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SJW
Oct 10, 2015 16:02:15 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 10, 2015 16:02:15 GMT
The biggest myth in football! Not doubting he does what he does but I invite anyone to argue against me in saying he works no 'arder than Diouf, Arnie, Whelan, Cameron, Pieters, Shawcross? In fact, anyone. Nzonzi last year. Charlie Adam even! He might not be as naturally fit but the reason he tends to get brought off is cause he's knackered due to giving his all. I'm not taking anything away from Jon but this putting him on a pedestal for his work rate really is a load of bollocks and starting to get boring now. Theo Walcott hassles defenders every week no different to Walters, the difference being he does it with pace. This may come as shock to people but it's what they are paid to do and Jon is no exception! No, its because he's unfit.
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SJW
Oct 10, 2015 16:05:48 GMT
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Post by whydelilah on Oct 10, 2015 16:05:48 GMT
Thanks for posting that - a great read ( even if as you say it's a little OTT). I love the 2nd picture from the end which sums up those last few minutes when he was just holding ( almost literally) the germans at bay in the corner for what seemed an eternity scfc1863.co.uk/2015/01/29/super-jonny-walters-200-up/
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SJW
Oct 10, 2015 16:16:15 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 10, 2015 16:16:15 GMT
Thanks for posting that - a great read ( even if as you say it's a little OTT). I love the 2nd picture from the end which sums up those last few minutes when he was just holding ( almost literally) the germans at bay in the corner for what seemed an eternity Absolutely. If anything sums him up it's that ability to out think and out muscle technically superior players. He's practically made it an art form!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 10, 2015 16:20:02 GMT
Thanks for posting that - a great read ( even if as you say it's a little OTT). I love the 2nd picture from the end which sums up those last few minutes when he was just holding ( almost literally) the germans at bay in the corner for what seemed an eternity scfc1863.co.uk/2015/01/29/super-jonny-walters-200-up/Like that one too - thanks for posting. A couple of years ago I had a conversation with an experienced manager who said that some players have the intelligence to do any job the manager asks but not the willingness; some have the willingness but not the intelligence - but what he liked about SJW was that he has both. Just a shame about that post-election tweet which I thought was patronising and unwise in an area like S-O-T - but as footballer he has my full admiration
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SJW
Oct 10, 2015 17:45:11 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 10, 2015 17:45:11 GMT
Like that one too - thanks for posting. A couple of years ago I had a conversation with an experienced manager who said that some players have the intelligence to do any job the manager asks but not the willingness; some have the willingness but not the intelligence - but what he liked about SJW was that he has both. Just a shame about that post-election tweet which I thought was patronising and unwise in an area like S-O-T - but as footballer he has my full admiration Very badly judged tweet and very disappointing. Definitely a let down given the way i imagined his personality.
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Post by stantheman on Oct 10, 2015 17:56:13 GMT
Couldn't give a flying fook about his political opinions. He's as entitled as the next man to have one.
As long as he continues to do his stuff in the red and white, I'll continue to support him.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 10, 2015 20:21:29 GMT
If only he hadn't posted that fucking Tory Tweet he'd be right up there with my favourite ever.
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SJW
Oct 10, 2015 20:52:21 GMT
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Post by stantheman on Oct 10, 2015 20:52:21 GMT
If only he hadn't posted that fucking Tory Tweet he'd be right up there with my favourite ever. I bet he's heartbroken with your crushing decision not to have him as your favourite ever.
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SJW
Oct 10, 2015 21:01:16 GMT
Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 10, 2015 21:01:16 GMT
Couldn't give a flying fook about his political opinions. He's as entitled as the next man to have one. Of course he is but the point wasn't his political opinions as such but the style and disrespectful tone of the tweets in an area which returns MPs of a different political party.
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SJW
Oct 10, 2015 21:08:51 GMT
Post by Northy on Oct 10, 2015 21:08:51 GMT
Couldn't give a flying fook about his political opinions. He's as entitled as the next man to have one. Of course he is but the point wasn't his political opinions as such but the style and disrespectful tone of the tweets in an area which returns MPs of a different political party. He lives in Lower Heswall doesn't he, part of West Wirral, which swings both ways
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SJW
Oct 10, 2015 21:10:31 GMT
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Post by stantheman on Oct 10, 2015 21:10:31 GMT
Couldn't give a flying fook about his political opinions. He's as entitled as the next man to have one. Of course he is but the point wasn't his political opinions as such but the style and disrespectful tone of the tweets in an area which returns MPs of a different political party. But Malcolm, this thread is about the PLAYER that is John Walters, so why do his political opinions have to come into it? Had he confessed to be a member of the KKK, then fair enough. Does the political view of someone who has nothing to do with politics really matter?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 10, 2015 21:36:53 GMT
Of course he is but the point wasn't his political opinions as such but the style and disrespectful tone of the tweets in an area which returns MPs of a different political party. But Malcolm, this thread is about the PLAYER that is John Walters, so why do his political opinions have to come into it? Had he confessed to be a member of the KKK, then fair enough. Does the political view of someone who has nothing to do with politics really matter? Top footballers only have the very large number of twitter followers that they do, because they are top footballers. If he hadn't been a PL footballer then he would have been communicating his political views to a very small number of people. In my view that brings with it some responsibilities (just as it should have done for Robert Huth with his crude adolescent tweet). My distaste doesn't stem from his political views (even though they happen to be different to mine), or even that he tweeted them ( it came as no surprise at all that a rich PL footballer votes Conservative) but the patronising and triumphalist way he expressed them, knowing, as he must do, that he plays in area which returns MPs of a different political view and that many Stoke residents were very disappointed and worried at the election result at the time when he posted it. It's about sensitivity and respect. All that said, there are few bigger admirers of him as a player than me.
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SJW
Oct 10, 2015 21:54:08 GMT
Post by chaydlestokie on Oct 10, 2015 21:54:08 GMT
Mame Diouf does it better imo. Spends too long on his arse though mate.
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SJW
Oct 10, 2015 22:05:39 GMT
Post by potterpaul on Oct 10, 2015 22:05:39 GMT
So we are all agreed that JW's is best used in the final 10-15 minutes to close out a match we are leading. A time where he can use his body(which is one of his greatest strengths) to shield the ball and gain valuable time in possession in the opponents half.
I can live with that.
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SJW
Oct 10, 2015 22:54:09 GMT
Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 10, 2015 22:54:09 GMT
If only he hadn't posted that fucking Tory Tweet he'd be right up there with my favourite ever. I bet he's heartbroken with your crushing decision not to have him as your favourite ever. In the same way that your yawnsome post will keep me awake at night, you boring boring boring boring boring boring boring (repeat ad infinitum, suffix with appropriate offensive noun. Whatever offends you the most.).
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SJW
Oct 11, 2015 10:26:59 GMT
Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 11, 2015 10:26:59 GMT
So we are all agreed that JW's is best used in the final 10-15 minutes to close out a match we are leading. A time where he can use his body(which is one of his greatest strengths) to shield the ball and gain valuable time in possession in the opponents half. I can live with that. If by "best" you really meant "only" Paul, I'm not agreed. The fact that a player can do A very well, doesn't mean that he can't also do B,C,D........well as well.
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SJW
Oct 11, 2015 10:33:18 GMT
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Post by whydelilah on Oct 11, 2015 10:33:18 GMT
Jon Walters is relentless.
He keeps getting written off and he keeps coming back and proving the doubters wrong.
He got two in two up front for us and had another good game on the right at Villa (interchanging with Diouf).
He's an integral part of the squad.
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SJW
Oct 11, 2015 10:43:26 GMT
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Post by mattador78 on Oct 11, 2015 10:43:26 GMT
But Malcolm, this thread is about the PLAYER that is John Walters, so why do his political opinions have to come into it? Had he confessed to be a member of the KKK, then fair enough. Does the political view of someone who has nothing to do with politics really matter? Top footballers only have the very large number of twitter followers that they do, because they are top footballers. If he hadn't been a PL footballer then he would have been communicating his political views to a very small number of people. In my view that brings with it some responsibilities (just as it should have done for Robert Huth with his crude adolescent tweet). My distaste doesn't stem from his political views (even though they happen to be different to mine), or even that he tweeted them ( it came as no surprise at all that a rich PL footballer votes Conservative) but the patronising and triumphalist way he expressed them, knowing, as he must do, that he plays in area which returns MPs of a different political view and that many Stoke residents were very disappointed and worried at the election result at the time when he posted it. It's about sensitivity and respect. All that said, there are few bigger admirers of him as a player than me. I agree and disagree with you on his political views he did have every right to his opinion but his tone may have been different but he doesnt live in stoke on trent so his concern or care about this community is reduced. However to bastardize a famous quote football isnt a matter of politics or religion or life or death just that at 3pm on a Saturday (dependant on tv coverage [sky bastards]) its more important than that too the 11 players and fans who represent my club in that stadium.
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SJW
Oct 11, 2015 11:35:00 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 11, 2015 11:35:00 GMT
So we are all agreed that JW's is best used in the final 10-15 minutes to close out a match we are leading. A time where he can use his body(which is one of his greatest strengths) to shield the ball and gain valuable time in possession in the opponents half. I can live with that. Absolutely. When we have a better option than him I'm more than happy to see him benched. Can't really see how he can be left out on current form though.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 11, 2015 11:36:34 GMT
Jon Walters is relentless. He keeps getting written off and he keeps coming back and proving the doubters wrong. He got two in two up front for us and had another good game on the right at Villa (interchanging with Diouf). He's an integral part of the squad. Just like Whelan. Written off time and time again. Like all great sportsmen they just use it as fuel to their fire.
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SJW
Oct 11, 2015 13:36:20 GMT
Post by march4 on Oct 11, 2015 13:36:20 GMT
Jon Walters is relentless. He keeps getting written off and he keeps coming back and proving the doubters wrong. He got two in two up front for us and had another good game on the right at Villa (interchanging with Diouf). He's an integral part of the squad. Just like Whelan. Written off time and time again. Like all great sportsmen they just use it as fuel to their fire. Exactly.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 11, 2015 14:02:18 GMT
Had he confessed to be a member of the KKK, then fair enough. It was much worse than that, mate. He confessed to being a Tory!
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SJW
Oct 12, 2015 5:55:08 GMT
Post by potterpaul on Oct 12, 2015 5:55:08 GMT
So we are all agreed that JW's is best used in the final 10-15 minutes to close out a match we are leading. A time where he can use his body(which is one of his greatest strengths) to shield the ball and gain valuable time in possession in the opponents half. I can live with that. Absolutely. When we have a better option than him I'm more than happy to see him benched. Can't really see how he can be left out on current form though. Shaq, Diouf, Bojan and Arnie will be our front 4 without a shadow of a doubt barring injuries. With the likes of JW, Ireland, Afalley and Joselu all offering competition from bench. I think you know this as well as I do.
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SJW
Oct 12, 2015 8:00:19 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 12, 2015 8:00:19 GMT
Absolutely. When we have a better option than him I'm more than happy to see him benched. Can't really see how he can be left out on current form though. Shaq, Diouf, Bojan and Arnie will be our front 4 without a shadow of a doubt barring injuries. With the likes of JW, Ireland, Afalley and Joselu all offering competition from bench. I think you know this as well as I do. Barring injuries.....and form.
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SJW
Oct 12, 2015 8:03:20 GMT
Post by RAF on Oct 12, 2015 8:03:20 GMT
Shaq, Diouf, Bojan and Arnie will be our front 4 without a shadow of a doubt barring injuries. With the likes of JW, Ireland, Afalley and Joselu all offering competition from bench. I think you know this as well as I do. Barring injuries.....and form. Why would form come into it? It didn't under Pulis where Jon was concerned. H
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SJW
Oct 12, 2015 8:10:10 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Oct 12, 2015 8:10:10 GMT
Barring injuries.....and form. Why would form come into it? It didn't under Pulis where Jon was concerned. H He isn't our manager any more so the goalposts have been moved. Like I said, breathtaking hypocrisy.
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SJW
Oct 12, 2015 8:14:57 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 12, 2015 8:14:57 GMT
Barring injuries.....and form. Why would form come into it? It didn't under Pulis where Jon was concerned. H So you're saying Hughes and Pulis manage in the same way? I'd have to disagree.
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SJW
Oct 12, 2015 8:26:42 GMT
Post by RAF on Oct 12, 2015 8:26:42 GMT
Why would form come into it? It didn't under Pulis where Jon was concerned. H So you're saying Hughes and Pulis manage in the same way? I'd have to disagree. How exactly do you come to that baffling conclusion? H
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 12, 2015 8:51:12 GMT
I've probably spent the bulk of my time on this forum championing Jon Walters and defending him from his detractors. I've never had a problem with those who don't like his style and who want to see a 'better player' in his place but I DO have a problem, and always have, with those who are stupid enough to claim that he is a 'dreadful footballer' or that he is 'Championship class at best'.
With regard to his contract situation, you won't be surprised that I think the club should have given him the contract he wanted in the summer. He is a very useful player to have available and would be for the next few seasons yet, even if he isn't a regular 'first choice'. I can well understand those who feel the final season of his contract might be a bit wasteful from the club's perspective, given his age at that time and the fact that he may well be used fairly sparingly by then. However, the overall cost of Jon Walters over the course of his time at Stoke will not be expensive in today's terms, the club are wealthy enough for it to be fairly insignificant to them in the bigger picture, and I think the bloke deserves it.
Get him signed for God's sake.
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SJW
Oct 12, 2015 11:48:59 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 12, 2015 11:48:59 GMT
So you're saying Hughes and Pulis manage in the same way? I'd have to disagree. How exactly do you come to that baffling conclusion? H Weren't you implying that MH wouldn't consider form just like Pulis?
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