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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 12, 2015 20:18:57 GMT
The foundations that were looking so shaky that you were calling for him to be sacked in May 2013? Why do you keep going back? I've told you several times I was wrong. I've repented ...I've had a Saul moment ..call it what you will. Seriously I cannot see why you have got such a problem with my plea for people to stop slagging off TP. Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much. He laid the foundations. Let's hope that Sparky keeps building. Goodnight. The man who deserves the credit for Hughes' success is Hughes. I'm 'looking back' because you can't explain when or what pro opted this Saul moment. It's almost as if you're bored and on a wind-up.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 12, 2015 20:22:05 GMT
Titans caught a real whopper there.
Hats off though, you've put plenty of ground bait in.
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Post by rawli on Oct 12, 2015 20:53:35 GMT
There's plenty of good that Tony did for us. However, defending him so robustly over his waste of the club's money on his son is mind boggling.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 12, 2015 20:54:15 GMT
Titans caught a real whopper there. Hats off though, you've put plenty of ground bait in. Hope march is watching closely, he hasn't had so much as a nibble in weeks, bless him he still keeps chucking it out there tho.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 12, 2015 20:58:56 GMT
Why do you keep going back? I've told you several times I was wrong. I've repented ...I've had a Saul moment ..call it what you will. Seriously I cannot see why you have got such a problem with my plea for people to stop slagging off TP. Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much. He laid the foundations. Let's hope that Sparky keeps building. Goodnight. The man who deserves the credit for Hughes' success is Hughes. I'm 'looking back' because you can't explain when or what pro opted this Saul moment. It's almost as if you're bored and on a wind-up. Hughes deserves great credit and praise. But surely its ok to recognise that he inherited a lot of good things as well as several things that needed putting right? I'd say the foundations that Pulis and co. laid were good and Hughes has used them to develop us into a very decent side.
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Post by werrington on Oct 12, 2015 21:01:21 GMT
The man who deserves the credit for Hughes' success is Hughes. I'm 'looking back' because you can't explain when or what pro opted this Saul moment. It's almost as if you're bored and on a wind-up. Hughes deserves great credit and praise. But surely its ok to recognise that he inherited a lot of good things as well as several things that needed putting right? I'd say the foundations that Pulis and co. laid were good and Hughes has used them to develop us into a very decent side. The foundations had crumbled 14/57 points available told us that
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 12, 2015 21:01:55 GMT
The man who deserves the credit for Hughes' success is Hughes. I'm 'looking back' because you can't explain when or what pro opted this Saul moment. It's almost as if you're bored and on a wind-up. Hughes deserves great credit and praise. But surely its ok to recognise that he inherited a lot of good things as well as several things that needed putting right? I'd say the foundations that Pulis and co. laid were good and Hughes has used them to develop us into a very decent side. I think Hughes inherited a team low on confidence that had won three times in five months. It had forgotten how to do the things it was good at, there was talk of dissension and division in the dressing room, and there was a point at which relegation looked a genuine possibility. A number of the players who have done so well for us needed to be revitalised because they were not performing then to the standard they did subsequently.
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Post by marwood on Oct 12, 2015 21:02:09 GMT
My previous favourite manager was Chic Bates, he was great I love him, he did a great job, good old chic
No, come to think of it I HATE HIM, IM A N ANTI CHIC STAIN, get lost chic you manager !
Sorry, love you Chic!
I'm Chic Rimmer number one really! Who does he manager now? I'll get mesen on their fanzine and get some good ammo for me chic staining !
(Can't decide)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2015 21:06:47 GMT
There's plenty of good that Tony did for us. However, defending him so robustly over his waste of the club's money on his son is mind boggling. No one is defending it just pointing out that it's about as relevant the money we're currently wasting on Jonny Tex and pointing out that five other managers considered him good enough to warrant a contract and an international manager considered him one of the better performers in his age group. Some conspiracy Pulis had going there. Mind you the wanstains would swallow any old shite. It's Tony Pulis ate my hamster cuckoo land.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 12, 2015 21:06:28 GMT
Hughes deserves great credit and praise. But surely its ok to recognise that he inherited a lot of good things as well as several things that needed putting right? I'd say the foundations that Pulis and co. laid were good and Hughes has used them to develop us into a very decent side. The foundations had crumbled 14/57 points available told us that Shawcross Nzonzi Begovic Whelan Walters Crouch Adam They've never really looked too crumbly to me. As I said things needed changing, a fresh approach, new ideas. We needed urgent but relatively minor surgery. Hughes knew this and did an excellent job which he's now building on further. Pulis went, possibly a little later than he should have, Hughes came in. Stoke City has continued to grow. Happy days.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2015 21:10:11 GMT
The foundations had crumbled 14/57 points available told us that Shawcross Nzonzi Begovic Whelan Walters Crouch Adam They've never really looked too crumbly to me. As I said things needed changing, a fresh approach, new ideas. We needed urgent but relatively minor surgery. Hughes knew this and did an excellent job which he's now building on further. Pulis went, possibly a little later than he should have, Hughes came in. Stoke City has continued to grow. Happy days. It's almost as if both managers have been fucking brilliant for Stoke. I mean what kind of bitter and twisted maniacs couldn't happily be able to openly say that?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 12, 2015 21:10:56 GMT
The foundations had crumbled 14/57 points available told us that Shawcross Nzonzi Begovic Whelan Walters Crouch Adam They've never really looked too crumbly to me. As I said things needed changing, a fresh approach, new ideas. We needed urgent but relatively minor surgery. Hughes knew this and did an excellent job which he's now building on further. Pulis went, possibly a little later than he should have, Hughes came in. Stoke City has continued to grow. Happy days. It took a change to get he best out of those players though. They were not performing and it's to Hughes' credit as well as their own that they rediscovered that mojo because 'crumbly' was how it was looking from Feb-April 2013.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 12, 2015 21:15:10 GMT
Shawcross Nzonzi Begovic Whelan Walters Crouch Adam They've never really looked too crumbly to me. As I said things needed changing, a fresh approach, new ideas. We needed urgent but relatively minor surgery. Hughes knew this and did an excellent job which he's now building on further. Pulis went, possibly a little later than he should have, Hughes came in. Stoke City has continued to grow. Happy days. It took a change to get he best out of those players though. They were not performing and it's to Hughes' credit as well as their own that they rediscovered that mojo because 'crumbly' was how it was looking from Feb-April 2013. I forgot how horrible that season was. www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2477&teamTabs=results
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2015 21:17:35 GMT
It took a change to get he best out of those players though. They were not performing and it's to Hughes' credit as well as their own that they rediscovered that mojo because 'crumbly' was how it was looking from Feb-April 2013. I forgot how horrible that season was. www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2477&teamTabs=resultsIt was fine up to Boxing Day. Something spooked Pulis after we walloped Liverpool.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 12, 2015 21:20:07 GMT
We weren't convincing long before Boxing Day.
That Liverpool performance was the exception rather than the rule.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2015 21:22:05 GMT
It was fine up to Boxing Day. Something spooked Pulis after we walloped Liverpool. We were 8th (FFS) with half of the season gone.
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Post by werrington on Oct 12, 2015 21:22:23 GMT
It was fine up to Boxing Day. Something spooked Pulis after we walloped Liverpool. He was spooked by expectation and shat himself
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 12, 2015 21:22:45 GMT
It was fine up to Boxing Day. Something spooked Pulis after we walloped Liverpool. I don't think it was, I can't remember the start being that bad results wise but it clearly was looking at that. And that Swindon game was a horror show. And I didn't go that Liverpool game due to being a stubborn bastard so it was bastard dreadful!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 12, 2015 21:24:06 GMT
It was fine up to Boxing Day. Something spooked Pulis after we walloped Liverpool. We were 8th (FFS) with half of the season gone. We were playing crap and couldn't score in a brothel despite bringing in a fair few new attacking players. You could see the slump coming. I don't think it was Carto's fault.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 12, 2015 21:28:19 GMT
It was fine up to Boxing Day. Something spooked Pulis after we walloped Liverpool. Yeah, he shat his pants at the thought of becoming a top 10 side and any expectation that might come his way. 40 points, treat the fans with contempt and trouser another 7 figure bonus - that was his m.o.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2015 21:31:37 GMT
We were 8th (FFS) with half of the season gone. We were playing crap and couldn't score in a brothel despite bringing in a fair few new attacking players. You could see the slump coming. I don't think it was Carto's fault. We had only lost three games by Boxing Day and were very solid. I'm not saying we were playing particularly great stuff but we were tough to beat and had a confidence and togetherness that was completely gone by the end of the following month. It was certainly a season of two halves as I recall andthere was talk of Europe as we left the ground that Boxing Day night.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 12, 2015 21:35:03 GMT
We were 8th (FFS) with half of the season gone. We were playing crap and couldn't score in a brothel despite bringing in a fair few new attacking players. You could see the slump coming. I don't think it was Carto's fault. If anything the only fault that could be apportioned was not sacking him two seasons before we did, shame he could have left on a relatively high note, his return however was a total disgrace his behaviour towards our fans and players was so classless and exposed him for what he really is a grade A c**t.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2015 21:36:15 GMT
It was fine up to Boxing Day. Something spooked Pulis after we walloped Liverpool. Yeah, he shat his pants at the thought of becoming a top 10 side and any expectation that might come his way. 40 points, treat the fans with contempt and trouser another 7 figure bonus - that was his m.o. I think that's a bit too simplistic. Something happend in the dressing room around new year time and off the pitch the relationship with Scholes was getting worse by the day. He has since alluded to letting stuff go on at the club that he shouldnt have but took his eye off the ball for family reasons.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 12, 2015 21:37:18 GMT
Yeah, he shat his pants at the thought of becoming a top 10 side and any expectation that might come his way. 40 points, treat the fans with contempt and trouser another 7 figure bonus - that was his m.o. I think that's a bit too simplistic. Something happend in the dressing room around new year time and off the pitch the relationship with Scholes was getting worse by the day. He has since alluded to letting stuff go on at the club that he shouldnt have but took his eye off the ball for family reasons. The tactic of Adam following Crouch around the pitch didn't help.....
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 12, 2015 21:39:05 GMT
Yeah, he shat his pants at the thought of becoming a top 10 side and any expectation that might come his way. 40 points, treat the fans with contempt and trouser another 7 figure bonus - that was his m.o. I think that's a bit too simplistic. Something happend in the dressing room around new year time and off the pitch the relationship with Scholes was getting worse by the day. He has since alluded to letting stuff go on at the club that he shouldnt have but took his eye off the ball for family reasons. We'll have to wait for his auto-biography for the real poison to drip
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 12, 2015 21:40:06 GMT
We were playing crap and couldn't score in a brothel despite bringing in a fair few new attacking players. You could see the slump coming. I don't think it was Carto's fault. We had only lost three games by Boxing Day and were very solid. I'm not saying we were playing particularly great stuff but we were tough to beat and had a confidence and togetherness that was completely gone by the end of the following month. It was certainly a season of two halves as I recall andthere was talk of Europe as we left the ground that Boxing Day night. I don't recall any talk of Europe. I remember us 'having a go' early season at Chelsea and Man Utd for the first time in a long time and being unlucky to lose. Then there was a run of games where results were good but performances were largely very dodgy, and when performances are like that results match them sooner or later. It wasn't as if someone flipped a switch and suddenly we were shit. We'd had a poor second half to the previous season as well.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 12, 2015 21:44:00 GMT
Yeah, he shat his pants at the thought of becoming a top 10 side and any expectation that might come his way. 40 points, treat the fans with contempt and trouser another 7 figure bonus - that was his m.o. I think that's a bit too simplistic. Something happend in the dressing room around new year time and off the pitch the relationship with Scholes was getting worse by the day. He has since alluded to letting stuff go on at the club that he shouldnt have but took his eye off the ball for family reasons. That doesn't explain why he was picking the same listless team and tactics, why players badly out of form were persisted with while others couldn't get a look-in, why we were again among the lowest scorers in the entire pyramid for a second consecutive season. It began to go wrong, little by little, in the summer after the cup final season. That should've been the platform to really push on and instead he spent a fortune digging his own grave.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 12, 2015 21:48:36 GMT
We had only lost three games by Boxing Day and were very solid. I'm not saying we were playing particularly great stuff but we were tough to beat and had a confidence and togetherness that was completely gone by the end of the following month. It was certainly a season of two halves as I recall andthere was talk of Europe as we left the ground that Boxing Day night. I don't recall any talk of Europe. I remember us 'having a go' early season at Chelsea and Man Utd for the first time in a long time and being unlucky to lose. Then there was a run of games where results were good but performances were largely very dodgy, and when performances are like that results match them sooner or later. It wasn't as if someone flipped a switch and suddenly we were shit. We'd had a poor second half to the previous season as well. There was talk. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/205063/pulis-europe-stokes-aimBeing 8th at New Year in what was by common consent an avarage league, it would have been very odd if there wasnt some giddy talk of Europe?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 12, 2015 21:50:54 GMT
I don't recall any talk of Europe. I remember us 'having a go' early season at Chelsea and Man Utd for the first time in a long time and being unlucky to lose. Then there was a run of games where results were good but performances were largely very dodgy, and when performances are like that results match them sooner or later. It wasn't as if someone flipped a switch and suddenly we were shit. We'd had a poor second half to the previous season as well. There was talk. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/205063/pulis-europe-stokes-aimBeing 8th at New Year in what was by common consent an avarage league, it would have been very odd if there wasnt some giddy talk of Europe? I don't see how anyone who was actually watching us play could have conceived of it to be honest mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 12, 2015 21:53:39 GMT
I don't recall any talk of Europe. I remember us 'having a go' early season at Chelsea and Man Utd for the first time in a long time and being unlucky to lose. Then there was a run of games where results were good but performances were largely very dodgy, and when performances are like that results match them sooner or later. It wasn't as if someone flipped a switch and suddenly we were shit. We'd had a poor second half to the previous season as well. There was talk. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/205063/pulis-europe-stokes-aimBeing 8th at New Year in what was by common consent an avarage league, it would have been very odd if there wasnt some giddy talk of Europe? www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/tony-pulis-on-saints-565731.aspxI do have my moments of genius sometimes.
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