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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 21:45:21 GMT
Well I dont know about you but where I work and for 20ys I might add the CPS would not be involved as a matter or course however if they were asked for advice they would still take the home office guidelines and apply them. But yes your right they do have the power to change the charge after the police charge but given what I have seen they would not. And as for what I have seen it's pretty open and simple case so I will say again the CPS would not be involved pre charge. It's a clear section 39 assault and criminal damage to clothing or other items that might have been damaged that I cant see. Edit I said the Police can charge but not for affray it's the CPS but for assault the Police can which is what I said. Hmmm the day the CPS apply any sort of guidance is the day I jack in my job. It is only guidance though it does not 'dictate' anything. As for the charge it shouldn't be charged as damage and assault....guidance states where an assault results in damage to clothing for example the assault charge alone is sufficient. Anyways...I know what you do. I pm'd you about Nzonzi not collecting his player of the season award as he'd been arrested for allegedly assaulting his wife On a separate not how did that work out not read anything about it ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 21:48:21 GMT
Hmmm the day the CPS apply any sort of guidance is the day I jack in my job. It is only guidance though it does not 'dictate' anything. As for the charge it shouldn't be charged as damage and assault....guidance states ;-) where an assault results in damage to clothing for example the assault charge alone is sufficient. Anyways...I know what you do. I pm'd you about Nzonzi not collecting his player of the season award as he'd been arrested for allegedly assaulting his wife :-D I know and remember :-) but your not looking at it from another viewpoint. As a matter or routine the CPS would not be involved and any Police charge would be taking into account home office guidelines and to say the CPS do not work with those same guidelines and apply them IMO is wrong of course they do. The CPS still have charging standards and if consulted would charge a 39. As for the damage I bow to your superior knowledge Your right about the complaint but there does not have to be a victim to complain anyone can complain but no way will that act without one it would take a complaint to get the investigation going as you well know we are talking about West Mids here Oh yes without a doubt. They are THE most incompetent police force I've ever had the misfortunes of dealing with, closely followed by Cheshire! The CPS Staffs and West Mids at the moment are nigh on guidance free...there is seemingly a large group of incompetent solicitors making ridiculous decisions on a daily basis without recourse for their actions. Give me a Sgts decision any day of the week but the newbies are all petrified of making a decision, and some of the old guard are happy to let the CPS balls it up rather than make the right decision themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 21:52:10 GMT
Not sure. It was a crock of shit given she allegedly refused to attend Court anyway.
And once he'd buggered off to Valencia, presumably taking her with him that was game, set and match Nzonzi.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 21:56:43 GMT
I know and remember :-) but your not looking at it from another viewpoint. As a matter or routine the CPS would not be involved and any Police charge would be taking into account home office guidelines and to say the CPS do not work with those same guidelines and apply them IMO is wrong of course they do. The CPS still have charging standards and if consulted would charge a 39. As for the damage I bow to your superior knowledge Your right about the complaint but there does not have to be a victim to complain anyone can complain but no way will that act without one it would take a complaint to get the investigation going as you well know we are talking about West Mids here Oh yes without a doubt. They are THE most incompetent police force I've ever had the misfortunes of dealing with, closely followed by Cheshire! The CPS Staffs and West Mids at the moment are nigh on guidance free...there is seemingly a large group of incompetent solicitors making ridiculous decisions on a daily basis without recourse for their actions. Give me a Sgts decision any day of the week but the newbies are all petrified of making a decision, if some of the old guard are happy to let the CPS balls it up rather than make the right decision themselves. See we agree on some things wont argue with any of that. Although Staffs are not quite free from interference it seems more than ever with more to come !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 21:57:40 GMT
Not sure. It was a crock of shit given she allegedly refused to attend Court anyway. And once he'd buggered off to Valencia, presumably taking her with him that was game, set and match Nzonzi. lol crock of shit sums most of my days up.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 5, 2015 22:46:27 GMT
I applaud the lady's actions completely and believe every time that shite song is sung the fire extinguishers should come out. In fact I'm taking one to the next match. Is it giving you an ear worm...
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Post by tvgc on Oct 5, 2015 23:25:38 GMT
I applaud the lady's actions completely and believe every time that shite song is sung the fire extinguishers should come out. In fact I'm taking one to the next match. Is it giving you an ear worm... Something like that mate.....saw some of your old pals Saturday.
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Post by prudhoe on Oct 5, 2015 23:52:05 GMT
I can't believe how many grown adults on here seem to think that is an acceptable way to behave in a pub! It's anti social behaviour at the very least. If i was sitting in a pub minding my own business and a group of football fans started to chant songs very loudly i would feel very threatened and intimidated by it and would leave the pub as soon as possible. Maybe the landylady realised this too and wanted them out before they scared away all her customers. They acted in a very ignorant and selfish mannor. They had zero respect for anyone else in that pub. Very much the we'll do what we want and fuck everyone else attitude that seems to be growing by the day in this country. They got exactly what they deserved.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 23:58:33 GMT
I can't believe how many grown adults on here seem to think that is an acceptable way to behave in a pub! It's anti social behaviour at the very least. If i was sitting in a pub minding my own business and a group of football fans started to chant songs very loudly i would feel very threatened and intimidated by it and would leave the pub as soon as possible. Maybe the landylady realised this too and wanted them out before they scared away all her customers. They acted in a very ignorant and selfish mannor. They had zero respect for anyone else in that pub. Very much the we'll do what we want and fuck everyone else attitude that seems to be growing by the day in this country. They got exactly what they deserved. She may have simply been dousing the obvious signs of sexual desire and excitement shown by the fat guy who lifted his shirt .... It's enough to make any woman orgasm ...!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 0:00:25 GMT
I can't believe how many grown adults on here seem to think that is an acceptable way to behave in a pub! It's anti social behaviour at the very least. If i was sitting in a pub minding my own business and a group of football fans started to chant songs very loudly i would feel very threatened and intimidated by it and would leave the pub as soon as possible. Maybe the landylady realised this too and wanted them out before they scared away all her customers. They acted in a very ignorant and selfish mannor. They had zero respect for anyone else in that pub. Very much the we'll do what we want and fuck everyone else attitude that seems to be growing by the day in this country. They got exactly what they deserved. So the next time you do something that I think is anti social I can punch you in the face? Think about what your saying mate
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 0:01:52 GMT
I can't believe how many grown adults on here seem to think that is an acceptable way to behave in a pub! It's anti social behaviour at the very least. If i was sitting in a pub minding my own business and a group of football fans started to chant songs very loudly i would feel very threatened and intimidated by it and would leave the pub as soon as possible. Maybe the landylady realised this too and wanted them out before they scared away all her customers. They acted in a very ignorant and selfish mannor. They had zero respect for anyone else in that pub. Very much the we'll do what we want and fuck everyone else attitude that seems to be growing by the day in this country. They got exactly what they deserved. So the next time you do something that I think is anti social I can punch you in the face? Think about what your saying mate Did she punch him in the face ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 0:04:07 GMT
So the next time you do something that I think is anti social I can punch you in the face? Think about what your saying mate Did she punch him in the face ? She assaulted them. Same difference.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 0:05:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 0:10:19 GMT
Aah the old you started it first primary School defence!
Jesus wept.
And why have you linked some irrelevant Jock advice?
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Oct 6, 2015 0:11:22 GMT
I can't believe how many grown adults on here seem to think that is an acceptable way to behave in a pub! It's anti social behaviour at the very least. If i was sitting in a pub minding my own business and a group of football fans started to chant songs very loudly i would feel very threatened and intimidated by it and would leave the pub as soon as possible. Maybe the landylady realised this too and wanted them out before they scared away all her customers. They acted in a very ignorant and selfish mannor. They had zero respect for anyone else in that pub. Very much the we'll do what we want and fuck everyone else attitude that seems to be growing by the day in this country. They got exactly what they deserved. I think that the fact we went outside away from the general public kind of knocks your argument of people feeling threatened out of the window. There was no agresisve or intimidating behaviour just a group of people enjoying themselves in a pub. A pub is a place for people to enjoy themselves, right? To which you will reply..but other punters couldn't enjoy themselves. With all due respect you weren't there. So are not to know whether or not people inside the pub were threatened, intimidated and/or not enjoying themselves. Again it's more of the reaction of the barmaid...throwing an ashtray in the direction of the people singing and then spraying them with foam. I don't thinks it's fair to say they got what they deserved. What they/we deserved was a bit of a warning and at the very most got asked to leave. I'm pretty sure that you have been loud in a pub before
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 0:15:33 GMT
Aah the old you started it first primary School defence! Jesus wept. And why have you linked some irrelevant Jock advice? It's exactly the same advice in England and so are the definitions . We use the same dictionaries too. Punishments may differ .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 0:19:52 GMT
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Oct 6, 2015 0:25:58 GMT
I don't understand your point. Nobody is arguing about what the police can and can't do. What people are saying is that the barmaid was wrong to take this action especially when the police were there. The police were also in the wrong not to take action against the barmaid.
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Post by prudhoe on Oct 6, 2015 0:27:21 GMT
I can't believe how many grown adults on here seem to think that is an acceptable way to behave in a pub! It's anti social behaviour at the very least. If i was sitting in a pub minding my own business and a group of football fans started to chant songs very loudly i would feel very threatened and intimidated by it and would leave the pub as soon as possible. Maybe the landylady realised this too and wanted them out before they scared away all her customers. They acted in a very ignorant and selfish mannor. They had zero respect for anyone else in that pub. Very much the we'll do what we want and fuck everyone else attitude that seems to be growing by the day in this country. They got exactly what they deserved. So the next time you do something that I think is anti social I can punch you in the face? Think about what your saying mate Well you'll have a long wait. I was brought up to respect other people and would never dream of acting like a yob in a public place!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 0:34:35 GMT
I don't understand your point. Nobody is arguing about what the police can and can't do. What people are saying is that the barmaid was wrong to take this action especially when the police were there. The police were also in the wrong not to take action against the barmaid. Well that point is for the police to answer . Any magistrate will only see what I did and combined with any statements will have to make his judgement if it ever comes to that . It was clearly rowdy behaviour and the police do have the powers to act . I certainly wouldn't have appreciated it if I was an independent visiting the premises . Best left alone on both sides and let common sense and decency prevail is the conclusion here .
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 6, 2015 5:37:35 GMT
I cannot believe that the Stoke women who were there just stood and watched her.I can understand the men not getting aggressive with her but the girls should have done something.Regardless of whether the Stoke fans were being anti social or not(imo singing isnt anti social)what she did was irresponsible and it was an assault and she should be seriously bollocked by the police ,fire department and her bosses.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 6, 2015 6:09:02 GMT
we know a song about that
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 6, 2015 6:09:29 GMT
She did wrong - and should face some action.
Either 1) sit among the Stoke fans next time we are at Villa Park and join in the singing or 2) go and watch a West Brom game.
That'd sort her out.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 6, 2015 6:24:33 GMT
Is it giving you an ear worm... Something like that mate.....saw some of your old pals Saturday. Lovely, wasn't able make it. You all good...
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Post by newsteadst3 on Oct 6, 2015 6:26:42 GMT
I cannot believe that the Stoke women who were there just stood and watched her.I can understand the men not getting aggressive with her but the girls should have done something.Regardless of whether the Stoke fans were being anti social or not(imo singing isnt anti social)what she did was irresponsible and it was an assault and she should be seriously bollocked by the police ,fire department and her bosses. The way that barmaid was she would of launched them women. They did the correct thing and stayed out if it and acted with class. Well done stoke girls
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Post by senojbor on Oct 6, 2015 7:39:18 GMT
I can't believe how many grown adults on here seem to think that is an acceptable way to behave in a pub! It's anti social behaviour at the very least. If i was sitting in a pub minding my own business and a group of football fans started to chant songs very loudly i would feel very threatened and intimidated by it and would leave the pub as soon as possible. Maybe the landylady realised this too and wanted them out before they scared away all her customers. They acted in a very ignorant and selfish mannor. They had zero respect for anyone else in that pub. Very much the we'll do what we want and fuck everyone else attitude that seems to be growing by the day in this country. They got exactly what they deserved. You have a point, but no one seemed to be aggresive or threatening and singing isn't against the law. It's not a pre-theatre drink or a meeting of the polite society it was ordinary fans having a beer and a bit of a sing song. I think they deserve credit for not reacting.
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Post by senojbor on Oct 6, 2015 7:44:39 GMT
Worth remembering this incident for next season lads. Stokies don't forget this sort of thing. Yes we do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 7:56:25 GMT
So the next time you do something that I think is anti social I can punch you in the face? Think about what your saying mate Well you'll have a long wait. I was brought up to respect other people and would never dream of acting like a yob in a public place! To be fair the Marc Muniesa song is very intimidating, it's up there with the Millwall 'we are evil' ditty. Well said dude
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Post by foster on Oct 6, 2015 8:31:21 GMT
No problem with the singing but I don't get the standing on chairs since that's both dangerous in terms of health and safety and potentially damaging for the chair. It's not as if the place was crowded or they were going to entice the Brummies to start singing. Aside from that, the fans did well not to react and extinguish..her. (see what I did there).
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 6, 2015 8:37:32 GMT
Worth remembering this incident for next season lads. Stokies don't forget this sort of thing. Yes we do. It is only relevant if we meet them in a cup match!
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