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Post by captainmainwaring on Sept 21, 2015 13:10:34 GMT
Love how everyone is forgetting he was absolutely excellent against Leicester at their place and very good in a few other games. I seem to remember a thread on here titled Wollscheid is God. After the weekends fiasco, he deserves a shot at centre back. I've not forgotten how well he played. I'm convinced he's a decent player and should be given a chance to stake his claim. I think the criteria used, by some supporters, to judge him is purely on how he runs "He doesn't run like a footballer" and the way he looks "he looks effeminate" Give the lad a chance please.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 21, 2015 13:10:28 GMT
I am sure he is a lovely bloke, and tall too, but my only concern is whether he is better than those in the team at present at centre back - that we made him our main defensive signing this past summer, yet see him as only our fifth choice in line for that role is a damning indictment of a big signing we got badly wrong. He is no Sonko, and I'd pick him ahead of the Brazilian Collinsinho and Andrew Davies amongst other horror show defensive signings, but he is simply not good enough for where we are and what we need right now. all very fair Jezza but it seems that Super Philip Wolschied is suffering from being labelled a summer signing when in reality, he signed in the January transfer window in what was presented as a loan signing when in reality it was a deferred payment, permanent signing. When you say he isn't good enough for what we need right now I'd be inclined to agree but then again, as I've said on numerous occasions, I've found myself questioning even myself. Has he really let us down? Has he really been as shit as people suggest? Is he really the liability than many say he is? Our results with him have been pretty decent and all in all, despite sometimes looking far from convincing (Sunderland being an obvious game of choice), our results with him in the team have actually been pretty decent.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 21, 2015 13:11:30 GMT
Obviously not, but right now, we could do with a defensive shakeup, wouldn't you agree? I've been saying sit since April mate and all through the window when it was obvious Ryan wasn't right and that we needed to either a. Spend big wages on a short term solution or b. a big transfer fee on a dominant centre back who would be challenging everyone for a starting spot in the side. We did neither. Whether it's arrogance or incompetence within the transfer team I don't know but it was an almighty fuck up. I wish Wollscheid nothing but luck tomorrow night where he can try and restore a bit of confidence but I'm of the opinion that he is exactly not the kind of shake up our defence needs right now. Not even given him a chance. Yet he's written off. Brilliant.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 21, 2015 13:16:04 GMT
I've been saying sit since April mate and all through the window when it was obvious Ryan wasn't right and that we needed to either a. Spend big wages on a short term solution or b. a big transfer fee on a dominant centre back who would be challenging everyone for a starting spot in the side. We did neither. Whether it's arrogance or incompetence within the transfer team I don't know but it was an almighty fuck up. I wish Wollscheid nothing but luck tomorrow night where he can try and restore a bit of confidence but I'm of the opinion that he is exactly not the kind of shake up our defence needs right now. Not even given him a chance. Yet he's written off. Brilliant. But which one is it, it's time to stop the flip flopping. Is he the fifth choice centre half and therefore not a cataclysmic signing (and rightly nowhere near the side) or was he bought as a genuine contender for a start and therefore a poor bit of business as the manager clearly doesn't trust him.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 21, 2015 13:19:44 GMT
I am sure he is a lovely bloke, and tall too, but my only concern is whether he is better than those in the team at present at centre back - that we made him our main defensive signing this past summer, yet see him as only our fifth choice in line for that role is a damning indictment of a big signing we got badly wrong. He is no Sonko, and I'd pick him ahead of the Brazilian Collinsinho and Andrew Davies amongst other horror show defensive signings, but he is simply not good enough for where we are and what we need right now. all very fair Jezza but it seems that Super Philip Wolschied is suffering from being labelled a summer signing when in reality, he signed in the January transfer window in what was presented as a loan signing when in reality it was a deferred payment, permanent signing. When you say he isn't good enough for what we need right now I'd be inclined to agree but then again, as I've said on numerous occasions, I've found myself questioning even myself. Has he really let us down? Has he really been as shit as people suggest? Is he really the liability than many say he is? Our results with him have been pretty decent and all in all, despite sometimes looking far from convincing (Sunderland being an obvious game of choice), our results with him in the team have actually been pretty decent. Like all our other options in the centre of defence, he looked better with Ryan as his partner. Is he terrible? No. Is he the answer to our current defensive woes? Highly doubtful. What is? Ryan's return, definitely, and maybe switching Cameron into midfield to partner Whelan.
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Sept 21, 2015 13:21:38 GMT
Na Na Naa Na Na Na Naa Na Hey Hey Hey Wollscheid!
Hopefully he'll have a good game this week and confidence will pick up, we may need him to step up soon!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 21, 2015 13:24:53 GMT
all very fair Jezza but it seems that Super Philip Wolschied is suffering from being labelled a summer signing when in reality, he signed in the January transfer window in what was presented as a loan signing when in reality it was a deferred payment, permanent signing. When you say he isn't good enough for what we need right now I'd be inclined to agree but then again, as I've said on numerous occasions, I've found myself questioning even myself. Has he really let us down? Has he really been as shit as people suggest? Is he really the liability than many say he is? Our results with him have been pretty decent and all in all, despite sometimes looking far from convincing (Sunderland being an obvious game of choice), our results with him in the team have actually been pretty decent. Like all our other options in the centre of defence, he looked better with Ryan as his partner. Is he terrible? No. Is he the answer to our current defensive woes? Highly doubtful. What is? Ryan's return, definitely, and maybe switching Cameron into midfield to partner Whelan. You see, I think the polor opposite. He looked worse alongside Ryan than he did with anyone else. In fact, when he partnered Ryan, he actually looked the more comfortable of the two, though granted Ryan was struggling with injury at that point. For me, Wooly's best performances came alongside Wilson. Some good ones with Muniesa as well to be fair but the Blackburn and Man City drubbings perhaps cloud that view a little. Cameron in midfield I can understand but it would only be a sticking plaster. Geoff would have 2 good games before returning to his normal very average self. Cameron in midfield, I fear, after those initial games, would be like watching Dean Whitehead all over again. I also think that Van Ginkel will go on to show us what an excellent player he is. I've seen more glimpses of his ability than I have of Shaqiri's for example yet everyone is seemingly willing to be patient with one but not the other.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 21, 2015 13:25:43 GMT
People desperate for him to be given another chance at the top level really should direct their ire toward Mark Hughes rather than other supporters. Although I really should do, I don't pick the side! Hughes has obviously lost a large degree of trust in him.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 21, 2015 13:36:25 GMT
all very fair Jezza but it seems that Super Philip Wolschied is suffering from being labelled a summer signing when in reality, he signed in the January transfer window in what was presented as a loan signing when in reality it was a deferred payment, permanent signing. When you say he isn't good enough for what we need right now I'd be inclined to agree but then again, as I've said on numerous occasions, I've found myself questioning even myself. Has he really let us down? Has he really been as shit as people suggest? Is he really the liability than many say he is? Our results with him have been pretty decent and all in all, despite sometimes looking far from convincing (Sunderland being an obvious game of choice), our results with him in the team have actually been pretty decent. Like all our other options in the centre of defence, he looked better with Ryan as his partner. Is he terrible? No. Is he the answer to our current defensive woes? Highly doubtful. What is? Ryan's return, definitely, and maybe switching Cameron into midfield to partner Whelan. Always thought Wollscheid and Shawcross looked pretty uncomfortable together. {Whether some of that was down to Ryan's back issues at the time I'm not sure.} I think Wollscheid and Wilson looked a decent pairing. I'd rather see a bit of stability in the back line at the moment, that 'intuitive/telepathy' needs game time to develop. Two issues for me with Philip: getting used to the pace of our game, and looking a bit suspect at times when bringing it from the back and getting caught out when doing a turn {like against Sunderland}. Both coachable, and I suspect he's getting that and perhaps some weight training too.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 21, 2015 13:56:28 GMT
I see the bloke arrive every home game and he's always on his own and never ever mixes with the other players like all the others do.It reminds me of when Kitsom used to turn up on his jack Jones and he was also a loner.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 14:00:19 GMT
Love how everyone is forgetting he was absolutely excellent against Leicester at their place and very good in a few other games. I seem to remember a thread on here titled Wollscheid is God. After the weekends fiasco, he deserves a shot at centre back. I've not forgotten how well he played. I'm convinced he's a decent player and should be given a chance to stake his claim. I think the criteria used, by some supporters, to judge him is purely on how he runs "He doesn't run like a footballer" and the way he looks "he looks effeminate" Give the lad a chance please. This.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 14:03:34 GMT
Like all our other options in the centre of defence, he looked better with Ryan as his partner. Is he terrible? No. Is he the answer to our current defensive woes? Highly doubtful. What is? Ryan's return, definitely, and maybe switching Cameron into midfield to partner Whelan. Always thought Wollscheid and Shawcross looked pretty uncomfortable together. {Whether some of that was down to Ryan's back issues at the time I'm not sure.} I think Wollscheid and Wilson looked a decent pairing. I'd rather see a bit of stability in the back line at the moment, that 'intuitive/telepathy' needs game time to develop. Two issues for me with Philip: getting used to the pace of our game, and looking a bit suspect at times when bringing it from the back and getting caught out when doing a turn {like against Sunderland}. Both coachable, and I suspect he's getting that and perhaps some weight training too. Weight training how lightweight is he, if he piles on some weight will it make him quicker, he's hardly a youngster either still you may be correct but if the manager who bought him and sees him training every day does not trust him well what conclusion do you draw from that ?, as I have said it is not Wolfy's fault, I have nothing against him personally I have never even met the bloke.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 21, 2015 14:06:39 GMT
I see the bloke arrive every home game and he's always on his own and never ever mixes with the other players like all the others do.It reminds me of when Kitsom used to turn up on his jack Jones and he was also a loner. I thought exactly the same thing on Saturday, even to the extent of it reminding me of Kitson.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 14:06:52 GMT
I see the bloke arrive every home game and he's always on his own and never ever mixes with the other players like all the others do.It reminds me of when Kitsom used to turn up on his jack Jones and he was also a loner. I was starting to feel sorry for him then you mentioned fucking Kitson I knew it would be his fault.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 21, 2015 14:07:15 GMT
I see the bloke arrive every home game and he's always on his own and never ever mixes with the other players like all the others do.It reminds me of when Kitsom used to turn up on his jack Jones and he was also a loner. I thought exactly the same thing on Saturday, even to the extent of it reminding me of Kitson. Great minds think alike mate :-)
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 14:08:52 GMT
I see the bloke arrive every home game and he's always on his own and never ever mixes with the other players like all the others do.It reminds me of when Kitsom used to turn up on his jack Jones and he was also a loner. I thought exactly the same thing on Saturday, even to the extent of it reminding me of Kitson. Perhaps he needed a companion to help mentor him, teach him how to adapt to prem. football a fellow countryman oh fuck we sold him.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 21, 2015 14:13:12 GMT
New Song for Big Phil. I think I'm going to change my username in the big guy's honour and make him my favourite Stoke player with immediate effect. I stood next to him on Saturday and I can tell you that he is an absolute giant, rock solid in stature and now primed to show us just how good he is! De de Der, Super Philip Wolschied! Pity he's no good at football though!
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 14:19:47 GMT
I see the bloke arrive every home game and he's always on his own and never ever mixes with the other players like all the others do.It reminds me of when Kitsom used to turn up on his jack Jones and he was also a loner. I thought exactly the same thing on Saturday, even to the extent of it reminding me of Kitson. Hope you told him to take that ginger fuckin wig off then.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 21, 2015 14:25:30 GMT
He is the best 5th choice CB we have ever spent £3M on. What is Agent Sonko up to these days...'tearing it up' at Beddlington Terriers or Dymchurch United or something...???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 14:26:53 GMT
What is Agent Sonko up to these days...'tearing it up' at Beddlington Terriers or Dymchurch United or something...??? Harlow Town.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 21, 2015 14:31:11 GMT
What is Agent Sonko up to these days...'tearing it up' at Beddlington Terriers or Dymchurch United or something...??? Harlow Town. The cows in the next field better take cover then !! LLLLLLLLLLLAUNCH ONE OVER THE STAND !!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 21, 2015 14:53:51 GMT
Always thought Wollscheid and Shawcross looked pretty uncomfortable together. {Whether some of that was down to Ryan's back issues at the time I'm not sure.} I think Wollscheid and Wilson looked a decent pairing. I'd rather see a bit of stability in the back line at the moment, that 'intuitive/telepathy' needs game time to develop. Two issues for me with Philip: getting used to the pace of our game, and looking a bit suspect at times when bringing it from the back and getting caught out when doing a turn {like against Sunderland}. Both coachable, and I suspect he's getting that and perhaps some weight training too. Weight training how lightweight is he, if he piles on some weight will it make him quicker, he's hardly a youngster either still you may be correct but if the manager who bought him and sees him training every day does not trust him well what conclusion do you draw from that ?, as I have said it is not Wolfy's fault, I have nothing against him personally I have never even met the bloke. Well mate I'm offering an opinion on what I've seen and am trying to remain positive about the early potential he showed. Whereas despite you obviously softening your words towards Wolfy {or whatever}, after slating him at a pretty petty personal level every day for six months, and are now swinging your Bile Howitzer towards Hughes and co, I still get an over riding sense that you really don't want it to work out for him. I'd rather read into him not starting yet as reflecting the fact it's a squad game, rather than him being shite and Hughes already regrets buying him. We'll see.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 21, 2015 15:01:11 GMT
People desperate for him to be given another chance at the top level really should direct their ire toward Mark Hughes rather than other supporters. Although I really should do, I don't pick the side! Hughes has obviously lost a large degree of trust in him. Or he'd love to if we were near the top, but knows the fans are questioning him and he can't really risk him at the moment.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 15:07:23 GMT
Weight training how lightweight is he, if he piles on some weight will it make him quicker, he's hardly a youngster either still you may be correct but if the manager who bought him and sees him training every day does not trust him well what conclusion do you draw from that ?, as I have said it is not Wolfy's fault, I have nothing against him personally I have never even met the bloke. Well mate I'm offering an opinion on what I've seen and am trying to remain positive about the early potential he showed. Whereas despite you obviously softening your words towards Wolfy {or whatever}, after slating him at a pretty petty personal level every day for six months, and are now swinging your Bile Howitzer towards Hughes and co, I still get an over riding sense that you really don't want it to work out for him. I'd rather read into him not starting yet as reflecting the fact it's a squad game, rather than him being shite and Hughes already regrets buying him. We'll see. Why would I not want it to work out for him ?, he has been set up to fail by the manager not me you or anyone else, he has to play him or he will never improve maybe that will give him the confidence to fulfill his potential, sitting on the bench when Hughes plays makeshift CB's ahead of you has to be undermining his confidence, we are six games in struggling at CB and he has not started one league game.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Sept 21, 2015 15:09:33 GMT
The whole sorry story is bloody baffling if you ask me.
Comes on loan, doesn't entirely convince, we buy him and I think ok, maybe there's more to come - maybe Hughes sees something I don't.
Then we struggle from having a solid back four, particularly CB and he doesn't start a single match.
Odd in the extreme.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 21, 2015 15:31:30 GMT
Well mate I'm offering an opinion on what I've seen and am trying to remain positive about the early potential he showed. Whereas despite you obviously softening your words towards Wolfy {or whatever}, after slating him at a pretty petty personal level every day for six months, and are now swinging your Bile Howitzer towards Hughes and co, I still get an over riding sense that you really don't want it to work out for him. I'd rather read into him not starting yet as reflecting the fact it's a squad game, rather than him being shite and Hughes already regrets buying him. We'll see. Why would I not want it to work out for him ?, he has been set up to fail by the manager not me you or anyone else, he has to play him or he will never improve maybe that will give him the confidence to fulfill his potential, sitting on the bench when Hughes plays makeshift CB's ahead of you has to be undermining his confidence, we are six games in struggling at CB and he has not started one league game. I have no idea why you wouldn't want it to work out for him. Fortunately I can only read your words, not your mind. You've been the main name caller and detractor hour in hour out on here for what seems like an age. It's tiresome, I just wish you'd leave it out until you've got summat better to hang your hat on. I don't think it would have been wise to start the season with Wollscheid and Muniesa as the centre back pairing. Neither have the experience and Muniesa missed loads of last season with injury. Seems like Hughes has prioritised/concentrated on integrating Muniesa and sought to pair him with someone with more experience, I'm sure there would have been uproar if he'd tried to integrate Philip and Muniesa at the same time. Wilson has been injured, so Geoff was that 'experience'. It's not indicative of him writing off Wollscheid, just true to Hughes' modus of trying things out early season. I reckon. I'm prepared to see how it pans out. I'd prefer stability at the back to build those crucial relationships, but equally until Ryan is ready {which according to Bowen is 'some way off'} I wouldn't be against Wollscheid and Wilson as the CB pairing.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 21, 2015 16:30:09 GMT
The automatic trigger of a permanent deal is the only thing that makes any sense, but I'm surprised Wolly was up for it as the writing was arguably on the wall by May
There were periods towards the end of last season where it looked like Hughes was stubbornly backing his man, despite some..er...interesting performances. It did appear he was giving him every chance to win him over as if he had some kind of decision to make.
Suppose we may find out the truth at some stage.
But the fact he's only above Tex in Hughes' thinking does say it all and the back and forth on here is irrelevant.
Hughes clearly doesn't rate him at all. I'd be looking to get rid ASAP, even if it takes a Bundesliga loan in January.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 21, 2015 16:33:42 GMT
The automatic trigger of a permanent deal is the only thing that makes any sense, but I'm surprised Wolly was up for it as the writing was arguably on the wall by May There were periods towards the end of last season where it looked like Hughes was stubbornly backing his man, despite some..er...interesting performances. It did appear he was giving him every chance to win him over as if he had some kind of decision to make. Suppose we may find out the truth at some stage. But the fact he's only above Tex in Hughes' thinking does say it all and the back and forth on here is irrelevant. Hughes clearly doesn't rate him at all. I'd be looking to get rid ASAP, even if it takes a Bundesliga loan in January. I'm all but certain we rushed the deal through as a loan to get him in the squad for that Arsenal game but it was always going to be a permanent deal.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 21, 2015 16:48:09 GMT
The automatic trigger of a permanent deal is the only thing that makes any sense, but I'm surprised Wolly was up for it as the writing was arguably on the wall by May There were periods towards the end of last season where it looked like Hughes was stubbornly backing his man, despite some..er...interesting performances. It did appear he was giving him every chance to win him over as if he had some kind of decision to make. Suppose we may find out the truth at some stage. But the fact he's only above Tex in Hughes' thinking does say it all and the back and forth on here is irrelevant. Hughes clearly doesn't rate him at all. I'd be looking to get rid ASAP, even if it takes a Bundesliga loan in January. I'm all but certain we rushed the deal through as a loan to get him in the squad for that Arsenal game but it was always going to be a permanent deal. Yeah - can't really remember the timing of it,Jamo. But you could be right. Nothing wrong with going into the bargain basement trying to be super cute now and again. But if you do it more or less every time you're going to get your fingers burnt from time to time.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 21, 2015 17:11:01 GMT
The automatic trigger of a permanent deal is the only thing that makes any sense, but I'm surprised Wolly was up for it as the writing was arguably on the wall by May There were periods towards the end of last season where it looked like Hughes was stubbornly backing his man, despite some..er...interesting performances. It did appear he was giving him every chance to win him over as if he had some kind of decision to make. Suppose we may find out the truth at some stage. But the fact he's only above Tex in Hughes' thinking does say it all and the back and forth on here is irrelevant. Hughes clearly doesn't rate him at all. I'd be looking to get rid ASAP, even if it takes a Bundesliga loan in January. I'm all but certain we rushed the deal through as a loan to get him in the squad for that Arsenal game but it was always going to be a permanent deal. What a great piece of business if true, who scouted him prior to this bizarre deal Stevie Wonder.
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