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Post by partickpotter on Nov 14, 2015 13:04:48 GMT
A much better performance from the team and a great result . A fine innings from Hales that could be a defining one for him in the future , he surely now deserves a chance in the Test line up in South Africa . Yes Hales has nailed that spot. Here's what I think they'll go with in the first test - assuming there are no injury concerns. Maybe Bairstow for Butler. If Stoke's ain't fit, everyone goes up one for Plunkett or Finn (or maybe even Topley or Willey). Cook Hales Bell Root Taylor Stokes Butler Ali Wood Broad Anderson
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2015 12:24:39 GMT
3rd ODI underway. Pakistan batting and it's even stevens I reckon; 95-2 off 20 overs.
Nice to think I can watch England bag when I get in from work this evening.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2015 18:15:38 GMT
Well that turned out to be a treat. Got home in time to see a superb unbeaten 5th wicket partnership between Taylor and Butler of 117 to win the game. Both looked excellent. Great news as these two are going to be very important for us going forward. Well done England.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 17, 2015 18:27:07 GMT
Well that turned out to be a treat. Got home in time to see a superb unbeaten 5th wicket partnership between Taylor and Butler of 117 to win the game. Both looked excellent. Great news as these two are going to be very important for us going forward. Well done England. Michael Vaughan on twitter was not so vaguely suggesting the way the Pakistan batsman got out during their collapse might not come as a surprise to people betting on the match.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2015 18:39:28 GMT
Well that turned out to be a treat. Got home in time to see a superb unbeaten 5th wicket partnership between Taylor and Butler of 117 to win the game. Both looked excellent. Great news as these two are going to be very important for us going forward. Well done England. Michael Vaughan on twitter was not so vaguely suggesting the way the Pakistan batsman got out during their collapse might not come as a surprise to people betting on the match. He should say clearly what he's thinking or shut the fuck up. Whatever happened to straight talking Yorkshiremen?
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 17, 2015 19:00:11 GMT
Michael Vaughan on twitter was not so vaguely suggesting the way the Pakistan batsman got out during their collapse might not come as a surprise to people betting on the match. He should say clearly what he's thinking or shut the fuck up. Whatever happened to straight talking Yorkshiremen? I think they like their brass and try and avoid libel courts. Aggers made a few random comments one before the match about a previous fixed game there and another straight after losing 6 for 29 about 17 second tv delays and wondering what the ICC anti corruption unit would make off, prefaced by not linked. Makes you wonder if there is whispers around.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 17, 2015 19:06:29 GMT
It did seem a bit odd the way Pakistan collapsed considering the pitch wasn't actually doing much at that stage. Anyway, I'm not going to comment on allegations of match fixing. I'm just happy Mr Buttler finally got some runs and we won again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 19:20:05 GMT
Delighted with today's result , seems like a good performance all round again sadly I was unable to watch the proceedings today .
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 18, 2015 0:41:17 GMT
Delighted with today's result , seems like a good performance all round again sadly I was unable to watch the proceedings today . Good to have you back posting mate - missed you unique insight telling us all that Cook will come good and Moeen isn't that brilliant (Ok you may have had something there). I think the best thing about today's result was Buttler getting some runs. Have you seen the thread on Death of a Gentlemen? Be interested in your views!
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Nov 18, 2015 2:07:23 GMT
Watching the highlights now. What a fantastic turnaround after the first ODI. Buttler back in the runs is excellent news.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 11:26:59 GMT
Delighted with today's result , seems like a good performance all round again sadly I was unable to watch the proceedings today . Good to have you back posting mate - missed you unique insight telling us all that Cook will come good and Moeen isn't that brilliant (Ok you may have had something there). I think the best thing about today's result was Buttler getting some runs. Have you seen the thread on Death of a Gentlemen? Be interested in your views! Thanks for that mate , it was always a foregone conclusion as far as Cook was concerned though perhaps it took a little longer than he and the rest of would have liked for him to emerge from that dip in form that he suffered . It seems it's business as usual now as far as Cook is concerned . Moeen has done ok since coming into the team , nobody ever thought that he was going to be brilliant I think , he is a useful bits and pieces player in my opinion , not good enough in either discipline to be considered as Test class , he's performing a stop gap role at the moment with his spin bowling and latterly as an opening batsman , not really successfully in either role , but that's no fault of his , he's done his best . Right about Buttler it can only have done him good .......the problem regarding Test cricket is not an easy one to put right , 20/20 has cast its evil shadow across this format and done untold damage to the ultimate form of the game , perhaps it is worth looking again at some form world championship Test cricket to see if it can rekindle an interest in the game again , it could be worth it in the long run, and not before too much longer either , before the damage is terminal ....certainly interest in the game in the West Indies it's vital if the game needs to push on , a strong West Indies side would go,a long way in helping matters ......money is the problem is this respect though or lack of it . Having said that about 20/20 I do accept that it has in many respects encouraged the more positive aspects of the game to be transferred over into Test Cricket , faster scoring rates have meant many more games having a result in four days or less and the draw is far less prevalent than it was say ten or fifteen years ago , so it hasn't been entirely bad news .
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 18, 2015 21:38:07 GMT
Wood and Finn out of the South Africa series - so who should replace them?
Plunkett and Footit for me.
I don't want us to go for bits and pieces players like Woakes and Jordan.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 18, 2015 22:54:04 GMT
Wood and Finn out of the South Africa series - so who should replace them? Plunkett and Footit for me. I don't want us to go for bits and pieces players like Woakes and Jordan. As a Somerset fan i'd add Jamie Overton but Sam Curran is going to be a serious cricketer, at 17 is probably too soon for hi but I expect him to be round the test side next summer if he continues as he is.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 18, 2015 22:58:07 GMT
Wood and Finn out of the South Africa series - so who should replace them? Plunkett and Footit for me. I don't want us to go for bits and pieces players like Woakes and Jordan. Finn still in with a chance according to his tweet. Plunkett must be next in line but a left armer would give us something different.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 19, 2015 0:31:59 GMT
Good to have you back posting mate - missed you unique insight telling us all that Cook will come good and Moeen isn't that brilliant (Ok you may have had something there). I think the best thing about today's result was Buttler getting some runs. Have you seen the thread on Death of a Gentlemen? Be interested in your views! Thanks for that mate , it was always a foregone conclusion as far as Cook was concerned though perhaps it took a little longer than he and the rest of would have liked for him to emerge from that dip in form that he suffered . It seems it's business as usual now as far as Cook is concerned . Moeen has done ok since coming into the team , nobody ever thought that he was going to be brilliant I think , he is a useful bits and pieces player in my opinion , not good enough in either discipline to be considered as Test class , he's performing a stop gap role at the moment with his spin bowling and latterly as an opening batsman , not really successfully in either role , but that's no fault of his , he's done his best . Right about Buttler it can only have done him good .......the problem regarding Test cricket is not an easy one to put right , 20/20 has cast its evil shadow across this format and done untold damage to the ultimate form of the game , perhaps it is worth looking again at some form world championship Test cricket to see if it can rekindle an interest in the game again , it could be worth it in the long run, and not before too much longer either , before the damage is terminal ....certainly interest in the game in the West Indies it's vital if the game needs to push on , a strong West Indies side would go,a long way in helping matters ......money is the problem is this respect though or lack of it . Having said that about 20/20 I do accept that it has in many respects encouraged the more positive aspects of the game to be transferred over into Test Cricket , faster scoring rates have meant many more games having a result in four days or less and the draw is far less prevalent than it was say ten or fifteen years ago , so it hasn't been entirely bad news . Some great points in there... Interestingly Moeen has the best strike rate of any post war England spinner I understand. If only he could learn to block up an end he could be the answer to the spinner problem. 20/20 was looked at being the saviour of cricket, but now seems to have been the destroyer of proper cricket. I agree with you regarding the Test Championship: Test matches need some wider context. Also a fairer distribution of ICC revenue would help: BCCI’s Share (22.9 %) England Board (ECB) Share (11.7%) Australian Board (ACB) Share (5%) Pakistan Boards (PCB) Share (3.82%) South Africa Board (CSA) Share (3.75%) West Indies Board (WICB) Share (3.18%) New Zealand Board (NZC) Share (2.99%) Sri Lanka Board (SLC) Share (3.18%) Bangladesh Board (BCB) Share (2.67%) Zimbabwe Board (ZCB) Share (2.54%) Associate Members Share (9.75%) India currently get more than the next three countries put together. The money needs to be shared more evenly and need rules to make sure it's invested into growing the game, especially test cricket.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 19, 2015 7:09:35 GMT
Wood and Finn out of the South Africa series - so who should replace them? Plunkett and Footit for me. I don't want us to go for bits and pieces players like Woakes and Jordan. Finn still in with a chance according to his tweet. Plunkett must be next in line but a left armer would give us something different. The good news is we seem to have a few lefties in the wings.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 9:23:12 GMT
Finn still in with a chance according to his tweet. Plunkett must be next in line but a left armer would give us something different. The good news is we seem to have a few lefties in the wings. Please leave that kind of thing on those other dreadful threads Partick
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 19, 2015 9:31:00 GMT
The good news is we seem to have a few lefties in the wings. Please leave that kind of thing on those other dreadful threads Partick The cricket threads have always been a civilizing presence on the EE board.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 9:36:24 GMT
Please leave that kind of thing on those other dreadful threads Partick The cricket threads have always been a civilizing presence on the EE board. Yes and having observed the rest of the board since I've returned , nothing appears to have improved on here ....in fact it's got even worse, the cricket threads remain the only safe haven , long may this continue .
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 19, 2015 9:40:44 GMT
The cricket threads have always been a civilizing presence on the EE board. Yes and having observed the rest of the board since I've returned , nothing appears to have improved on here ....in fact it's got even worse, the cricket threads remain the only safe haven , long may this continue . You get better class of poster on here . I think the biggest disagreement was the dropping of Cook!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 9:51:19 GMT
Yes and having observed the rest of the board since I've returned , nothing appears to have improved on here ....in fact it's got even worse, the cricket threads remain the only safe haven , long may this continue . You get better class of poster on here . I think the biggest disagreement was the dropping of Cook! It probably was yet we still managed to debate in the correct manner , I wasn't really in favour of the way that it happened ....but it appears to have had the desired effect in that Cook is almost back to his very best in Test Cricket and that for me is the most important aspect of it . Perhaps we should consider setting up a breakaway wing of the forum that is solely dedicated to cricket !
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2015 10:06:27 GMT
Batsman Ian Bell has been dropped from England's Test squad for the tour of South Africa. The five-time Ashes winner, who has played 118 Tests, has not scored a Test century for 23 innings. Batsmen Nick Compton and Gary Ballance are recalled, while uncapped Nottinghamshire pace bowler Mark Footitt and spinner Samit Patel are included and Adil Rashid misses out. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/34866711
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 19, 2015 10:26:07 GMT
Wow!
Surprised about Bell and Rashid. Thought Rashid had shown enough in the first Test, but expected the only way Bell would be out is if he retired.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2015 10:35:44 GMT
Wow! Surprised about Bell and Rashid. Thought Rashid had shown enough in the first Test, but expected the only way Bell would be out is if he retired. Pleased for Compton, surprised that Rashid is out and Samit Patel is in. Probably finally starting to get a feel for a Baylis future.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 19, 2015 10:57:56 GMT
Wow! Surprised about Bell and Rashid. Thought Rashid had shown enough in the first Test, but expected the only way Bell would be out is if he retired. Pleased for Compton, surprised that Rashid is out and Samit Patel is in. Probably finally starting to get a feel for a Baylis future. Compton was a bit hard done by and wasn't dropped for his ability. Strange thing is never Compton or Hales open in the championship so not sure who opens or who bats three with Balance in the picture too.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Nov 19, 2015 12:15:32 GMT
Compton.....
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 19, 2015 12:38:00 GMT
Pleased for Compton, surprised that Rashid is out and Samit Patel is in. Probably finally starting to get a feel for a Baylis future. Compton was a bit hard done by and wasn't dropped for his ability. Strange thing is never Compton or Hales open in the championship so not sure who opens or who bats three with Balance in the picture too. Some surprising selections in the squad. Patel for Rashid - makes sense in that Rashid will now be heading to the Big Bash so will get to play some cricket. In SA he'll just be carrying drinks as we'll only play one spinner; Ali. If Ali get's injured, we can bring him over. Bell out - it was, sadly, just a matter of time. Compton and Ballance in - even assuming Ballance has fixed that fatal flaw in his technique that saw him trapped behind his crease against a full pitch ball I see him as cover for Taylor at #5, definitely no higher in the order. Compton I reckon will be #3 to provide some experienced cover at first wicket down. A direct replacement for Bell in other words. Footit in - excellent selection. He has to be a first choice for the side though, not just making up the squad. With Stokes, Jordan and Woakes all 4th seamers and a spinner who is really only a second spinner we need a bona fide 3rd seamer in the team. Let's not repeat the selection errors of the West Indies. I'm actually a little disappointed both Woakes and Jordan are there. I'd much rather see another specialist quick bowler (Toppley or Willey for example) in the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 14:09:05 GMT
Compton..... Well who would have thought it eh ?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 19, 2015 14:14:01 GMT
I'd much rather see another specialist quick bowler (Toppley or Willey for example) in the squad. He's injured inna he, hence him not being in? Or have I made that up?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 14:18:00 GMT
Compton was a bit hard done by and wasn't dropped for his ability. Strange thing is never Compton or Hales open in the championship so not sure who opens or who bats three with Balance in the picture too. Some surprising selections in the squad. Patel for Rashid - makes sense in that Rashid will now be heading to the Big Bash so will get to play some cricket. In SA he'll just be carrying drinks as we'll only play one spinner; Ali. If Ali get's injured, we can bring him over. Bell out - it was, sadly, just a matter of time. Compton and Ballance in - even assuming Ballance has fixed that fatal flaw in his technique that saw him trapped behind his crease against a full pitch ball I see him as cover for Taylor at #5, definitely no higher in the order. Compton I reckon will be #3 to provide some experienced cover at first wicket down. A direct replacement for Bell in other words. Footit in - excellent selection. He has to be a first choice for the side though, not just making up the squad. With Stokes, Jordan and Woakes all 4th seamers and a spinner who is really only a second spinner we need a bona fide 3rd seamer in the team. Let's not repeat the selection errors of the West Indies. I'm actually a little disappointed both Woakes and Jordan are there. I'd much rather see another specialist quick bowler (Toppley or Willey for example) in the squad. I suspect Steyn and Morkel will itching to have a crack at Ballance based in the evidence we saw in the summer , as you say I hope he has been putting some time in working on it in the nets otherwise we may see a repeat performance .No spot for either of your " lefties " mate ? I think I may well have been tempted to find a spot for Willey in preference to Jordan .
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