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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 2:00:08 GMT
*In response to another thread*
First of all, hands up. I got it wrong earlier in the week when I posted on this site upon my return from Swansea saying what a great spirit we had at the club (and even received a lot of credit for it).
It makes sense now to be honest, 400 hardcore fans at Swansea whom I am by no means making a martyr of because I know there are a good 4,000 or so who would turn out home and away if circumstance would allow it. Who are intelligent enough and are passionate enough to see the bigger picture, see beyond blips like today, respect our manager and players, acknowledge the fact that we have just had a great little run and days like today simply happen in football.
I make no excuses for today, it was shit. What I make ABSOLUTELY no excuse for is the horrendous, negative and quite frankly unintelligent disrespect of our players and outstanding manager in light of today, as seen at the ground, on Praise and fucking Shambles and on this hell hole of a message board.
1) I invite anyone to justify our own fans going fucking wild at Marc Wilson at the ground today, who quite simply had a terrible day at the office. Who honestly thinks in between their thick fucking skulls that that bloke wanted to have a howler today and deserved to see people in the crowd raging at him?
2) Which brings me on to the fact, the players need to do their bit, granted. What about our bit? Our atmosphere was fucking shocking today. Absolutely dreadful. A far cry from those at Swansea, Villa, Spurs who drove the team on to impressive results. The whole ground stunk of complacency today and trust me, that doesn't just come from the players. Absolute prawn sandwich brigade today at the Britannia, clap when you're winning. Moan like fuck when things don't go your way. Too many hobby seekers, which I will happily admit makes me look a tit cause i posted all that super positive shit after Swansea.
3) Some people really don't know the first thing about football, not talking about playing on a computer game and knowing your 4-2-3-1 from your 5-3-2. If you can't see the potential in our squad, in our manager and in our club and you would rather spout negative shite at the match and elsewhere, you should be playing boules on a Saturday afternoon. These things happen, everyone is beating everyone in the league at the minute and the fact of the matter is, if we'd have lost 1-0 at Swansea and won 2-0 today, no one would be saying anything.
WISE UP and as for those who are with me, bring on next weekend I say!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 2:36:00 GMT
Superb post.
JCL's, prawn sandwich, braying donkeys & clapping seals.
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Post by cooper67 on Oct 25, 2015 2:50:26 GMT
Is that The Regent in your avatar?
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Post by StatesideStokie on Oct 25, 2015 4:37:05 GMT
Nailed it. The most sense I've read on here all day.
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Post by trigger on Oct 25, 2015 6:46:43 GMT
In reply to point 1. I was right in front of Wilson's absolute fcuk up and I called the mistake a split second before he made it, his thinking was that slow/predictable.
His whole game yesterday was an embarrassment, it was without doubt an all time low for me since we've been in the Premier League.
It's a proffesionial game and what I witnessed yesterday was not a professional plying his trade, there's a major mistake coming our way every time he steps on the pitch.
Enough's enough with him now and yes I did boo him as did hundreds of others in blocks 30 - 32.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 6:53:07 GMT
In reply to point 1. I was right in front of Wilson's absolute fcuk up and I called the mistake a split second before he made it, his thinking was that slow/predictable. His whole game yesterday was an embarrassment, it was without doubt an all time low for me since we've been in the Premier League. It's a proffesionial game and what I witnessed yesterday was not a professional plying his trade, there's a major mistake coming our way every time he steps on the pitch. Enough's enough with him now and yes I did boo him as did hundreds of others in blocks 30 - 32. I think overall it was a reaction aimed at the tippy tippy nature of our performance and unfortunately Wilson mistake was the straw that broke the camels back. Im really not enjoying this season to be honest. |
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Post by mrred on Oct 25, 2015 7:06:17 GMT
The reaction he evoked was justified. It was far from the first fuck up he made and one that lead to the death of the game. The booing however was not, I thought we were better than that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 7:10:50 GMT
Humphrey you are a superb, intelligent poster.
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Post by bingbang on Oct 25, 2015 7:29:14 GMT
For me the real problem today was the arrogance of the team. It was as though we just had to turn up to beat Watford. Fortunately the premier league doesn't allow this on any given day any team can beat another that's what makes it the most watched league in the world. So come on Stoke lets starting treating every game like a cup final its what the fans want and deserve.
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Post by mrred on Oct 25, 2015 7:38:09 GMT
People were no different on here though we're they? Supporters are just as bad at believing our own hype. Won a few games on the bounce and Watford at home is, to quote Paul Merson "the banker of the weekend". It was always going to happen after watching that first half hour.
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 25, 2015 7:49:14 GMT
It was always likely. I said after Swansea, be careful, Watford are in this league on merit and will be no pushover. And so it turned out.
However, it's one game. We lost it, but even great teams lose games. Onwards and upwards.
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Post by trigger on Oct 25, 2015 7:51:44 GMT
Individuals make invidual mistakes but Hughes yesterday was massively to blame, in fact wholey to blame.
That was an embarrassment on the grandest of scales, absolutely pathetic from the man, pointless, useless 95 minutes of my life.
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 25, 2015 8:22:37 GMT
There is great potential in our team, it is possibly the best squad we have had for years. You don't need to be a football genius to see that. The problem is that potential doesn't win games unless it is released. We had the talent to win today but Watford had the better plan and will to win.
As long as we use it as a wake-up call it will have been worthwhile. The defence made mistakes but the attack not converting 72% possession in the first half into goals was the real problem.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 25, 2015 8:28:42 GMT
I can't say I heard huge amounts of abuse for Wilson at the game and would never boo any of our players myself. The only people who would are idiots and people who started turning up after the bloody cup final. I thought the boos at the end were fucking shitty and out of order considering it's Sparkys 100th game.
However, as a supporter, I reserve the right to at least pass judgement after the game on the players performance and in my opinion, we don't concede those goals if Cameron stays on.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 25, 2015 8:30:08 GMT
Individuals make invidual mistakes but Hughes yesterday was massively to blame, in fact wholey to blame. That was an embarrassment on the grandest of scales, absolutely pathetic from the man, pointless, useless 95 minutes of my life. I don't agree. I thought his team selection was fine but he was forced to take off his only consistent centre back. |
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Post by cerebralstokie on Oct 25, 2015 8:31:10 GMT
Watford wanted it more than we did. They came with a game plan which worked brilliantly for them. We did not have a plan B.O.K. we learn from this and move on. It will be interesting to see how we perform at Newcastle who seem to be finding a bit of form but who still have weaknesses at the back.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 25, 2015 8:34:53 GMT
There's an inevitability about our slump into the type of atmosphere most mid table (even many, if not all, top clubs) have in the Premier League.
For a while the crowd was different. Unique. A massive factor at home.
Unfortunately the Premier League has worked it's "magic" and the thrill of competing to finish 8, 9, 10, etc is wearing thin.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 25, 2015 8:38:45 GMT
Is that The Regent in your avatar? We've been here before. It's that pub down Pool Dam, just before the Silverdale Rd |
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Post by block22stokie on Oct 25, 2015 8:39:24 GMT
In reply to point 1. I was right in front of Wilson's absolute fcuk up and I called the mistake a split second before he made it, his thinking was that slow/predictable. His whole game yesterday was an embarrassment, it was without doubt an all time low for me since we've been in the Premier League. It's a proffesionial game and what I witnessed yesterday was not a professional plying his trade, there's a major mistake coming our way every time he steps on the pitch. Enough's enough with him now and yes I did boo him as did hundreds of others in blocks 30 - 32. The booing was embarrassing, all the people that booed will jump straight back on the bandwagon next week if we beat Newcastle. We lost, it happens. |
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Post by whydelilah on Oct 25, 2015 8:41:49 GMT
1) the atmosphere generated by the fans is a direct reflection of what the players are delivering on the pitch. If the players are dire and uninspiring then the fans will understandably be quieter than normal.
2) if people want to leave the ground early in disgust then that's their perogative. The likelihood is they've just grafted all week to earn a modest wage which enables them to pay the bills and hopefully have enough left over to attend the game at the weekend. If said team, comprising players that have earned in that week what most don't earn in a year, complete let the fans down then they should expect any flack that comes their way, and that includes fans leaving early. They're in incredibly priveleged positions. They should be held accountable when they are as shit as they were yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 8:45:11 GMT
Those people who are truly pissed off surely can't have been watching stoke for long! Come on lads it's typical stoke, go 4 on the bounce, start to look world beaters then Watford stroll into town and it's a case of turning up and making it 5 on the bounce ain't it??.....but this is stoke! We've always fucked up in these games. The minute I heard troy deeney hadn't scored was a tip in itself to lump on he would score down here! It's typical bloody stoke! Now get your cash on us going on another 6/7 game unbeaten run, and it will tie in with palace at home where we will cock it up. Some things change but scfc charity will always remain!
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Oct 25, 2015 8:47:47 GMT
How can the same team that won away at Swansea play so badly when they play at home? I dont single players out. Watford deserved to win we were awful today and wouldnt have won with a performance like that. We need to move on now put things right.
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Post by alansuddick on Oct 25, 2015 8:55:49 GMT
1) the atmosphere generated by the fans is a direct reflection of what the players are delivering on the pitch. If the players are dire and uninspiring then the fans will understandably be quieter than normal. 2) if people want to leave the ground early in disgust then that's their perogative. The likelihood is they've just grafted all week to earn a modest wage which enables them to pay the bills and hopefully have enough left over to attend the game at the weekend. If said team, comprising players that have earned in that week what most don't earn in a year, complete let the fans down then they should expect any flack that comes their way, and that includes fans leaving early. They're in incredibly priveleged positions. They should be held accountable when they are as shit as they were yesterday. The 14000 in the ground are probably the people who were there before the prem, and will be here when we go down, wankers getting up and going on 75 minutes, why bother going to a game when you dont even wait for the result.and dont get me started on booing your own team.appalling u sound like the type who does both.yes youve paid your money.but keep it in your pocket or fcuk off up vale. |
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Post by whydelilah on Oct 25, 2015 8:58:24 GMT
1) the atmosphere generated by the fans is a direct reflection of what the players are delivering on the pitch. If the players are dire and uninspiring then the fans will understandably be quieter than normal. 2) if people want to leave the ground early in disgust then that's their perogative. The likelihood is they've just grafted all week to earn a modest wage which enables them to pay the bills and hopefully have enough left over to attend the game at the weekend. If said team, comprising players that have earned in that week what most don't earn in a year, complete let the fans down then they should expect any flack that comes their way, and that includes fans leaving early. They're in incredibly priveleged positions. They should be held accountable when they are as shit as they were yesterday. The 14000 in the ground are probably the people who were there before the prem, and will be here when we go down, wankers getting up and going on 75 minutes, why bother going to a game when you dont even wait for the result.and dont get me started on booing your own team.appalling u sound like the type who does both.yes youve paid your money.but keep it in your pocket or fcuk off up vale. I was one of the 14000 pal. And I don't leave early. I don't get my knickers in a twist of those who do though. |
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Post by stantheman on Oct 25, 2015 9:02:26 GMT
For me the real problem today was the arrogance of the team. It was as though we just had to turn up to beat Watford. Fortunately the premier league doesn't allow this on any given day any team can beat another that's what makes it the most watched league in the world. So come on Stoke lets starting treating every game like a cup final its what the fans want and deserve. The word 'Arrogance'was used be me a couple of times yesterday. Too many players thinking they were gods gift. Wilson fucked up big style, but why did Butland roll the ball out to him instead of launching it up to Crouch? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 9:18:15 GMT
1) the atmosphere generated by the fans is a direct reflection of what the players are delivering on the pitch. If the players are dire and uninspiring then the fans will understandably be quieter than normal. 2) if people want to leave the ground early in disgust then that's their perogative. The likelihood is they've just grafted all week to earn a modest wage which enables them to pay the bills and hopefully have enough left over to attend the game at the weekend. If said team, comprising players that have earned in that week what most don't earn in a year, complete let the fans down then they should expect any flack that comes their way, and that includes fans leaving early. They're in incredibly priveleged positions. They should be held accountable when they are as shit as they were yesterday. The 14000 in the ground are probably the people who were there before the prem, and will be here when we go down, wankers getting up and going on 75 minutes, why bother going to a game when you dont even wait for the result.and dont get me started on booing your own team.appalling u sound like the type who does both.yes youve paid your money.but keep it in your pocket or fcuk off up vale. Can we put this shit to bed, I was one of the 14,000 as were the 5 people I was sat with. We were pissed off, frustrated, annoyed and went after 83 minutes. Not that I or anyone should have to justify there actions. Get off your fucking high horse..... |
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Post by uknorse on Oct 25, 2015 9:21:37 GMT
It was always likely. I said after Swansea, be careful, Watford are in this league on merit and will be no pushover. And so it turned out. However, it's one game. We lost it, but even great teams lose games. Onwards and upwards. great teams dont lose in the fashion we lost yesterday, gutless, leaderless, inept, no one wanted responsibility..... it was like watching your daughters boyfriend fuck her up the arse in your living room, then have him wipe his nob clean on your shirt as he finishes..... not a single player, member of the management/coaching staff can come out of yesterday blameless, all this shit about how there front 2 did a job on our back 4/ shakiri is struggling to get into areas he wants....is total bollocks, a championship side who came to get a point took the piss out of our total lack of basic ideas yesterday. to lose is one thing....it happens, to lose without a single shot on goal in 90 minutes at home.....is another ..... yes its a bad day at the office, but it looked a lot more than that to me from my seat..... they now need to man up and put a shift in tuesday, and more importantly, saturday. depending on todays result in the tyne/wear derby, u could either walk into a graveyard, or a cauldron...the players need to be prepared for either. |
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Post by alansuddick on Oct 25, 2015 9:24:40 GMT
The 14000 in the ground are probably the people who were there before the prem, and will be here when we go down, wankers getting up and going on 75 minutes, why bother going to a game when you dont even wait for the result.and dont get me started on booing your own team.appalling u sound like the type who does both.yes youve paid your money.but keep it in your pocket or fcuk off up vale. Can we put this shit to bed, I was one of the 14,000 as were the 5 people I was sat with. We were pissed off, frustrated, annoyed and went after 83 minutes. Not that I or anyone should have to justify there actions. Get off your fucking high horse..... You should have stayed until the end, you could have booed with the other wankers! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 9:33:33 GMT
Can we put this shit to bed, I was one of the 14,000 as were the 5 people I was sat with. We were pissed off, frustrated, annoyed and went after 83 minutes. Not that I or anyone should have to justify there actions. Get off your fucking high horse..... You should have stayed until the end, you could have booed with the other wankers! Go fuck yourself super fan....... |
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Post by liamo on Oct 25, 2015 9:40:00 GMT
I don't think Stoke fans react well to the prospect of success, we were told before the season begun that we should be aiming for top 6  and some meatheads took it as gospel truth, that's where we would end up, it's gotten to a point where fans actually expect to win 100% of games home and away and when it doesn't happen the oatcake implodes When we win it's "Damn right we won, we're the best team in the world" When we lose it's "WTF is this shower of shit" We used to be grateful for every point we gained, we used to be the team/fans that were underdogs and laughed when teams didn't take us seriously and got complacent before we tore them a new one, for some reason though we expect teams like Watford to do what we never did and roll over for us because they should? They played well, we didn't have an answer to their narrow defending, it was a bad day at the office and that's it |
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and some meatheads took it as gospel truth, that's where we would end up, it's gotten to a point where fans actually expect to win 100% of games home and away and when it doesn't happen the oatcake implodes
