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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 12, 2015 16:02:40 GMT
Couldn't be more opposite to Nzonzi. Looks scared to get on the ball, never ever offering from the centre backs meaning they lump it up the field hopelessly. Then on the rare occasion he actually gets the ball he either does the simplest pass available or gives the ball away. Only Bardsley and Pieters had a lower pass success rate today which was down to the fact they were constantly hoofing it because he wasn't available. Praying Hughes is starting to realise he is shit and we need a centre midfielder in January.
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Post by Bombus on Sept 12, 2015 16:04:59 GMT
Thought he played well today to be honest.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 12, 2015 16:05:51 GMT
Have to agree very very poor - borderline useless
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 12, 2015 16:07:21 GMT
Thought he played well today to be honest. Praying you didn't watch the match. What exactly did he do well?
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Post by nutterpotter on Sept 12, 2015 16:08:42 GMT
Is it just me, or does anyone else never notice him in games?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 12, 2015 16:09:22 GMT
The invisible man
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Post by greystokie on Sept 12, 2015 16:10:10 GMT
Is it just me, or does anyone else never notice him in games? I noticed him giving the ball away a lot!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 16:09:46 GMT
From what I've seen of him , I think he has been very very poor .
I would not play him .
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Post by tuum on Sept 12, 2015 16:10:15 GMT
Is it just me, or does anyone else never notice him in games? You are not alone.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 12, 2015 16:10:56 GMT
What options do we have till January? Has to be Adam surely? Cameron isn't good enough there and Sidwell is possibly even worse than Van Ginkel.
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Post by heathen on Sept 12, 2015 16:11:14 GMT
No players anywhere with presence. Weak in attack, midfield and defence. Butland brilliant. Van Ginkel was a ghost.
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Post by stokecitydom on Sept 12, 2015 16:11:54 GMT
I'm just not sure what he is. He doesn't seem to offer an awful lot.
He doesn't put his foot in, he doesn't keep the ball well, he doesn't drive us forward. Just abit puzzled by him at the minute.
There must be a decent player in there somewhere, so time will tell. But for now I'm underwhelmed & think he's lucky to be starting.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 12, 2015 16:12:13 GMT
Time to move Geoff into midfield and bring Wolly or Wilson in. He needs time but at the same time, we need points.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 12, 2015 16:14:07 GMT
Think he has been a weak link in every game, and he needs to improve quickly or be replaced!
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 12, 2015 16:17:18 GMT
This video is from when Nzonzi supposedly 'only went backwards' in a game similar to today where the rest of the side were useless too. He is always near the play offering for the ball, MVG just does not do it at all. Without a centre midfielder linking the defense and midfield you're back to playing Pulisball
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2015 16:19:01 GMT
Struggling to put my finger on what it is exactly that he's supposed to be offering.
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Post by Jimm on Sept 12, 2015 16:20:25 GMT
He's not good enough for the premier league.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 12, 2015 16:22:34 GMT
Scared of the ball is a good description. We needed a battler in there today against Arsenal so I couldnt believe we started with him to be honest.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 12, 2015 16:25:06 GMT
Didn't even see him do anything today
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Post by hchpotter on Sept 12, 2015 16:27:51 GMT
Van Ginkel, Bardsley, Affelay, Joselu. Too many signings not working out.
Shaqiri and Bojan need to click soon and Arnie needs to put a consistent run together.
And we need to learn how to defend again.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 12, 2015 16:28:14 GMT
Cameron centre midfield and Wilson in for me.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 12, 2015 16:30:46 GMT
Cameron centre midfield and Wilson in for me. A few have been calling for this Bunny, out with some of the new and in with some of the old. Van Ginkel is offering nothing and hes not even our player. I fail to see how or when he is going to come good. He has some ability and engine but we need someone in the middle to put their stamp on the game. Whilst Whelan was having a stinker next to him, he needed to step up but didnt
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 12, 2015 16:34:03 GMT
Or even Muniesa....
Problem today was that with the ball we were shocking. Defending starts with keeping the ball when you have it and our central midfield were a shambles. Not singling them out, but when the two shielders are playing that poorly you have no hope of winning.
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Post by chad on Sept 12, 2015 16:36:30 GMT
He's not good enough for the premier league. This. Not seen the guy look remotely like he can hack it. The rumour about paying Chelsea if he doesn't play is very worrying. He must NOT start next week
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 12, 2015 16:44:29 GMT
Thought he played well today to be honest. He wasn't as bad as some are making out that's for sure.
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Post by stokemark on Sept 12, 2015 17:02:41 GMT
That will be the Van Ginkel who we have to pay Chelsea a reported £60k
Horrible business by Stoke. If we had properly replaced Nzonzi as we should have given its such a key position.
And we could also have reloaded Moses !!!
Clubs like Swansea and Southampton have done a good job replacing like for like when they had to sell - we have massively fucked up here
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2015 17:03:28 GMT
That will be the Van Ginkel who we have to pay Chelsea a reported £60k Horrible business by Stoke. If we had properly replaced Nzonzi as we should have given its such a key position. And we could also have reloaded Moses !!! Clubs like Swansea and Southampton have done a good job replacing like for like when they had to sell - we have massively fucked up here Moses didn't want to come.
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Post by liathroid on Sept 12, 2015 17:04:58 GMT
1st goal was a simple over the top ball ,not cut out
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 12, 2015 17:06:41 GMT
FFS we had this last year with Bojan. Will we ever just give somebody till at least Christmas before writing them off. If he was our player no doubt somebody would have suggested fucking him off to Barnsley for the rest of the season.
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 12, 2015 17:06:46 GMT
I think Rip Van Winkle has turned up instead.
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