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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2015 2:53:19 GMT
I thought it was probably his poorest performance this season. I'm cutting him some slack because of the opposition and the result, but he just let Chelsea walk straight through him time after time. Given how popular it looks like that opinion will be, I think I shall keep my observation about Cameron getting turned around by Hazard too easily, too often to myself... Like I said earlier, I liked the Cameron sub, I thought it was the right thing to do but he did naff all in the game. And we both know your average Cameron fanboy loves a stat, so here we go. 3/4 passes.....not bad! Won 0 tackles. Lost 2 tackles. 0 interceptions 0 blocks 0 clearances 1 foul committed 1/1 aerial duels won. How's about that for an agenda!
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Post by stokefaninde on Nov 8, 2015 3:40:09 GMT
He was shite though and nobody has offered anything to suggest why he wasn't. Other than stuff that actually didn't happen. Its a team sport and our team shut out the defending champions. He plays in a position that protects the back four. Shouldn't that be sufficient in keeping him from getting a crap thread? I agree he didn't exactly play the game of his life today. He was largely quiet and gave up some fouls. He was also matching up against some of the very best in the sport.. Willian, Hazard, Costa (Cunt that he is) and company are the best money can buy... If you want someone to flash against them on a regular basis you may be setting your standards a bit high.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2015 3:44:44 GMT
He was shite though and nobody has offered anything to suggest why he wasn't. Other than stuff that actually didn't happen. Its a team sport and our team shut out the defending champions. He plays in a position that protects the back four. Shouldn't that be sufficient in keeping him from getting a crap thread? I agree he didn't exactly play the game of his life today. He was largely quiet and gave up some fouls. He was also matching up against some of the very best in the sport.. Willian, Hazard, Costa (Cunt that he is) and company are the best money can buy... If you want someone to flash against them on a regular basis you may be setting your standards a bit high. The defence were excellent but you didn't think it was an issue how Hazard and Willian had free reign at them? That was mainly down to Adam being AWOL. I don't think Costa is tbh. Willian and Hazard are good but they need to bin Costa, Remy should have started today, idiotic that he didn't. I didn't want flashyness. I wanted some fucker to tackle them/get near them. That's why I thought Cameron coming on there was a good idea at the time. He did fuck all too.
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Post by stokefaninde on Nov 8, 2015 3:57:13 GMT
I think Hazard and Willian are world class and have free reign over most they come across, let alone an offensive minded player playing in a defensive position. I like when Adam is placed into the role against lesser competition when he can give us another offensive option, but I think that gets lost against the top teams.. The problem was options. With Van Ginkel unavailable he was the only other tested option and Chelsea isn't the sort of squad you experiment with. I'd love to see Geoff in the role but you don't make that experiment with the defending champs, regardless of form.
I think anyone with a balanced opinion would concede that Adam would struggle in this match up playing in a defensive position and that we would need the back line to step up. We were fortunate they did!
Agreed on Costa. Remy gives us fits, and it may have been a different outcome if he started..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2015 4:03:38 GMT
They can do but they haven't been this season and I don't think either of them hurt us today where it matters ie the final third.
He hasn't been giving an offensive option all season though. He's just not been doing it, I thought he'd do far more going forward than he has.
Geoff came on and did as little as Adam, which I was very disappointed with because I thought he might have sured it up with his tackling but he didn't.
We need a midfielder.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Nov 8, 2015 4:04:30 GMT
Its a team sport and our team shut out the defending champions. He plays in a position that protects the back four. Shouldn't that be sufficient in keeping him from getting a crap thread? I agree he didn't exactly play the game of his life today. He was largely quiet and gave up some fouls. He was also matching up against some of the very best in the sport.. Willian, Hazard, Costa (Cunt that he is) and company are the best money can buy... If you want someone to flash against them on a regular basis you may be setting your standards a bit high. The defence were excellent but you didn't think it was an issue how Hazard and Willian had free reign at them? That was mainly down to Adam being AWOL. I don't think Costa is tbh. Willian and Hazard are good but they need to bin Costa, Remy should have started today, idiotic that he didn't. I didn't want flashyness. I wanted some fucker to tackle them/get near them. That's why I thought Cameron coming on there was a good idea at the time. He did fuck all too. Not sure why you're singling out Adam, didn't see anyone who could get anywhere near Willian or Hazard today....both of them we fantastic, Willian especially. Fortunately, they couldn't find an end product and we defended like warriors. Not Adam's best game, but certainly no reason for him to be getting slated. Player his part in a fantastic team performance, great three points and on to the next.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 8, 2015 4:07:10 GMT
Its a team sport and our team shut out the defending champions. He plays in a position that protects the back four. Shouldn't that be sufficient in keeping him from getting a crap thread? I agree he didn't exactly play the game of his life today. He was largely quiet and gave up some fouls. He was also matching up against some of the very best in the sport.. Willian, Hazard, Costa (Cunt that he is) and company are the best money can buy... If you want someone to flash against them on a regular basis you may be setting your standards a bit high. The defence were excellent but you didn't think it was an issue how Hazard and Willian had free reign at them? That was mainly down to Adam being AWOL. I don't think Costa is tbh. Willian and Hazard are good but they need to bin Costa, Remy should have started today, idiotic that he didn't. I didn't want flashyness. I wanted some fucker to tackle them/get near them. That's why I thought Cameron coming on there was a good idea at the time. He did fuck all too. Seasoned defenders like Shawcross have figured out it's so easy to wind Costa up. Once he's rattled he forgets that his main job is to score goals and turns into the proverbial village idiot.
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Post by stokefaninde on Nov 8, 2015 4:17:37 GMT
On another note today was the first time I could get my son to watch a match. I was ecstatic until I realized he was cheering for Chelsea.. He's a huge fan of the Ice Age movies, and liked "Diego" Costa and Paw Patrol, making him want to see Zouma... One of the dogs on the show is Zuma, the water dog... He lost interest when he realized Zouma didn't have a hovercraft.... kids...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 11:13:20 GMT
Get thesen a better internet stream fella! And i will say this again, do you ever take into consideration the players we play against? willian and hazzard two of the best players to be seen down here in many a year, Nobody could get the ball off them two and you slam Charlie, you just cant wait can you! get a fooking life pal! I was there thanks. He's a Premier League footballer, it's who he has to play against. And he wasn't very good, what did he actually do? And like I said Chelsea are 16th for a reason..........they're not very good. You can't become a bad team overnight but Chelsea seem to have managed it. Bojan was awful too and played his part in this. Chelsea are certainly not a bad team. They would have won if Remy started.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 11:18:31 GMT
Is this a similar problem to Glen Johnson, Cameron, Wolly, Afellay all of which have proved you wrong recently? I just don't think he's very good and he keeps showing why..... Johnson has been hit and miss.....bloody excellent tonight. I think Cameron has been toss all season. Wolly was brilliant tonight but wasn't up against a striker who wanted to score goals but still he dealt with his bullshit well. Fair play to him. Afellay-has played his first good game in a Stoke shirt. Well done to him! That's actually worse than benjaminbiscuit and at least he's got funny metaphors. You just come out with steaming horse shit.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 8, 2015 11:37:28 GMT
what an attention seeker you are Bayern.
6 pages of bullshit probably gives you a hard-on
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 8, 2015 11:47:40 GMT
I actually agree the midfield was overrun, but I take into account who it was against, willian and hazzard two of the best players to play at the brit in many a year but hey dont let facts get in the way of your constant moaning! I don't think Willian played that well tbh. He didn't harm us. Ditto Hazard, he got past our players and did nothing with it. I've checked the stats btw. He lost 4 tackles, won 0 tackles, 0 blocks and made 1 interception apparently. They kind of back me up..... And here's me thinking stats mean nothing. Who said that? Oh yeah, it was you!!! Wum.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 8, 2015 11:51:10 GMT
What did Adam actually do? Whelan stood up to it, he had to, Bojan and Adam were pretty much AWOL all game. We were getting run through down the middle with ease and he those pair having poor games were the reason. His passing was much better today.
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Post by hchpotter on Nov 8, 2015 12:19:03 GMT
Some people judge a player on what they see with their own eyes. Some prefer to judge on the stats section of football comics or websites. At half time six or seven of us discussed the first half and not one person commented negatively on Charlie's performance.
Did you see the reaction from the crowd when he was subbed? Standing ovation.
Charlie did OK yesterday playing against the champions of England.
Not outstanding. Certainly not worthy of a thread extending to several pages singling out his performance. Most posters seem to realise this but Bayern seems determined to boost his post count.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2015 12:25:59 GMT
If we're going to have it strictly right, Chelsea's two best chances came through Whelan. So fucking what. They are poorly performing team who still possess outstanding individual talent and they will come through you over the course of a game. Every one of our lot was a 7 at least. Crazy thread.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 8, 2015 12:26:36 GMT
I think its harsh to crtiicise him , not his natural position and the way we play really means that him and Whelan have a lot to do , is he as good as Nzonzi there no , have we improved defensively since he went there , most definateley , thought he did well yesterday against very good players to be fair
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2015 13:08:24 GMT
I don't think Willian played that well tbh. He didn't harm us. Ditto Hazard, he got past our players and did nothing with it. I've checked the stats btw. He lost 4 tackles, won 0 tackles, 0 blocks and made 1 interception apparently. They kind of back me up..... And here's me thinking stats mean nothing. Who said that? Oh yeah, it was you!!! Wum. Erm no. As a stand alone argument they do. I have given them context, I have used them to show people who are telling me he did stuff like making tackles that he actually didn't. Jesus H
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2015 13:11:17 GMT
Some people judge a player on what they see with their own eyes. Some prefer to judge on the stats section of football comics or websites. At half time six or seven of us discussed the first half and not one person commented negatively on Charlie's performance. Did you see the reaction from the crowd when he was subbed? Standing ovation. Charlie did OK yesterday playing against the champions of England. Not outstanding. Certainly not worthy of a thread extending to several pages singling out his performance. Most posters seem to realise this but Bayern seems determined to boost his post count. I haven't judged him on stats though have I? They've been merely used to show people who said he was making tackles that well no he didn't.....which is what I said. Post count? Do you actually believe that bollocks. Bojan was given one too, he was toss too. Like I said half the crowd appealed for offside off a throw in, I'm ok disagreeing with that.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 8, 2015 13:33:50 GMT
I thought it was probably his poorest performance this season. I'm cutting him some slack because of the opposition and the result, but he just let Chelsea walk straight through him time after time. Given how popular it looks like that opinion will be, I think I shall keep my observation about Cameron getting turned around by Hazard too easily, too often to myself... Like I said earlier, I liked the Cameron sub, I thought it was the right thing to do but he did naff all in the game. And we both know your average Cameron fanboy loves a stat, so here we go. 3/4 passes.....not bad! Won 0 tackles. Lost 2 tackles. 0 interceptions 0 blocks 0 clearances 1 foul committed 1/1 aerial duels won. How's about that for an agenda! Not the best stats, but remember that sometimes it's more important to fill the gaps and stop the opponent from getting into these spaces. The stats won't always tell everything, but could often be a good indicator. The last 15 minutes yesterday were a bit special though!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2015 13:41:33 GMT
Like I said earlier, I liked the Cameron sub, I thought it was the right thing to do but he did naff all in the game. And we both know your average Cameron fanboy loves a stat, so here we go. 3/4 passes.....not bad! Won 0 tackles. Lost 2 tackles. 0 interceptions 0 blocks 0 clearances 1 foul committed 1/1 aerial duels won. How's about that for an agenda! Not the best stats, but remember that sometimes it's more important to fill the gaps and stop the opponent from getting into these spaces. The stats won't always tell everything, but could often be a good indicator. The last 15 minutes yesterday were a bit special though! He didn't do that though and that really disappointed me because I quite like him for that role. The game completely passed him by.
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Post by hchpotter on Nov 8, 2015 13:49:06 GMT
Bavarian pancake I give up.
My opinion is wrong. The opinion of the guys I spoke to at half time is wrong. The thousands who stood to applaud Charlie off the pitch were wrong. Mark Hughes was wrong.
You are indeed 100% correct in your views at all times. On all subjects.
Please, oh Guru, excuse the error of my ways.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 8, 2015 13:58:16 GMT
Not the best stats, but remember that sometimes it's more important to fill the gaps and stop the opponent from getting into these spaces. The stats won't always tell everything, but could often be a good indicator. The last 15 minutes yesterday were a bit special though! He didn't do that though and that really disappointed me because I quite like him for that role. The game completely passed him by. Still needs time to adjust to that role.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2015 14:00:52 GMT
He didn't do that though and that really disappointed me because I quite like him for that role. The game completely passed him by. Still needs time to adjust to that role. He's meant to be a Premier League footballer who's one of his best attributes (so I'm told) is his versatility. That's a weak excuse and you know it.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 8, 2015 14:04:05 GMT
Still needs time to adjust to that role. He's meant to be a Premier League footballer who's one of his best attributes (so I'm told) is his versatility. That's a weak excuse and you know it. 15 minutes with the back to the wall and you think it sums him up as player? In addition he has been out with and injury for at least a fortnight! Excuses and excuses........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2015 14:05:26 GMT
He's meant to be a Premier League footballer who's one of his best attributes (so I'm told) is his versatility. That's a weak excuse and you know it. 15 minutes with the back to the wall and you think it sums him up as player? In addition he has been out with and injury for at least a fortnight! Excuses and excuses........ What? Where have I said it sums him up as a player? Why do people make stuff up? I said the game passed him by and he was poor.....he was.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 8, 2015 15:08:51 GMT
Bojan, though he was much improved 2nd half, and Walters were the only players to play poorly yesterday. The rest all had decent games, some were exceptional.
Reference Charlie, I actually thought he started the game very well but the lack of movement and hold up play from Walters and bojan meant his influence waned throughout. By the time he went off, he was on a booking and he was struggling to get in the game in a positive way.
He was rightly subbed but to be too critical of his display is harsh. He did plenty of good things throughout and once again put in a selfless, disciplined performance for the team.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Nov 8, 2015 15:44:18 GMT
Bojan, though he was much improved 2nd half, and Walters were the only players to play poorly yesterday. The rest all had decent games, some were exceptional. Reference Charlie, I actually thought he started the game very well but the lack of movement and hold up play from Walters and bojan meant his influence waned throughout. By the time he went off, he was on a booking and he was struggling to get in the game in a positive way. He was rightly subbed but to be too critical of his display is harsh. He did plenty of good things throughout and once again put in a selfless, disciplined performance for the team. +1 dave, the game did not 'completely pass Adam by' to quote one certain poster with way too much time on his hands. My god Bayern, did you actually go to bed last night or do you post in your sleep? Adam did what was required of him yesterday and good thing too, they have way too much attacking talent for him to do much else really. Bojan is still coming back from injury (worryingly limping at one stage after yet another crunching Chelsea tackle - how many times did Ramires bundle/smack him off the ball- with no protection from the ref?). Walters was not on it really and Terry had him in his pocket for most of the game. Final thought, there are lies, damned lies and statistics and then there is Bayern's footballing knowledge and viewpoint, which exceeds and surpasses that of all others. He has skilfully managed to catch us all on his hook and I for one have wasted another small chunk of what little time I have left on this planet being reeled in like a helpless common carp. Thanks Bayern was still a great day yesterday though, in LMH we trust!!!
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Post by thehoof on Nov 8, 2015 16:59:12 GMT
Any chance we can have a site all on it's own, just for the thoughts of Bayern? That way, we don't have to skip every second post to read something which adds to a debate rather than repeating the point which was originally made. He is our very own Jose Mourinho - 90% of people don't agree with him, but that's because they are wrong, and as the Special One, he is always correct. God help us when the friendly Gravity Crocodile returns because Bayern must have a few thousand negative comments ready for release.
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 8, 2015 17:02:52 GMT
Adam was fairly poor, exhibiting the traits we often see - rash challenges, hopeful hollywood passes and an alarmingly lack of an engine for a central midfielder. We have not replaced SNZ properly (it looks like we've, at least temporarily, given up on Van Ginkel), and we're muddling through with Charlie in there. January's priority is to properly fill that box to box role - do that and I'm happy, even if we sign no one else at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 17:04:01 GMT
Crikey. Adam was poor, Bojan was poor and Walters was poor yet we beat Chelsea?
The future is bright my friends.
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