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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2015 18:49:15 GMT
It's the manager's fault for not signing a central midfielder that can do the job we need in there. For once mate I totally agree with you. Whelan does a fantastic job as a defensive shield but we are crying out for someone with drive, pace and energy to play alongside him. We have all the pace of a milk float in the middle of the park. It was obvious what we needed, he signed Van Ginkel instead. It wasn't his best window.......
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Oct 31, 2015 18:49:18 GMT
I tell oh what lads We are fucking brilliant creating chance after chance scoring at will out Horne form is magnificent , we have kept all our best players invested huge funds and thank god our CEO has proved his word and we are at the next level our status is already guaranteed and our dinner jnvetmer has taken us way from. WBA , Leicester , Palace West Ham , Everton who all finished below is Does that feel Better ? By the way it's utter shit we sold our best player for chips only one summer signing. Has added any value at all to last years Squad and a benign first 11 games have yielded 13 points .including 3 points from Leicester . WBA , Watford , Newcastle ,norwich We are the lowest scorers in the league our keeper is our best player and we are barely above a point a game with 7 incredibly tough games to come . Self indulgent piss bag talking hoss shit. Soggy biscuit strikes again!
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Oct 31, 2015 18:50:11 GMT
Strange old season mate tbh but our away form is top draw results wise and like davef says we haven't conceded in the last 4 away games which for me i'd have never ever thought we were capable of doing a few weeks back. I think overall though we've looked pretty dreadful all season. Even mid week I don't think we played that well, we were just up against a really poor side and again had Butland to thank for not being 2 down before we scored. The clean sheets are good but I don't think they're down to organisation etc just the goalkeeper being on absolute top form. Which he has had to have been, which is worrying. Pretty dreadful and 13 points isn't bad mate but lets hope we can click soon and create some chances because at the minute we just don't look like scoring.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2015 18:50:14 GMT
Isn't that why Bojan is in there,to dictate and link our attacking play ? We need a man in there to link the attack and defence, unless you want Bojan picking the ball up from Shawcross?
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Oct 31, 2015 18:50:30 GMT
All the hallmarks of a bottom 5 team and a terrible summer where bargains shopping adds no value but the disposals make you weaker now there's a surprise . I can lend you a razor if you like. And don't worry, I don't want it back when you've finished punishing yourself..
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 31, 2015 18:53:49 GMT
We are Arsenal light. All very pretty but no threat at all. Walters was the pits today, bojan wasn't much better, Arnie did nowt and shaqiri either won't or can't shoot. Ricardo Fuller would have a field day in this side. We were miles better than them yet our goalkeeper was man of match. You work it out because I can't! Funny, this is exactly what I said.I attended the game. Everyone there felt we dominated butdidn't creatE much. Newcastle created the best 2 moments
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 31, 2015 18:57:37 GMT
It's the manager's fault for not signing a central midfielder that can do the job we need in there. For once mate I totally agree with you. Whelan does a fantastic job as a defensive shield but we are crying out for someone with drive, pace and energy to play alongside him. We have all the pace of a milk float in the middle of the park. Exactly. We have never been able to play from the back through the midfield since we arrived in the Premier League. Pulis went round it but Hughes is stuck in the more. I know everyone will say N'Zonzi but he slowed things up too. I thought Charlie would be the answer but he doesn't seem to be as yet and Bojan is now finding the reality of a long lay off and it will be Christmas before he is fully up to speed. Whelan's offensive play is limited, Tuesday was his first assist since when? Without doubt we need Diouf up top to stretch play and create more space and maybe this will give Charlie a target and create space for the wide men. For now I would be looking to play Shaq more centrally when Bojan tires.
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 31, 2015 18:58:35 GMT
I blame nzonzi
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Post by ayem on Oct 31, 2015 19:02:54 GMT
Too many of our players want too many touches instead of shifting it quickly. I haven't got a clue what Stephen Ireland has done but at the minute he should be starting. Bojan is way off the pace. Ireland keeps the ball moving. I'm sorry we are way too pedestrian and when Diouf doesn't start are totally devoid of real pace. Question: Why the hell did we sign Joselu? I've wondered about Ireland many times this year. Only logical thing I can think of his he either isn't trying in training our has run foul of Hughes.
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Post by ayem on Oct 31, 2015 19:04:57 GMT
Isn't that why Bojan is in there,to dictate and link our attacking play ? We need a man in there to link the attack and defence, unless you want Bojan picking the ball up from Shawcross? Does seem to be a disconnect between the midfield and attacking roles. Too often we rely on Shaqiri and Arnie to blast down the wind with no midfield up to help as targets.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 19:05:17 GMT
Isn't that why Bojan is in there,to dictate and link our attacking play ? We need a man in there to link the attack and defence, unless you want Bojan picking the ball up from Shawcross? He's done that before. It doesn't take a world beater to do what you're suggesting Adam isn't doing.I put it to you it's the lack of movement/options/the narrowness of our set up that is holding us back not 1 midfield position. If Bojan,Arnie and Shaq were performing like they're supposed to be capable of we could have Dean Whitehead in midfield and it wouldn't hold us back.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 19:05:54 GMT
We need a man in there to link the attack and defence, unless you want Bojan picking the ball up from Shawcross? Does seem to be a disconnect between the midfield and attacking roles. Too often we rely on Shaqiri and Arnie to blast down the wind with no midfield up to help as targets. 9 times out of 10 they turn back and pass the ball back to the fullbacks
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Post by ayem on Oct 31, 2015 19:09:38 GMT
Does seem to be a disconnect between the midfield and attacking roles. Too often we rely on Shaqiri and Arnie to blast down the wind with no midfield up to help as targets. 9 times out of 10 they turn back and pass the ball back to the fullbacks And often it's the best option. Only Walters as a target with three defenders gives them nothing. Bojan will offer a pass around the box, but it only gives time for all their defenders to get back...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2015 19:09:56 GMT
We need a man in there to link the attack and defence, unless you want Bojan picking the ball up from Shawcross? He's done that before. It doesn't take a world beater to do what you're suggesting Adam isn't doing.I put it to you it's the lack of movement/options/the narrowness of our set up that is holding us back not 1 midfield position. If Bojan,Arnie and Shaq were performing like they're supposed to be capable of we could have Dean Whitehead in midfield and it wouldn't hold us back. He has and it's a waste. It doesn't take a world beater but it takes a certain type of footballer and Adam isn't that, he panics and needs way too much time on the ball. They're not getting the ball because we can barely get it from front to back because there's no support from deep and they're not getting it there fast enough. Adam needs to do a hell of a lot more link wise with his play. How would they get the ball? The ball movement is piss poor and it helps no one. Combined with no Diouf up front and those flair players have no room to operate in and aren't getting the ball. They're not miracle workers.
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Post by turtlefox on Oct 31, 2015 19:11:54 GMT
Have we ever been prolific goal scores.
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Post by crouchie on Oct 31, 2015 19:26:27 GMT
Have we ever been prolific goal scores. maybe not but we've created more chances in the past than we are now
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Post by LDE76 on Oct 31, 2015 19:33:46 GMT
Dinner jnvetmer.
Is that something to do with the last tesrs what Palmer sold?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 31, 2015 19:34:15 GMT
Thought it was one of the best nil nillers I've seen for a while. Jonny could have bagged two or three, Johnson, Wollscheid and Arnie could have scored, Adam had a crack and I'm sure Bojan could have notched or got a free kick at least. We are creating chances. The ref set his stall out early and let the game flow as often as possible.
So far this season we've struggled to get any continuity with a striker. Obvious to say, but strikers generally benefit from a run of games. We havn't been able to do that. Diouf's start was interrupted by the international duties and his unforseen tragic personal circumstances. SJW stepped up and then got a groin strain. Crouchie was/is still getting over the groin op, so to my mind Joselu had to be chucked in prematurely. Without those injuries Jos could have continued with bench appearances and early Cup stuff. Hughes has been forced to rotate to the extent of giving Odemwingie a shout up top. No point giving Joselu the brickbats just yet, he's one for after Xmas once properly eased in. {£6m as a price tag shouldn't be used to weigh him down}. If someone can get and sustain a run as striker then hopefully the other stuff will also start click more often.
Looking increasingly resolute at the back which will create a fantastic platform for the myriad of quality attacking players to flourish. Great gritty point away from home to a team who can score, and were on the kickback from their Derby. And on the back of our Herculean effort on tuesday. I'm more than happy to take that. Brill enough in the grander scheme of things. Breaking the NE hoodoo.
Not arsed about over analysing our next run of fixtures, no fear of anyone, especially not the big guns.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 31, 2015 19:36:17 GMT
Only 9 all season. Level with bottom place Villa. Considering the strikers we've got that's pretty incredible. I really love Jonny Walters, but for me there is no doubt that Diouf is the answer. He will get close to 15 goals if he is to play 35 games for us.
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Post by borat on Oct 31, 2015 20:22:41 GMT
The way we play means we create very few chances in any game, pass, pass, pass for the sake of it. We haven't got a single player who can create his own magic out of nothing (like fuller could). We are a slow in possession team, not a fast paced team, on Tuesday we only had 2 shots on target I think and scored 1. The football is better but we still don't create many chances and I doubt we ever will.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 1:28:22 GMT
All the hallmarks of a bottom 5 team and a terrible summer where bargains shopping adds no value but the disposals make you weaker now there's a surprise . F*ck off you bellend. You know the square root of zero He's not far wrong is he? We're not creating much-fact. Our keeper is the busiest in the league-fact. Combine the two and it's surely a worrying situation? I think the team is weaker from last season too, so the summer was a bit terrible......
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Post by StatesideStokie on Nov 1, 2015 1:45:11 GMT
Thought it was one of the best nil nillers I've seen for a while. Jonny could have bagged two or three, Johnson, Wollscheid and Arnie could have scored, Adam had a crack and I'm sure Bojan could have notched or got a free kick at least. We are creating chances. The ref set his stall out early and let the game flow as often as possible. So far this season we've struggled to get any continuity with a striker. Obvious to say, but strikers generally benefit from a run of games. We havn't been able to do that. Diouf's start was interrupted by the international duties and his unforseen tragic personal circumstances. SJW stepped up and then got a groin strain. Crouchie was/is still getting over the groin op, so to my mind Joselu had to be chucked in prematurely. Without those injuries Jos could have continued with bench appearances and early Cup stuff. Hughes has been forced to rotate to the extent of giving Odemwingie a shout up top. No point giving Joselu the brickbats just yet, he's one for after Xmas once properly eased in. {£6m as a price tag shouldn't be used to weigh him down}. If someone can get and sustain a run as striker then hopefully the other stuff will also start click more often. Looking increasingly resolute at the back which will create a fantastic platform for the myriad of quality attacking players to flourish. Great gritty point away from home to a team who can score, and were on the kickback from their Derby. And on the back of our Herculean effort on tuesday. I'm more than happy to take that. Brill enough in the grander scheme of things. Breaking the NE hoodoo. Not arsed about over analysing our next run of fixtures, no fear of anyone, especially not the big guns. Nail on head, excellent post. For sure, there are a few problems that need to be addressed but we've had to deal with numerous changes not just up top, but at the back too. We've come through it relatively unscathed and I don't understand the doom mongery from some sections. We're pretty much in the same place we were at this stage of the season last year, with several new players still bedding in, Ryan coming back into the side, Diouf returning and Bojan slowly working his way back to fitness. Really looking forward to some big games coming up to be honest.
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Post by pottermouth on Nov 1, 2015 1:45:37 GMT
F*ck off you bellend. You know the square root of zero He's not far wrong is he? We're not creating much-fact. Our keeper is the busiest in the league-fact. Combine the two and it's surely a worrying situation? I think the team is weaker from last season too, so the summer was a bit terrible...... I disagree.. The defence has tightened up considerably, the best striker Diouf is to come back, Arnie has been great, Boyan is not back to his best yet and Shaqiri is class when he shows it. They will gel in time but it is true Butland is saving us too often so far. To say we are bottom 5 is nonsense.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 1:49:05 GMT
He's not far wrong is he? We're not creating much-fact. Our keeper is the busiest in the league-fact. Combine the two and it's surely a worrying situation? I think the team is weaker from last season too, so the summer was a bit terrible...... I disagree.. The defence has tightened up considerably, the best striker Diouf is to come back, Arnie has been great, Boyan is not back to his best yet and Shaqiri is class when he shows it. They will gel in time but it is true Butland is saving us too often so far. To say we are bottom 5 is nonsense. They're still a brainfart away from conceding though and that brainfart is never far around the corner. Diouf coming back is back, Arnie has been good in fits and starts-I think he could be a lot better, Bojan looks months away to me, Shaq needs time. I'm not sure it is. I can see us finishing 15th.
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Post by abdylilah on Nov 1, 2015 1:58:04 GMT
I disagree.. The defence has tightened up considerably, the best striker Diouf is to come back, Arnie has been great, Boyan is not back to his best yet and Shaqiri is class when he shows it. They will gel in time but it is true Butland is saving us too often so far. To say we are bottom 5 is nonsense. They're still a brainfart away from conceding though and that brainfart is never far around the corner. Diouf coming back is back, Arnie has been good in fits and starts-I think he could be a lot better, Bojan looks months away to me, Shaq needs time. I'm not sure it is. I can see us finishing 15th. FFS Bayern, what has happened to you? Used to quite enjoy reading your mainly thoughtful and considered opinions. (Yes, a tad negative but at least a bit balanced) now you are basically Benji's little bitch!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 2:04:37 GMT
They're still a brainfart away from conceding though and that brainfart is never far around the corner. Diouf coming back is back, Arnie has been good in fits and starts-I think he could be a lot better, Bojan looks months away to me, Shaq needs time. I'm not sure it is. I can see us finishing 15th. FFS Bayern, what has happened to you? Used to quite enjoy reading your mainly thoughtful and considered opinions. (Yes, a tad negative but at least a bit balanced) now you are basically Benji's little bitch! What have I said that's wrong? We can't attack and that doesn't look like changing. Our defence is prone to errors. The transfer window was obviously a poor one, I've been moaning about that for ages. Too many players that we didn't overly need were signed and we didn't replace our player of the season. We also didn't replace our imo best attacker of last season in Moses. If you believe all of that (I do), why would you sugar coat it? Especially when we haven't played particularly well this season, our side lacks pace, the defence still makes stupid errors and the midfield isn't functioning as it should and needs to be. We have a bloody good side on paper still but it isn't playing like one. And it's weaker than last seasons.
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Post by abdylilah on Nov 1, 2015 2:12:21 GMT
FFS Bayern, what has happened to you? Used to quite enjoy reading your mainly thoughtful and considered opinions. (Yes, a tad negative but at least a bit balanced) now you are basically Benji's little bitch! What have I said that's wrong? We can't attack and that doesn't look like changing. Our defence is prone to errors. The transfer window was obviously a poor one, I've been moaning about that for ages. Too many players that we didn't overly need were signed and we didn't replace our player of the season. We also didn't replace our imo best attacker of last season in Moses. If you believe all of that (I do), why would you sugar coat it? Especially when we haven't played particularly well this season, our side lacks pace, the defence still makes stupid errors and the midfield isn't functioning as it should and needs to be. We have a bloody good side on paper still but it isn't playing like one. And it's weaker than last seasons. 2 ways of saying things mate... Before you used to be more balanced and would be constructive. Now you just moan (your words) and criticise. Don't fall into Benji's attention seeking trap and become a figure of fun.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 2:16:44 GMT
What have I said that's wrong? We can't attack and that doesn't look like changing. Our defence is prone to errors. The transfer window was obviously a poor one, I've been moaning about that for ages. Too many players that we didn't overly need were signed and we didn't replace our player of the season. We also didn't replace our imo best attacker of last season in Moses. If you believe all of that (I do), why would you sugar coat it? Especially when we haven't played particularly well this season, our side lacks pace, the defence still makes stupid errors and the midfield isn't functioning as it should and needs to be. We have a bloody good side on paper still but it isn't playing like one. And it's weaker than last seasons. 2 ways of saying things mate... Before you used to be more balanced and would be constructive. Now you just moan (your words) and criticise. Don't fall into Benji's attention seeking trap and become a figure of fun. I don't see how any of that isn't constructive? I've always moaned and criticised, see Danny Collins, see Danny Pugh, see Dean "fucking" Whitehead etc Nothing has changed. I say what I think, I don't give a fuck what others think about that and that's the way it will always be. Atm people seem to be falling into the trap we had under TP when the manager could never be wrong. I find it most unhealthy. Especially when the team are clearly playing poorly.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 1, 2015 2:40:55 GMT
Bayern: you seem to be spreading the love pretty evenly today probably because your usual victim (Cameron) is injured. LOL. Actually, I have been saying this consistently since the first few games of the season. The defense is a bit shaky but they are holding on and haven't conceeded more than two goals a game all season. Mostly clean sheets or 1 goal. I am still asking when/where the goals are going to come from. The problem is not one single player, it's the tactics. Despite having pace and quickness (Bojan, Arnie and Shaq) in mid-field, we are easy to defend because our build up is slow and we play reverse wingers that cut inside too much and bottle up the middle. The pace was a bit better today and I was encouraged that Bojan, Arnie and Shaq switched around. However, we didn't get to the by-line enough and fire in crosses - all very predictable. We're not good enough to beat anyone with this slow tippy-tappy stuff because it needs to be mixed up with quick a burst of speed or penetrating through ball. The arguments about who's the best striker (Diouf, Joselu, Crouch or Walters) are pretty much academic if they don't get the service. Might as well play six in mid-field and take shots from outside the box. As I said, it was a bit better today and apparently Tuesday (I didn't see it) but it's only baby-steps And let's not forget who we were playing.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 1, 2015 8:20:10 GMT
The sooner we stop fucking diouf about playing him here there and everywhere the better as well.
Stick him up front and leave him there
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