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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2015 14:34:20 GMT
Ignoring all the actual detail about length of contract, who is right, who is wrong, the latest comments from Mark Hughes seem to suggest that Hughes himself is at odds with the clubs stance on this one, which to be honest, is more concerning to me than the actual situation with Walters.
If losing Walters pisses Hughes off, I'd say give him the length of contract he wants just to keep the manager happy.
An over-reaction on my part maybe but when I saw Hughes comments on SKY late last night, I thought it was pretty clear that it isn't only Walters who is at odds with the club over that particular contract situation.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2015 14:44:29 GMT
Ignoring all the actual detail about length of contract, who is right, who is wrong, the latest comments from Mark Hughes seem to suggest that Hughes himself is at odds with the clubs stance on this one, which to be honest, is more concerning to me than the actual situation with Walters. If losing Walters pisses Hughes off, I'd say give him the length of contract he wants just to keep the manager happy. An over-reaction on my part maybe but when I saw Hughes comments on SKY late last night, I thought it was pretty clear that it isn't only Walters who is at odds with the club over that particular contract situation. They did with Crouchy and that's going well........ Could he do for another manager?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 14:47:40 GMT
Ignoring all the actual detail about length of contract, who is right, who is wrong, the latest comments from Mark Hughes seem to suggest that Hughes himself is at odds with the clubs stance on this one, which to be honest, is more concerning to me than the actual situation with Walters. If losing Walters pisses Hughes off, I'd say give him the length of contract he wants just to keep the manager happy. An over-reaction on my part maybe but when I saw Hughes comments on SKY late last night, I thought it was pretty clear that it isn't only Walters who is at odds with the club over that particular contract situation. That's a big part of it for me too. Hughes is proving to be a very astute player in the transfer market - but if we start fannying around with valued squad members for the sake of a relatively small amount of money, or a few months here or there (or if we lose out on a transfer target for the same reason), we risk a loss of patience. Nobody is advocating going wild, just a sensible, flexible approach from all sides.
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Post by borat on Oct 30, 2015 15:23:47 GMT
It's not the end of the world if Walters goes, whilst he's done better under Hughes he's still no world beater and Diouf did a great job up top last season. Still prefer him stay mind and he's much MUCH better than Joseluwank.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 30, 2015 15:30:09 GMT
I think hes worth keeping for another season for sure, but 2 seasons? Just because hes playing well now and on-form thats a lot to expect he can still do it when hes 34.
If he is still our main striker in 2 years time then we will have regressed on the pitch
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 30, 2015 15:36:34 GMT
I really can't see why the club won't give Jon another 2 years as I'm sure clubs newly promoted or top Championship clubs would come in for him if isn't getting any game time for us any more. Just give him the 2-year-contract as it will be a plus for the club in so many ways.
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Post by stokey127 on Oct 30, 2015 16:04:40 GMT
Ignoring all the actual detail about length of contract, who is right, who is wrong, the latest comments from Mark Hughes seem to suggest that Hughes himself is at odds with the clubs stance on this one, which to be honest, is more concerning to me than the actual situation with Walters. If losing Walters pisses Hughes off, I'd say give him the length of contract he wants just to keep the manager happy. An over-reaction on my part maybe but when I saw Hughes comments on SKY late last night, I thought it was pretty clear that it isn't only Walters who is at odds with the club over that particular contract situation. Good point made.
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 30, 2015 17:16:52 GMT
I never get tired of watching that
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2015 17:24:31 GMT
I really can't see why the club won't give Jon another 2 years as I'm sure clubs newly promoted or top Championship clubs would come in for him if isn't getting any game time for us any more. Just give him the 2-year-contract as it will be a plus for the club in so many ways. We've offered him 2 years (a one year extension to his existing 1 year contract). He was 3 years, which we aren't prepared, at this stage to offer him. It wouldn't surprise me to see us offer him a 2 year contract at the end of his existing contract but that seems like a bit of unnecessary brinksmanship. If we are going to do that, and if Hughes wants to keep him (which he clearly does) then get him tied down to the length of contract both player and manager will be happy with.
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Post by Sven on Oct 30, 2015 17:38:31 GMT
Personally i'd give him another 2 year deal on top of when this one expires. We know what he can do and that's not going to change, not blessed with great skill or pace but got the lungs of a whale and the strength of an ox to go with an attitude, we as fans wish all footballers had. We've spunked so much money on the Kitsons and Palacios's of this world not knowing what they were going to produce on the pitch. (which was ultimately fuck all) Giving John another 2 seasons after this one is a no brainer for me unless he's wanting absolutely stupid wages of course.
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Post by jeycov on Oct 30, 2015 17:43:07 GMT
Whatever detail is in the contract proposals / demands, the club could do with getting it sorted before the January transfer window.
I can see that the club don't want to send out a message that they will be "held to ransom" by any one particular player, but surely good management is about negotiation and it would appear that Jon wants to stay. Good PR for the club if the situation is resolved amicably without upsetting the rest of the squad
A win against Sheffield Wednesday and a Capital One Cup semi final may have a bit of sway with Walters re staying here?
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 30, 2015 17:55:54 GMT
I think hes worth keeping for another season for sure, but 2 seasons? Just because hes playing well now and on-form thats a lot to expect he can still do it when hes 34. If he is still our main striker in 2 years time then we will have regressed on the pitch The club should recognise his contribution to our present position over a very long period of time . If he gets a bonus year from us good luck to him
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 30, 2015 20:21:03 GMT
I really can't see why the club won't give Jon another 2 years as I'm sure clubs newly promoted or top Championship clubs would come in for him if isn't getting any game time for us any more. Just give him the 2-year-contract as it will be a plus for the club in so many ways. We've offered him 2 years (a one year extension to his existing 1 year contract). He was 3 years, which we aren't prepared, at this stage to offer him. It wouldn't surprise me to see us offer him a 2 year contract at the end of his existing contract but that seems like a bit of unnecessary brinksmanship. If we are going to do that, and if Hughes wants to keep him (which he clearly does) then get him tied down to the length of contract both player and manager will be happy with. The have already offered him a 12 month extension with the option of a further 12 months based on appearances no 3 year contract has been offered or asked for what so ever. All Jon wants is the 2 years without clauses.
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Walters
Oct 30, 2015 21:37:49 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2015 21:37:49 GMT
We've offered him 2 years (a one year extension to his existing 1 year contract). He was 3 years, which we aren't prepared, at this stage to offer him. It wouldn't surprise me to see us offer him a 2 year contract at the end of his existing contract but that seems like a bit of unnecessary brinksmanship. If we are going to do that, and if Hughes wants to keep him (which he clearly does) then get him tied down to the length of contract both player and manager will be happy with. The have already offered him a 12 month extension with the option of a further 12 months based on appearances no 3 year contract has been offered or asked for what so ever. All Jon wants is the 2 years without clauses. At the time of negotiating, that 2 year, no clause contract was effectively 3 years as he wanted his existing year + 2 extra whereas the club offered him his existing year + 1 more then the option of a 3rd subject to clauses being met during year 2. Either way, Hughes seemed to be at odds with the clubs stance on Walters contract and that, to me at least, is concerning.
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Oct 30, 2015 21:48:45 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 30, 2015 21:48:45 GMT
You can't balms Hughes he clearly sees the risk and has broke. Cover as much as he dare its up to the suits now .
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Post by whydelilah on Oct 30, 2015 21:58:33 GMT
I'd give him another 5 years.
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Post by no1972 on Oct 30, 2015 22:09:43 GMT
The manager should have the final say on contracts and transfers,if clubs want to hold managers to account on results then the manager should have the right to say I want him to stay or I don't,MH as said on record he wants SJW to be part of his plans,maybe because at this moment in time he his more reliable than our 12million pound signing or our 6 million pound signing.
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 30, 2015 22:29:18 GMT
You can't balms Hughes he clearly sees the risk and has broke. Cover as much as he dare its up to the suits now . What?
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Walters
Oct 30, 2015 22:39:54 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Oct 30, 2015 22:39:54 GMT
Not really. He was surrounded by players who were also among the best in their generation. Walters is less injury prone and just as important to us. You're a mug if you'd risk losing him for nothing What's happened to your adage about spending other peoples money? With the money we'd spend on Walters who would you replace him with
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Post by elystokie on Oct 30, 2015 22:45:31 GMT
So give a contract to a bloke until he'll virtually be 36................nah! He's not a pace player, Giggs was and look at his contract... We'd miss him if he left, his attributes are difficult to replace on the cheap. We didn't miss him when he got banned season before last, we played our way out of a bit of a slump and won 3 on the bounce. I'm not saying we shouldn't try and keep him, he's on form at the moment and long may that continue but he's far from indispensable in my opinion.
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 30, 2015 22:55:30 GMT
We have a history of giving average players way passed their sell by date extensions to their contract for what seems like no sensible footballing reasons. If I was Jon I too would be playing hardball
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Oct 30, 2015 23:12:00 GMT
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Post by ChesterStokie on Oct 30, 2015 23:12:00 GMT
Just because Hughes wants to get him signed up doesn't mean he should get a 2 year extension. In all probability Hughes feels he has something to offer for one more season after this one. It doesn't matter to Hughes if we have to pay him for one more season after that even if he is not used, because Hughes is not paying the bill.
Also I think the club probably think they have made a mistake with the Crouch contract and don't want to repeat that mistake.
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 30, 2015 23:12:19 GMT
The have already offered him a 12 month extension with the option of a further 12 months based on appearances no 3 year contract has been offered or asked for what so ever. All Jon wants is the 2 years without clauses. At the time of negotiating, that 2 year, no clause contract was effectively 3 years as he wanted his existing year + 2 extra whereas the club offered him his existing year + 1 more then the option of a 3rd subject to clauses being met during year 2. Either way, Hughes seemed to be at odds with the clubs stance on Walters contract and that, to me at least, is concerning. Yes mate he still has the one year remaining so he already has that so in essence all he wants is a two year deal no strings. And like you me and many many others give the man a deal what the hell we have got to lose is jack shit to what he will and i mean will offer!
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Post by crowey on Oct 31, 2015 7:15:20 GMT
Good squad member. Sign him up. Won't break the bank
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Oct 31, 2015 7:38:58 GMT
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Oct 31, 2015 7:38:58 GMT
Definitely earned his contract. We really should keep him, the man never stops proving his critics wrong.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 31, 2015 10:42:49 GMT
The true test for the club will be if WBA offer £3 million in January Given the current stances john will want to go , hughes will want to offer him a new deal and Scholes will want the money .
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 31, 2015 10:50:19 GMT
Personally i'd give him another 2 year deal on top of when this one expires. We know what he can do and that's not going to change, not blessed with great skill or pace but got the lungs of a whale and the strength of an ox to go with an attitude, we as fans wish all footballers had. We've spunked so much money on the Kitsons and Palacios's of this world not knowing what they were going to produce on the pitch. (which was ultimately fuck all) Giving John another 2 seasons after this one is a no brainer for me unless he's wanting absolutely stupid wages of course. Got to agree, he could be our Dean Windass? who was never quick but a good engine and a physique that intimidates .
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