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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 8, 2015 18:59:43 GMT
15 minutes with the back to the wall and you think it sums him up as player? In addition he has been out with and injury for at least a fortnight! Excuses and excuses........ What? Where have I said it sums him up as a player? Why do people make stuff up? I said the game passed him by and he was poor.....he was. OK, so you can see he is a decent footballer then or what the heck are you really discussing!
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Post by potterpaul on Nov 8, 2015 20:22:02 GMT
15 minutes with the back to the wall and you think it sums him up as player? In addition he has been out with and injury for at least a fortnight! Excuses and excuses........ What? Where have I said it sums him up as a player? Why do people make stuff up? I said the game passed him by and he was poor.....he was. You said it was a problem that needed sorting earlier in the thread. I would say you are summing players on that basis Think you are digging a hole here. Bury your head and hope it all goes away time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 9, 2015 23:18:36 GMT
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Post by wearepremierleague on Nov 9, 2015 23:22:34 GMT
Since he took MVGs place we have looked a much better team. At the end of the season there will also be a goals stat to compare and Adam will guarantee you a few goals
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 9, 2015 23:24:57 GMT
Since he took MVGs place we have looked a much better team. At the end of the season there will also be a goals stat to compare and Adam will guarantee you a few goals We have but is it down to him? Because he's seemingly not doing very much. I think he will too but he needs to be used higher up the pitch. Even that side of his game, chance creating etc is piss poor. Of course, the crux of the matter is we need someone better in there than Adam or Van Ginkel.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2015 23:26:08 GMT
Carrying him my fucking shit ring. Surely the more apposite comparison would be with van Ginkel?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2015 23:29:08 GMT
I added most 'backward passes' to the mix. Quite enlightening. It might suggest that they're maybe not doing the exact same job?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 9, 2015 23:32:19 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 9, 2015 23:35:40 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2015 23:37:53 GMT
That's van Ginkel's stats. Successful passes, Charlie 20% better than van Ginkel. Great this stats game ain't it?!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 9, 2015 23:42:21 GMT
That's van Ginkel's stats. Successful passes, Charlie 20% better than van Ginkel. Great this stats game ain't it?! It is. But it was aimed at your post above sorry. Whelan has more forwards and backwards passes than Adam. You'd expect (well I certainly would) for Adam to have more forward passes per game than Whelan. I think Van Ginkel was in general awful for us. But there's not much between the two is there? Which again is my point. We need better. Re successful passes both are half of Fonz and Whelan!
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 9, 2015 23:43:08 GMT
"Apples and pears" comes to mind.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 9, 2015 23:45:14 GMT
Rotten apples and pears at that.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2015 23:48:31 GMT
That's van Ginkel's stats. Successful passes, Charlie 20% better than van Ginkel. Great this stats game ain't it?! It is. But it was aimed at your post above sorry. Whelan has more forwards and backwards passes than Adam. You'd expect (well I certainly would) for Adam to have more forward passes per game than Whelan. I think Van Ginkel was in general awful for us. But there's not much between the two is there? Which again is my point. We need better. Re successful passes both are half of Fonz and Whelan! Do we need better? Of course we do. What you've said about Adam generally and on Saturday in particular, is just a load of dog spunk though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2015 0:00:02 GMT
It is. But it was aimed at your post above sorry. Whelan has more forwards and backwards passes than Adam. You'd expect (well I certainly would) for Adam to have more forward passes per game than Whelan. I think Van Ginkel was in general awful for us. But there's not much between the two is there? Which again is my point. We need better. Re successful passes both are half of Fonz and Whelan! Do we need better? Of course we do. What you've said about Adam generally and on Saturday in particular, is just a load of dog spunk though. It's not though. Most people to some extent seem to agree we have a hole in midfield. But because of the results it seems like that is ok. I don't think it is. We were overrun in there vs Watford because of him too, it's not a one off. It's not down to the quality of midfielder he was up against. It's down to him. I think that's been pretty obvious. People disagree.......ace that's what great about football but when you throw the stats in to back my opinion up he sure as shit isn't appearing to do much.
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Post by primmerz on Nov 10, 2015 0:00:32 GMT
4 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss since playing alongside Whelan. If the team was playing awful overall and he was a major contributor to that then fair enough, but the results show that we are playing well and he should remain.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2015 0:04:45 GMT
4 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss since playing alongside Whelan. If the team was playing awful overall and he was a major contributor to that then fair enough, but the results show that we are playing well and he should remain. Are we playing that well though? I don't think we are. Which is scary considering what we could be. And I see that as a positive and not a negative at all!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 10, 2015 0:06:27 GMT
Do we need better? Of course we do. What you've said about Adam generally and on Saturday in particular, is just a load of dog spunk though. It's not though. Most people to some extent seem to agree we have a hole in midfield. But because of the results it seems like that is ok. I don't think it is. We were overrun in there vs Watford because of him too, it's not a one off. It's not down to the quality of midfielder he was up against. It's down to him. I think that's been pretty obvious. People disagree.......ace that's what great about football but when you throw the stats in to back my opinion up he sure as shit isn't appearing to do much. He's playing slightly out of position and doing a fine job. We look a lot tighter in general and he is doing hugely better than van Ginkel ever did. Of course if we want to have a moan, our problems still lie at the other end of the pitch to where Adam now predominantly operates. 2 efforts on target again on Saturday and although Adam takes his share of the blame, the problems in reality lie elsewhere.
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Post by primmerz on Nov 10, 2015 0:08:54 GMT
4 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss since playing alongside Whelan. If the team was playing awful overall and he was a major contributor to that then fair enough, but the results show that we are playing well and he should remain. Are we playing that well though? I don't think we are. Which is scary considering what we could be. And I see that as a positive and not a negative at all! I agree, we have yet to see our full potential. I think Adam has been average so far in his new role but his job in my eyes is to get the ball quickly to our main play makers of Bojan, Arnie and Shaqiri and I think he's done that well. He does get beat easily at times but given time I think he can adjust well in a deep role with Whelan by his side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2015 0:10:07 GMT
It's not though. Most people to some extent seem to agree we have a hole in midfield. But because of the results it seems like that is ok. I don't think it is. We were overrun in there vs Watford because of him too, it's not a one off. It's not down to the quality of midfielder he was up against. It's down to him. I think that's been pretty obvious. People disagree.......ace that's what great about football but when you throw the stats in to back my opinion up he sure as shit isn't appearing to do much. He's playing slightly out of position and doing a fine job. We look a lot tighter in general and he is doing hugely better than van Ginkel ever did. Of course if we want to have a moan, our problems still lie at the other end of the pitch to where Adam now predominantly operates. 2 efforts on target again on Saturday and although Adam takes his share of the blame, the problems in reality lie elsewhere. I don't think he is but he is doing better than Van Ginkel. But that isn't hard. Again I disagree, the issues come from the transition being too slow and of that Adam is you'd expect the man to drag that from the doldrums, he just hasn't been doing it. I thought that's the side he'd nail tbh. Sort that transition out and we will create more chances. But our attacking midfielder (ie Bojan) needs to up his game too but is struggling for obvious reasons. Obviously it's not all Adam but I'm not going to start battering Walters too, not even I can be arsed with that much grief!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 10, 2015 0:23:34 GMT
He's playing slightly out of position and doing a fine job. We look a lot tighter in general and he is doing hugely better than van Ginkel ever did. Of course if we want to have a moan, our problems still lie at the other end of the pitch to where Adam now predominantly operates. 2 efforts on target again on Saturday and although Adam takes his share of the blame, the problems in reality lie elsewhere. I don't think he is but he is doing better than Van Ginkel. But that isn't hard. Again I disagree, the issues come from the transition being too slow and of that Adam is you'd expect the man to drag that from the doldrums, he just hasn't been doing it. I thought that's the side he'd nail tbh. Sort that transition out and we will create more chances. But our attacking midfielder (ie Bojan) needs to up his game too but is struggling for obvious reasons. Obviously it's not all Adam but I'm not going to start battering Walters too, not even I can be arsed with that much grief! So we weren't creating any chances before Adam came into a pretty restricted defensive role and we're still not creating any chances now Adam is playing in a pretty restricted defensive role and that's Adam fault. Still think you're talking utter shite myself.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2015 0:26:11 GMT
I don't think he is but he is doing better than Van Ginkel. But that isn't hard. Again I disagree, the issues come from the transition being too slow and of that Adam is you'd expect the man to drag that from the doldrums, he just hasn't been doing it. I thought that's the side he'd nail tbh. Sort that transition out and we will create more chances. But our attacking midfielder (ie Bojan) needs to up his game too but is struggling for obvious reasons. Obviously it's not all Adam but I'm not going to start battering Walters too, not even I can be arsed with that much grief! So we weren't creating any chances before Adam came into a pretty restricted defensive role and we're still not creating any chances now Adam is playing in a pretty restricted defensive role and that's Adam fault. Still think you're talking utter shite myself. Yes, like it was Van Ginkel's fault before him. It wasn't a restrictive role last season..........that's what we need. He's been missing in too many games this season. A central midfielder has to be signed in January.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 10, 2015 0:29:03 GMT
So we weren't creating any chances before Adam came into a pretty restricted defensive role and we're still not creating any chances now Adam is playing in a pretty restricted defensive role and that's Adam fault. Still think you're talking utter shite myself. A central midfielder has to be signed in January. Oh I agree entirely. To call Adam a passenger and the like is just completely fuckwitted though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2015 0:31:27 GMT
A central midfielder has to be signed in January. Oh I agree entirely. To call Adam a passenger and the like is just completely fuckwitted though. He has been though. It's what I've seen with my eyes, it's what the stats show. In the last two league home games running he might as well not have been on the pitch with the ease the opposition has got past him. He's offering absolutely sod all to the team.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 10, 2015 0:38:26 GMT
Oh I agree entirely. To call Adam a passenger and the like is just completely fuckwitted though. He has been though. It's what I've seen with my eyes, it's what the stats show. In the last two league home games running he might as well not have been on the pitch with the ease the opposition has got past him. He's offering absolutely sod all to the team. Utter cock rot. Great range of passing and extremely disciplined in both games. I thought some of the balls he played in the Watford abortion were one of the few bright spots. We had nearly 80% possession in the first half against Watford. Created fuck all. Not Adam's fault. Our real pressing issues lie elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 0:44:50 GMT
Oh I agree entirely. To call Adam a passenger and the like is just completely fuckwitted though. He has been though. It's what I've seen with my eyes, it's what the stats show. In the last two league home games running he might as well not have been on the pitch with the ease the opposition has got past him. He's offering absolutely sod all to the team. What do your stats show for the Villa And Swansea games when we controlled large parts of the game with Adam playing a really disciplined role alongside Whelan? Great that you're using stats to back up your argument now though, despite refusing to use them in the last 18 months when our defensive record had been absolutely sound so that you can berate most of our back four. When it suits that's your problem.......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2015 0:48:33 GMT
He has been though. It's what I've seen with my eyes, it's what the stats show. In the last two league home games running he might as well not have been on the pitch with the ease the opposition has got past him. He's offering absolutely sod all to the team. Utter cock rot. Great range of passing and extremely disciplined in both games. I thought some of the balls he played in the Watford abortion were one of the few bright spots. We had nearly 80% possession in the first half against Watford. Created fuck all. Not Adam's fault. Our real pressing issues lie elsewhere. Great range of passing? He made 1 long pass in the Chelsea home game that went to feet. I don't think he's shown that at all and that's a real disappointment. He has been disciplined but he's still getting run past like he isn't and is offering nothing defensively. Because it was slow ball that allowed their side to get back into position. Bojan was awful in that game too though and that obviously is an issue too. Get Diouf and a central midfielder with something about him in this side and it will be transformed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2015 0:54:09 GMT
He has been though. It's what I've seen with my eyes, it's what the stats show. In the last two league home games running he might as well not have been on the pitch with the ease the opposition has got past him. He's offering absolutely sod all to the team. What do your stats show for the Villa And Swansea games when we controlled large parts of the game with Adam playing a really disciplined role alongside Whelan? Great that you're using stats to back up your argument now though, despite refusing to use them in the last 18 months when our defensive record had been absolutely sound so that you can berate most of our back four. When it suits that's your problem....... The stats are for the season....... No it's when people can't see what's in front of them and then when it's presented to them they ignore it anyway. Like now. I haven't refused to use them, I use them when it's the last resort to back up what I'm seeing. Like the Moses thread I started when people were saying he was shit and he quite obviously wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 1:03:06 GMT
What do your stats show for the Villa And Swansea games when we controlled large parts of the game with Adam playing a really disciplined role alongside Whelan? Great that you're using stats to back up your argument now though, despite refusing to use them in the last 18 months when our defensive record had been absolutely sound so that you can berate most of our back four. When it suits that's your problem....... The stats are for the season....... No it's when people can't see what's in front of them and then when it's presented to them they ignore it anyway. Like now. I haven't refused to use them, I use them when it's the last resort to back up what I'm seeing. Like the Moses thread I started when people were saying he was shit and he quite obviously wasn't. The defensive stats were for the season (hilarious 7 year old girl rolly smiley face) but you still point blank refused to acknowledge that. Apparently goals conceded isn't a good gauge of defensive competence in Bayern's world......
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Post by Gods on Nov 10, 2015 1:06:46 GMT
Speaking of Van Ginkel, what has happened to him, has Sparky given up on the Belgian?
Any chance he will go back in January of have we signed up to the full season?
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