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Post by partickpotter on Nov 4, 2015 7:17:36 GMT
I sense a plucky defeat here, 140 all out chasing 200 or something similar. Hope I'm wrong as actually I think 1-1 would be a fair reflection of this series and shows the improvement we have made since the last UAE tour...... I'm sensing a drubbing coming up. Missed chances in the field (Bairstow missing a stumping this morning after a drop catch yesterday) in low scoring games are very costly. That's two lives for their centurion - I think that's their sixth of the series - means he could go in and on. The lead is already 113 with just 4 down (and one of those is a rabbit nightwatchman). I think we're in trouble. Our chance was yesterday morning to push on for a big lead but neither of our over night batsmen were able to post the significant score we needed. The story of the series really. Our batsmen have not performed to a high enough standard. Been the story for quite some time. Edit: so Pakistan got to 355 before being bowled out leaving England 284 to win. It's possible, but the odds have to be heavily on Pakistan. That said - we're still in this game. Loads of time - so just bat carefully. Keep the head. Think positive. This could be one of England's great victories.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 4, 2015 12:00:48 GMT
Yeah we scored 50 too few and let them score 100 too many. We should be chasing down 140.
2-0 is not reflective of the series as a whole but we have absolutely no one to blame but ourselves.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 4, 2015 12:13:09 GMT
The problems have been:
- poor, loose spin bowling - Moeen especially has shown he can bowl much better - losing the toss - 3 times. There's not that much between the sides (two close games so far where we ran out of time in one, and they just had enough time in the other) - so the extra advantage of winning 3 toss's has made quite a difference. It's very difficult to win batting second in the sub-continent - a fragile middle order - which has been a problem for quite a while - and we've taken too long to take some positive action about. - batsmen getting in and then not delivering. Too many 40's that don't win you games.
Anyway 284 is a tall order. Need 100's from two of the batsmen and a few others to help. I think I'm in the 'Partick' we can do this camp. Need to get to the close without too much damage and 50+ on the board. Would make an interesting day tomorrow.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 4, 2015 12:14:24 GMT
Yeah we scored 50 too few and let them score 100 too many. We should be chasing down 140. 2-0 is not reflective of the series as a whole but we have absolutely no one to blame but ourselves. Spot on - short of runs in our first innings and fielding errors cost us too many runs in their second. I think it'd be hard to argue with 2-0 if that is how it turns out. They've out-bowled us where it really matters in the UAE - in the spin department. Both pace attacks have been good - our's has been almost heroic in the absence of a spin threat. But Pakistan's attack is really potent. And they've out-batted us; 5 centurions in the series to our one. AN Cook 263 Shoaib Malik 245 Mohammad Hafeez 151 Younis Khan 118 Asad Shafiq 107 Misbah-ul-Haq 102
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 4, 2015 13:04:07 GMT
The problems have been: - poor, loose spin bowling - Moeen especially has shown he can bowl much better - losing the toss - 3 times. There's not that much between the sides (two close games so far where we ran out of time in one, and they just had enough time in the other) - so the extra advantage of winning 3 toss's has made quite a difference. It's very difficult to win batting second in the sub-continent - a fragile middle order - which has been a problem for quite a while - and we've taken too long to take some positive action about. - batsmen getting in and then not delivering. Too many 40's that don't win you games. Anyway 284 is a tall order. Need 100's from two of the batsmen and a few others to help. I think I'm in the 'Partick' we can do this camp. Need to get to the close without too much damage and 50+ on the board. Would make an interesting day tomorrow. I think we've been a poor second. As said in reply to Momo - out-spun and out-batted. My boundless optimism is wavering - two wickets down already; Ali (no surprise) and Bell (no surprise). Time enough tomorrow to dig through the entrails of the tour - when we'll know if we've had a glorious victory or defeat - heroic or abject. But your comments are spot on. I suspect though, the painful truth is we are just not good enough to compete in the UAE against Pakistan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 16:33:47 GMT
I've put a tenner on a famous victory. Can't see it happening but if Cook and Root can get through the first hour never say never.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 4, 2015 16:50:31 GMT
The problems have been: - poor, loose spin bowling - Moeen especially has shown he can bowl much better - losing the toss - 3 times. There's not that much between the sides (two close games so far where we ran out of time in one, and they just had enough time in the other) - so the extra advantage of winning 3 toss's has made quite a difference. It's very difficult to win batting second in the sub-continent - a fragile middle order - which has been a problem for quite a while - and we've taken too long to take some positive action about. - batsmen getting in and then not delivering. Too many 40's that don't win you games. Anyway 284 is a tall order. Need 100's from two of the batsmen and a few others to help. I think I'm in the 'Partick' we can do this camp. Need to get to the close without too much damage and 50+ on the board. Would make an interesting day tomorrow. I think we've been a poor second. As said in reply to Momo - out-spun and out-batted. My boundless optimism is wavering - two wickets down already; Ali (no surprise) and Bell (no surprise). Time enough tomorrow to dig through the entrails of the tour - when we'll know if we've had a glorious victory or defeat - heroic or abject. But your comments are spot on. I suspect though, the painful truth is we are just not good enough to compete in the UAE against Pakistan. Yeah, see what you're saying but its pretty fine margins isn't it. Not exactly the same but some similarities with the Ashes Summer. Two broadly equal teams, the conditions just favouring one side with the odd session so completely dominant that it settled the entire Test. Still as Prestwich says, where there's Cook and Root, there's hope!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 6:07:58 GMT
Bollocks Root has gone 2nd over ain't happening folks ......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 6:21:02 GMT
Taylor gone 4 down. Start the bus.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 6:33:50 GMT
59/6. Piss poor boys....
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 5, 2015 6:54:55 GMT
I think we've been a poor second. As said in reply to Momo - out-spun and out-batted. My boundless optimism is wavering - two wickets down already; Ali (no surprise) and Bell (no surprise). Time enough tomorrow to dig through the entrails of the tour - when we'll know if we've had a glorious victory or defeat - heroic or abject. But your comments are spot on. I suspect though, the painful truth is we are just not good enough to compete in the UAE against Pakistan. Yeah, see what you're saying but its pretty fine margins isn't it. Not exactly the same but some similarities with the Ashes Summer. Two broadly equal teams, the conditions just favouring one side with the odd session so completely dominant that it settled the entire Test. Still as Prestwich says, where there's Cook and Root, there's hope! There's fine margin in the detail - dropped catch here, DRS decision there; but the big picture is quite clear we are a poor, even distant, second to Pakistan. We've more than matched them in quick bowling, but they've dominated as spinners and at batting. The final day of the first test proved to be a peculiarity; an illusion of the quality of our spin attack and the fragility of their batting line up. Normal service was restored in the final two tests as three (including this innings) morning collapses have cost us dear. I type this having seen we are 60 odd for 6 with less than an hour played and the drubbing I feared is coming to pass. Ah well - Chelsea at home to look forward to! Has to be said though, this Pakistan is formidable in the UAE. Big respect to them.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 5, 2015 9:39:48 GMT
England's slow bowlers couldn't get the ball to spin in a washing machine.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 5, 2015 9:54:52 GMT
A loss by 127 runs in a relatively low scoring game counts as a comprehensive drubbing.
On the positive side, as Boycs pointed out, opportunities abound.
We don't know who should should bat at 2,3 and 5. A big question over #6 and the wicket keeper #7 spot is wide open as is who will be the spinner. All we can be sure of is Cook and Root and Broad and Anderson.
That old sledge that there is just three things wrong with this England team applies (near enough); they can't bat, they can't bowl (spin) and they can't field.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 10:47:38 GMT
Poor end to a half decent series, some positives but a lot of unanswered questions still.
The test team for South Africa will be markedly different but my gut feeling is they'll stick with Bell as he has a decent record against them plus the other middle order batsmen still have a lot to prove, think the team starting in Durban for the first test will be as follows:
Cook Hales Bell Root Taylor Stokes Buttler Moeen Wood Broad Anderson
With Bairstow, Finn, Rashid waiting in the wings....
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Post by greenhoff74 on Nov 5, 2015 12:13:32 GMT
Hales for South Africa?
Boycott said in his opinion "that's a No No", because Hales is a front foot guy and he isn't going to get forward very often opening batting against Dale Steyn etc.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 5, 2015 13:37:32 GMT
Poor end to a half decent series, some positives but a lot of unanswered questions still. The test team for South Africa will be markedly different but my gut feeling is they'll stick with Bell as he has a decent record against them plus the other middle order batsmen still have a lot to prove, think the team starting in Durban for the first test will be as follows: Cook Hales Bell Root Taylor Stokes Buttler Moeen Wood Broad Anderson With Bairstow, Finn, Rashid waiting in the wings.... Think you've got that spot on apart from the keeper. I think Bairstow will keep the gloves. That said what happens in the upcoming ODIs may influence that. I'm guessing that both Butler and Bairstow will play so if one does particularly well he'll get the nod. If Stoke's is unfit, Finn or Plunkett will play. Ali will be our old spinner and will be dropped down the order. Hales is the only alternative.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 5, 2015 17:31:47 GMT
I dont think it matters who we send to S Africa, we could play 12 to their 11, and they will still give us a good hiding.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 11, 2015 2:25:48 GMT
Time for a bit of candyfloss cricket!
In all seriousness this could be a highly entertaining ODI series, a chance for our young seamers to shine, in particular David Willey who can make the white ball sing early doors, good luck to Topley and his mystery bag of variation too.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 11, 2015 10:03:51 GMT
Time for a bit of candyfloss cricket! In all seriousness this could be a highly entertaining ODI series, a chance for our young seamers to shine, in particular David Willey who can make the white ball sing early doors, good luck to Topley and his mystery bag of variation too. ODIs are now the primary route to the test 11 so makes for interesting watching. David Willey looks interesting - we could do with a left arm quickie. Shame me he's not 5 mph quicker. The fact he is an excellent fielder and a decent bat is very handy. But it's the batsmen with most to gain from this series - three of the top 5 spots are wide open currently. Could well be a regular spot for whoever does well in this series.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 11, 2015 10:04:50 GMT
I dont think it matters who we send to S Africa, we could play 12 to their 11, and they will still give us a good hiding. Bollocks. The teams are well matched. Could be a very close series.
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Nov 11, 2015 13:08:16 GMT
Abysmal start. Rescued by some awesome work by Morgan and Taylor. Hopefully these two can bat at least another 10-12 overs and then Jos and Moeen can bring some fireworks.
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Nov 11, 2015 13:21:08 GMT
12 minutes after my last post, Morgan gone and Butler ran out for 1. *facepalm*
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 11, 2015 13:41:55 GMT
Looks like the bowlers are going to have to pull something pretty special out of the bag to rescue us in this game, something we have been saying an awful lot over the past couple of years.
So many batsman in this Engalnd team flatter to deceive.
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Nov 11, 2015 13:44:08 GMT
147-4 148-5 157-6 161-7
Classic England middle order
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 11, 2015 15:34:54 GMT
147-4 148-5 157-6 161-7 Classic England middle order You missed out the fourth wicket; 147-4 And the top order - 3 wickets down quickly. 0-1 7-2 14-3 On the other hand the bowling has started well - couple if quick wickets for Topley. Could be quite a good game.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 13, 2015 12:40:55 GMT
Promising start by England - 119-1 of 22 overs. Roy out fro a fifty, Hayles still going with 50+ to his name. Roooooooot just in. Keep going boys.
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Nov 13, 2015 13:29:07 GMT
Promising start by England - 119-1 of 22 overs. Roy out fro a fifty, Hayles still going with 50+ to his name. Roooooooot just in. Keep going boys. 184-1. Hales 94, Root 32. Set up for a big score.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 13, 2015 13:42:04 GMT
Promising start by England - 119-1 of 22 overs. Roy out fro a fifty, Hayles still going with 50+ to his name. Roooooooot just in. Keep going boys. 184-1. Hales 94, Root 32. Set up for a big score. 200 up with one wicket down - and Hayles getting to his maiden ODI hundred. Well done. This is more like it!
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 13, 2015 17:13:43 GMT
A bit disappointing to only get to 280 odd, but at least we posted a competitive total.
And now we see how that affects the opponents batting - they're 99-6. Should be England's game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 12:24:13 GMT
A much better performance from the team and a great result . A fine innings from Hales that could be a defining one for him in the future , he surely now deserves a chance in the Test line up in South Africa .
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