regulating private security; involved in EU advisory bodies; and UK industry bodies and lobby groups.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 21, 2015 19:56:17 GMT
And as a working class tory, you do??? I like to think I've risen to middle class I guess that's about right.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2015 19:58:50 GMT
I like to think I've risen to middle class I guess that's about right. It's amazing where hard work and endeavour will take you
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Post by owenvadar on Nov 21, 2015 19:59:30 GMT
I like to think I've risen to middle class I guess that's about right. There is nothing wrong with being middle class mate , I think the major of the country would be classed as middle class now.
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