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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 17:06:51 GMT
Thought he played well today to be honest. No one played well today bar Butland
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 12, 2015 17:10:08 GMT
That will be the Van Ginkel who we have to pay Chelsea a reported £60k Horrible business by Stoke. If we had properly replaced Nzonzi as we should have given its such a key position. And we could also have reloaded Moses !!! Clubs like Swansea and Southampton have done a good job replacing like for like when they had to sell - we have massively fucked up here But the thing is Hughes believes that we HAVE replaced N'Zonzi properly ... With Van Ginkel. He tried to sign him before he went to Chelsea, this is the player that he WANTED and the player that he CHOSE.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 12, 2015 17:12:45 GMT
FFS we had this last year with Bojan. Will we ever just give somebody till at least Christmas before writing them off. If he was our player no doubt somebody would have suggested fucking him off to Barnsley for the rest of the season. Bojan was wrote off after an appearance against Villa, and two sub appearances against Hull and Leicester. Yes too early, but I saw glimpses that he would come good and he did. There's not being used to the league then there's just players that are not good enough. MVG is the latter, I've not seen one thing in 5 games to suggest he's any good whatsoever
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 12, 2015 17:19:47 GMT
FFS we had this last year with Bojan. Will we ever just give somebody till at least Christmas before writing them off. If he was our player no doubt somebody would have suggested fucking him off to Barnsley for the rest of the season. Bojan was wrote off after an appearance against Villa, and two sub appearances against Hull and Leicester. Yes too early, but I saw glimpses that he would come good and he did. There's not being used to the league then there's just players that are not good enough. MVG is the latter, I've not seen one thing in 5 games to suggest he's any good whatsoever 5 games isn't long enough though is it? Obviously this guy is taking the fall for the fact that he isn't having the same impact as N'Zonzi had last season. When the team has gelled and Hughes knows his best team if this guy still looks shit then I might agree but I'm not writing anybody off after 5 games.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 12, 2015 17:21:00 GMT
FFS we had this last year with Bojan. Will we ever just give somebody till at least Christmas before writing them off. If he was our player no doubt somebody would have suggested fucking him off to Barnsley for the rest of the season. I think Bojan was different both in position and circumstances given his injury problems he had missed a lot of football MVG was allegedly playing for Milan last season and of all the positions where you have to compete physically it's where he plays . He may have it in him but I'm not sure we can carry him at the moment , we need points and players who will compete
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 12, 2015 17:30:46 GMT
He has looked very poor so far.
Let's all hope he improves very soon.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 12, 2015 17:53:15 GMT
FFS we had this last year with Bojan. Will we ever just give somebody till at least Christmas before writing them off. If he was our player no doubt somebody would have suggested fucking him off to Barnsley for the rest of the season. I think Bojan was different both in position and circumstances given his injury problems he had missed a lot of football MVG was allegedly playing for Milan last season and of all the positions where you have to compete physically it's where he plays . He may have it in him but I'm not sure we can carry him at the moment , we need points and players who will compete Van Ginkel has missed a lot of football as well though he missed most of Milan's season I believe. I thought he looked very good against WBA.
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Post by boweryboy on Sept 12, 2015 17:54:17 GMT
I know it's early days but we can't keep making excuses for our performances when we look nothing like a team that is used to playing together.......
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Post by stantheman on Sept 12, 2015 18:07:37 GMT
This is the biggest worry of all. No presence in the middle of the park and Whelan is having to do the job of 2 men. We took a gamble on a young loan player with little Prem experience, and it hasn't paid off. Do we keep faith or try GCam & Whelan?
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Post by fca47 on Sept 12, 2015 18:07:25 GMT
He seems to be a player who is doing nothing very well, defensive part of his game is poor, leaving Whelan with too much to do, but not really offering anything going forward.
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Post by stokemark on Sept 12, 2015 18:22:24 GMT
That will be the Van Ginkel who we have to pay Chelsea a reported £60k Horrible business by Stoke. If we had properly replaced Nzonzi as we should have given its such a key position. And we could also have reloaded Moses !!! Clubs like Swansea and Southampton have done a good job replacing like for like when they had to sell - we have massively fucked up here But the thing is Hughes believes that we HAVE replaced N'Zonzi properly ... With Van Ginkel. He tried to sign him before he went to Chelsea, this is the player that he WANTED and the player that he CHOSE. How can you replace him with a player who is on loan ? Bojan is a different story as his position allows a certain period of grace the job VG has means he has to perform immediately. A replacement would have been an established player who would have most likely cost a lot of money - therein lies the root of this particular issue
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Post by ladsinredandwhite on Sept 12, 2015 18:54:15 GMT
I hope we send him back Chelsea in January. He's a toothless excuse of a player. No desire or passion in him, or some of the other lads, I'd go as far to say that he is almost as bad a Sidwell.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 12, 2015 18:55:51 GMT
Do we have time to wait for him? I really don't think so! ![O_o](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cGxK1LQ3mbwGz59PPCrG.gif)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 12, 2015 18:58:13 GMT
But the thing is Hughes believes that we HAVE replaced N'Zonzi properly ... With Van Ginkel. He tried to sign him before he went to Chelsea, this is the player that he WANTED and the player that he CHOSE. How can you replace him with a player who is on loan ? Bojan is a different story as his position allows a certain period of grace the job VG has means he has to perform immediately. A replacement would have been an established player who would have most likely cost a lot of money - therein lies the root of this particular issue
You better ask Mark Hughes that question.
I can only assume that Hughes believes that he's got a better than even chance of making him a permanent signing come the end of his loan period.
However be under no illusion that this is the option that Mark Hughes has chosen to make.
Do you seriously think that if Hughes had identified a player costing (say) £15 million to replace N'Zonzi, then Coates wouldn't have sanctioned that purchase?
This one is clearly on Hughes, he wasn't pushed into making the decision to replace N'Zonzi in the manner that he has.
Either his decision to do it this way will be proved to be a good decision or a bad decision but whatever the outcome, the decision is and ultimately will be Mark Hughes' decision alone.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Sept 12, 2015 18:59:44 GMT
Absolutely not worth a place. Hughes cannot keep playing him based on performances to date, whatever the financial implications (which out of interest I can't believe anyone at Stoke would agree to pay if he doesn't play). And as for the comment about wait till Xmas before writing him off, we can't afford to keep playing him till he comes good, we need some points. He can "learn" how to play in the junior teams.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 12, 2015 19:18:03 GMT
Stephen Ireland should have been given Zonzi's role, 5 games into the season and I still can't see a better alternative.
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Post by Bombus on Sept 13, 2015 6:40:40 GMT
Thought he played well today to be honest. No one played well today bar Butland Butland was outstanding yesterday. Outstanding. Pieters, Cameron and Van Ginkel played well.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 13, 2015 11:28:56 GMT
I was stunned to learn that at 7.3 miles covered, he ran a full mile further than any other Stoke player and more than anyone on the pitch.
That's a lot of distance to create pretty much fuck all and he offers no defensive shield either.
I don't know what position he plays or what he's supposed to be doing.
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Post by potterblade on Sept 13, 2015 11:51:28 GMT
MVG wasn't bad at all yesterday in possession and distribution. Created sensible passes at every opportunity when I was watching. Whelan was a fucking liability by comparison.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 13, 2015 11:55:24 GMT
I was stunned to learn that at 7.3 miles covered, he ran a full mile further than any other Stoke player and more than anyone on the pitch. That's a lot of distance to create pretty much fuck all and he offers no defensive shield either. I don't know what position he plays or what he's supposed to be doing. Running about a lot is what he is doing and pretty much nothing else.
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 13, 2015 11:58:43 GMT
He was decent again yesterday, certainly a lot better than Whelan played. Obviously i'm not saying drop Whelan but i don't think Van Ginkel was bad.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 13, 2015 12:08:45 GMT
There seems to be a large division in the opinion of MVG's performance yesterday on this thread.
Against WBA I thought he played well and did his fair share of a 9 man team to hold out, but let's face it WBA were pretty useless.
Yesterday was a step back for me; he was largely anonymous and I only remember him passing the ball badly. No doubt he is playing to instruction but he seems too far up the pitch to me. The GK and backline only seemed to have an option to pass to each other or hoof a long ball, very little seems to go through him.
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Post by hchpotter on Sept 13, 2015 12:10:38 GMT
To be fair to MVG he has been given the pivotal role in the team but is playing in front of a disorganised defence and behind an ever changing midfield. A more experienced player might cope but he's really been thrown in at the deep end.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 13, 2015 12:14:32 GMT
He was decent again yesterday, certainly a lot better than Whelan played. Obviously i'm not saying drop Whelan but i don't think Van Ginkel was bad. Right so we look very weak in midfield but we don't drop Whelan, VG is a lot better than Whelan, what do you propose we do because what we are doing at the moment is shit.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 13, 2015 12:16:46 GMT
To be fair to MVG he has been given the pivotal role in the team but is playing in front of a disorganised defence and behind an ever changing midfield. A more experienced player might cope but he's really been thrown in at the deep end. With no rubber ring or armbands and is sinking like a lead weight.
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