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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 9, 2015 10:36:06 GMT
Need someone to run themselves into the ground, hassle "top" defenders for ninety minutes and help to beat the World champions?
Step forward SJW.
Of his type possibly the best in the world?
Sign a new contract Jon, you know it makes sense.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 9, 2015 10:53:03 GMT
Mame Diouf does it better imo.
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Oct 9, 2015 10:55:30 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Oct 9, 2015 10:55:30 GMT
Mame Diouf does it better imo. Not with the same enthusiasm he doesnt
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 9, 2015 11:01:39 GMT
Mame Diouf does it better imo. Not with the same enthusiasm he doesnt Disagree. I think harries and hassles better and puts more work and more useful work in and combines it with a higher quality of play. Walters has the edge re winding people up.
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Post by enuntio on Oct 9, 2015 11:09:44 GMT
Mame Diouf does it better imo. Not with the same enthusiasm he doesnt Diouf doesn't come close to how Walters does it
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Oct 9, 2015 11:10:22 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 9, 2015 11:10:22 GMT
Need someone to run themselves into the ground, hassle "top" defenders for ninety minutes and help to beat the World champions? Step forward SJW. Of his type possibly the best in the world? Sign a new contract Jon, you know it makes sense. No doubt he put a shift in but equally no doubt if Ireland played that game another 99 times they'd lose it 99 times, Ireland pinched the win so good luck to them. Leaving aside the best in the world comment we don't really set up to play the way Ireland do anymore so his effectiveness in the springer spaniel role is not that relevant to us but on the last few games seems he can adapt to play how we do in which case he'll contribute as long as he stays but I doubt he'll get or is worth a 3 year contract.
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Oct 9, 2015 11:32:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 11:32:15 GMT
The biggest myth in football! Not doubting he does what he does but I invite anyone to argue against me in saying he works no 'arder than Diouf, Arnie, Whelan, Cameron, Pieters, Shawcross?
In fact, anyone. Nzonzi last year. Charlie Adam even! He might not be as naturally fit but the reason he tends to get brought off is cause he's knackered due to giving his all. I'm not taking anything away from Jon but this putting him on a pedestal for his work rate really is a load of bollocks and starting to get boring now. Theo Walcott hassles defenders every week no different to Walters, the difference being he does it with pace. This may come as shock to people but it's what they are paid to do and Jon is no exception!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 11:32:58 GMT
Not with the same enthusiasm he doesnt Disagree. I think harries and hassles better and puts more work and more useful work in and combines it with a higher quality of play. Walters has the edge re winding people up. You've done very well to earn a like off me.
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Post by Bick on Oct 9, 2015 11:35:22 GMT
Mame Diouf does it better imo. I'm a big fan of Diouf, but when it comes to making the life of opposition difficult, he's not even in the same league as SJW.
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Oct 9, 2015 11:58:18 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 9, 2015 11:58:18 GMT
Mame Diouf does it better imo. I'm a big fan of Diouf, but when it comes to making the life of opposition difficult, he's not even in the same league as SJW. His pace alone means he's more difficult.
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Oct 9, 2015 12:09:11 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 9, 2015 12:09:11 GMT
The biggest myth in football! Not doubting he does what he does but I invite anyone to argue against me in saying he works no 'arder than Diouf, Arnie, Whelan, Cameron, Pieters, Shawcross? In fact, anyone. Nzonzi last year. Charlie Adam even! He might not be as naturally fit but the reason he tends to get brought off is cause he's knackered due to giving his all. I'm not taking anything away from Jon but this putting him on a pedestal for his work rate really is a load of bollocks and starting to get boring now. Theo Walcott hassles defenders every week no different to Walters, the difference being he does it with pace. This may come as shock to people but it's what they are paid to do and Jon is no exception! Absolutely, all work hard and give 100%. But in the lone CF role or the supporting CF link role Walters is, IMO, extremely effective and has become expert in how he operates. Just like Whelan he's adapted his game to play at the very highest level and make the absolute most of his strengths while ensuring his weaknesses don't hold him back. Absolutely phenomenal in terms of making the very most of his ability and opportunity.
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Oct 9, 2015 16:36:53 GMT
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Post by banksisgod on Oct 9, 2015 16:36:53 GMT
I think some people on here are slightly missing the point. I was at the game last night, and whilst most sensible people were following play, I fixed my attention on Walters for virtually the entire time. He is very effective (code for completely filthy!) when going for the ball, or when the ball is close by. When the ball is miles away, he's "even more effective". If he's not yapping away at his marker like an annoying Jack Russell, he's giving him little pulls and digs and trips. He is the supreme master of the dark arts. Although Diouf offers us something different with his pace, he doesn't give defenders the heebeejeebee's like Walters does. The left-full last night, a World Cup winner, remember, was in such a state that he could have done with wearing a large-sized nappy.
GIVE HIM THE CONTRACT, STOKE. SJW's don't grow on trees!!!
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 9, 2015 16:45:27 GMT
Walters is very effective through the middle as we have seen the past couple of Stoke games. Out wide though he's a waste of space.
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Oct 9, 2015 17:13:12 GMT
Post by march4 on Oct 9, 2015 17:13:12 GMT
The best bit was the last 10mins where Ireland just kicked the ball to SJW in the corner and he held off the entire German team to waste time. He even won 2 corners.
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Oct 9, 2015 17:20:10 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 9, 2015 17:20:10 GMT
Walters is very effective through the middle as we have seen the past couple of Stoke games. Out wide though he's a waste of space. I agree if you're looking to be expansive and apply pressure through possession. If, however, you want a physical presence to shield a vulnerable right back and deprive superior opposition of attacking opportunities then he's excellent. Earlier on I heard Brian Kerr saying exactly that and how Walters move out wide in the second half was crucial to Ireland getting the win.
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Oct 9, 2015 17:22:04 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 9, 2015 17:22:04 GMT
I think some people on here are slightly missing the point. I was at the game last night, and whilst most sensible people were following play, I fixed my attention on Walters for virtually the entire time. He is very effective (code for completely filthy!) when going for the ball, or when the ball is close by. When the ball is miles away, he's "even more effective". If he's not yapping away at his marker like an annoying Jack Russell, he's giving him little pulls and digs and trips. He is the supreme master of the dark arts. Although Diouf offers us something different with his pace, he doesn't give defenders the heebeejeebee's like Walters does. The left-full last night, a World Cup winner, remember, was in such a state that he could have done with wearing a large-sized nappy. GIVE HIM THE CONTRACT, STOKE. SJW's don't grow on trees!!! I think Hughes loves him because he see's more than a little of himself in SJW's agression and cunning use of every attackers trick in the book. That and the very similar scoring records!!!!
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Oct 9, 2015 18:35:59 GMT
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Post by stantheman on Oct 9, 2015 18:35:59 GMT
Anyone watching SJW of late, for Stoke and Ireland, must be wondering why the fook he'll leave the Club on a free in the summer if we don't do something soon?
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Oct 9, 2015 18:52:46 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 9, 2015 18:52:46 GMT
Mame Diouf does it better imo. Gotta agree with bayern on this, I also think Diouf harries defenders into making mistakes a lot better than Walters.... When Diouf does it, he's quite literally up the defender's arse!!!
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Oct 9, 2015 19:13:09 GMT
Mame Diouf does it better imo. Gotta agree with bayern on this, I also think Diouf harries defenders into making mistakes a lot better than Walters.... When Diouf does it, he's quite literally up the defender's arse!!! He quite literally isn't!
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Oct 9, 2015 19:48:48 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 9, 2015 19:48:48 GMT
Gotta agree with bayern on this, I also think Diouf harries defenders into making mistakes a lot better than Walters.... When Diouf does it, he's quite literally up the defender's arse!!! He quite literally isn't! That could get awkward.
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Oct 9, 2015 19:55:04 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 9, 2015 19:55:04 GMT
Gotta agree with bayern on this, I also think Diouf harries defenders into making mistakes a lot better than Walters.... When Diouf does it, he's quite literally up the defender's arse!!! He quite literally isn't! Taking touch tight a touch too far.....
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Oct 9, 2015 20:32:43 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 9, 2015 20:32:43 GMT
Gotta agree with bayern on this, I also think Diouf harries defenders into making mistakes a lot better than Walters.... When Diouf does it, he's quite literally up the defender's arse!!! He quite literally isn't! Catch him at the right angle!!!
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Oct 9, 2015 22:58:25 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 9, 2015 22:58:25 GMT
The best bit was the last 10mins where Ireland just kicked the ball to SJW in the corner and he held off the entire German team to waste time. He even won 2 corners. Those last minutes were the bit I really liked for the reasons you say. So important to keep it in the corner and run the clock down and he did it superbly. That type of play may not be pretty but it's a vital role and is also skilfull.
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Oct 9, 2015 23:44:01 GMT
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Post by rawli on Oct 9, 2015 23:44:01 GMT
Mame Diouf does it better imo. Gotta agree with bayern on this, I also think Diouf harries defenders into making mistakes a lot better than Walters.... When Diouf does it, he's quite literally up the defender's arse!!! Is that ungentlemanly conduct?
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Oct 10, 2015 0:16:55 GMT
Post by njkk on Oct 10, 2015 0:16:55 GMT
SJW was awesome for Eire, he's been awesome for us also, this isn't about if he's better than Mame its about what he brings to the team, we love a grafter at Stoke and SJW is one of the best we've had
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Oct 10, 2015 0:18:53 GMT
Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 10, 2015 0:18:53 GMT
Best in the world at what he does? Alexis Sanchez and Suarez do what Walters does every week but with an actual footballing performance as well.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 10, 2015 11:41:40 GMT
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Oct 10, 2015 12:13:23 GMT
Post by march4 on Oct 10, 2015 12:13:23 GMT
The ridiculous thing is that it is going to cost more and more for SCFC to give SJW the contract he thoroughly deserves, because his reputation continues to rise due to games such as this one for Ireland.
They should have settled this nonsense in the summer.
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Oct 10, 2015 15:27:28 GMT
Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 10, 2015 15:27:28 GMT
Thanks for posting that - a great read ( even if as you say it's a little OTT). I love the 2nd picture from the end which sums up those last few minutes when he was just holding ( almost literally) the germans at bay in the corner for what seemed an eternity
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Oct 10, 2015 16:00:50 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Oct 10, 2015 16:00:50 GMT
The ridiculous thing is that it is going to cost more and more for SCFC to give SJW the contract he thoroughly deserves, because his reputation continues to rise due to games such as this one for Ireland. They should have settled this nonsense in the summer. So a plethora of football managers do not know what Walters is about and his stock rises because of a few games. We should give Walters a new contract but his value of himself is obviously more than Stoke and other clubs are willing to pay.
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